Like I said third time, there is already a solution:
1) Like on EU, they are forced to open up third party App Stores
2) Like MacOS, directly install apps from downloaded source.
There is no need to come up "other way".
End of discussion.
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Court Rejects Apple's Emergency Motion to Pause App Store Rule Changes
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Like I said third time, there is already a solution:
1) Like on EU, they are forced to open up third party App Stores
2) Like MacOS, directly install apps from downloaded source.
There is no need to come up "other way".
End of discussion.
That "solution" doesn't work for Apple.
You're failing to explain how it's ok for Sony to do it their way. You're applying one standard to Sony and another to Apple.
You can keep repeating the same thing over and over, but at some point you need to explain the logic behind Sony's model.
Unless I am mistaken, games sold on discs / cartridges still need to be approved by either Sony or Nintendo, and developers still pay these companies their cut. Users are still not able to access software they otherwise are not allowed to, and there is no way for a developer to keep more of their revenue earnings.
At best, it sounds like a justification for Apple to be allowed to still collect a cut of revenue from apps that are either sideloaded or sold via third party app stores, if we want to make that comparison.
This is correct.
All new Playstation games sold through Best Buy/Amazon/etc...still pays Sony a cut.
And there's rumors that the next Playstation will not have a disc drive at all. Yet somehow, @Aoligei is ok with this, despite it being the same exact model that Apple is doing today.
Just because someone can, doesn’t mean it is right. That is the whole point for this, isn’t it.
So you agree, Sony and Microsoft should have the same laws applied to them.
Sounds like we reached an obvious conclusion. Have a good one.
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The 30% cut and the app store model predates Apple (I believe Nintendo did it first). If so many people have an issue with this, you would think there is more of a pushback against this by now, yet it’s been allowed to exist for 3 decades with nary a whisper or whimper.
Yet only Apple is getting pushback against this. Because it’s easier to go after them than a company like Nintendo, I suppose. The latter would probably just kick all third party apps off their platform and let the switch run only their first party games if push came to shove, I suspect.
How about if eBay and indeed Amazon due to their high market prominence were forced to list third party products and services and allow third party payments systems as well?
It is not much different.
In fact, Apple has to do a lot more work to supply its service than eBay and Amazon do.
Like the Apple App Store, eBay and Amazon effectively created the concept of their platforms. They are not penalised so far for their pioneering work.
It is not much different.
In fact, Apple has to do a lot more work to supply its service than eBay and Amazon do.
Like the Apple App Store, eBay and Amazon effectively created the concept of their platforms. They are not penalised so far for their pioneering work.
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Exactly right.
Apple has continually tried to change the narrative on all this to keep extracting unjustified rents.
“Unjustified rents”
Like giving away Apple Maps to all third party devs for free while google maps charge the same devs tens of thousands of dollars per month?
You can charge for a good product, conversely, to compete you can give away a B tier product to gain against an incumbent. Apple would charge for their map data if they could
If you or someone has issue with Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, they can do the same thing.
1) sue them, let court decides
2) become law maker and make a law.
Now, the court decided Apple need to allow third party payments, there is nothing unfair about it.
Apple give staff away for free when they are underdogs, just like they constantly giving away Apple TV+ or Apple Music subscription.
Apple give away Apple Maps to third party dev because their map, comparable to Google Map, still uncompetitive. If the role switched, Apple will charge developers thousand of dollar per month.
There are other way for application distributions predate Apple's App Store model. Why aren't Apple choose what they did on Mac, allows people install Applications as they want?
Apple is being target because they have bigger market power than Nintendo, their market power on mobile devices is unparalleled, therefore, they were targeted.
And it isn't just Apple being targeted. Google is also being targeted for the something(30% cut on its Play Store), its dominate power with Google Chrome etc.
This is a great post about this over on The Verge comments for their article about it.
The poster is right on.
It's time for Apple to pivot to instead competing for customers/developers to use their App Store over alternatives.
That will ultimately benefit everyone, including Apple over the long term.
The poster is right on.
It's time for Apple to pivot to instead competing for customers/developers to use their App Store over alternatives.
That will ultimately benefit everyone, including Apple over the long term.
Did you forget Epic Games v. Google?
Charging them a 30% fee isn't charging them more than most developers who don't pay anything, or who only pay 15%?
Both cases involve anti-competitive control of their respective application storefronts, and the Google case settlement (which is currently pending appeal) includes anti-steering provisions, which is the crux of the Apple case.
And this right here ladies and gentlemen is called " THE GREAT AMAZING TIM APPLE LIE."
Apple hardware and developer accounts to make the software are free? News to me 😁
But sure..its only 99 bucks 😁😁😁😁😁
I feel good about it every time I buy a book on the Kindle app now that there is no reason for Amazon to not allow it. I love Apple, but e-reader apps are much better to use on the iPad now and Apple did nothing special to deserve 30% of the money from an ebook.
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The infrastructure they get is being listed on the App Store. That's it. What else are they getting that's not against their will? Apple payment processing? Subpar search surfacing (unless you pay a ton of money for promoted search placement)?
Let's not forget that Apple also benefits from having an app store full of popular apps. This is a symbiotic relationship that Apple has continued to not respect.
Even worse, you end up having to pay Apple for Search ads just so you can rank near the top for your own product name.
It’s completely corrupt