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It's great that you get to choose the universe of videos you deem are modified, which are essentially those that don't fit your narrative.
Does a company's internal auditor audit its financial statements?No.An external auditor is appointed because the former is not only biased but is also in a position to influence the statements. Watching "EverythingApplePro" 's videos is like a company auditing its own results.Basic logic. Hence I dont watch fan videos on the products they are a fan of.

In other news,Everything Apple Pro just spent over 5000 dollars a few days ago buying an iPhone 2G to swoon over it and I am supposed to believe this guy's "unbiased" Samsung vs Apple tests
 
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In other news,Everything Apple Pro just spent over 5000 dollars a few days ago buying an iPhone 2G to swoon over it and I am supposed to believe this guy's "unbiased" Samsung vs Apple tests
Wasted $5,000 you mean. He got scammed.

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Does a company's internal auditor audit its financial statements?No.An external auditor is appointed because the former is not only biased but is also in a position to influence the statements. Watching "EverythingApplePro" 's videos is like a company auditing its own results.Basic logic. Hence I dont watch fan videos on the products they are a fan of.

In other news,Everything Apple Pro just spent over 5000 dollars a few days ago buying an iPhone 2G to swoon over it and I am supposed to believe this guy's "unbiased" Samsung vs Apple tests
These are youtube videos, of which some you are outright saying they altered the video to suit some agenda. But I agree there sometimes is a bit of an agenda here on all sides. There is no basic logic on this.
 
So basically the big monied companies or a j/b App Store. Universities can get an installation certificate. The way the App Store works today actually levels the playing field.

this will take years to come to a conclusion.

Possibly. Still I feel it would be an improvement. More than a few times I run into an app that becomes a common use for me only to find Apple has removed it. Some show back up later as a mediocre version baked into the OS.
Just a thought, I bet if Cydia could offer non-JB apps from their own store it wouldn't surprise if they would.
 
This is absurd. Those of you that think this is good have lost your minds. Help lower prices of apps?? These people want to get paid to use apps now?

I know I'm going to get roasted for this, but here goes anyway....

Free! Pay me because I'm special! I deserve everything handed to me on a plate!

The mating call of Millennials. Why is anyone surprised?
 
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If they choose not to go through the AppStore cause they think 30% is a lot especially if you offer subscription service where do they publish it?
Have a look at what's happened in China with rookie going to third party stores on android.
 
Possibly. Still I feel it would be an improvement. More than a few times I run into an app that becomes a common use for me only to find Apple has removed it. Some show back up later as a mediocre version baked into the OS.
Just a thought, I bet if Cydia could offer non-JB apps from their own store it wouldn't surprise if they would.
There's the competition thing, which I'm not fond of, and then there is the entire unsupported API thing. That's a bigger issue for devs that may use unsupported APIs, in a theoretical app store outside of apple. Apple changes that API or renders it useless, results in a non-working app. Some of the apps have used unsupported apis in the past.
 
Huh? The majority of apps on the App Store are NOT Apple apps and Apple doesn't set the price for them.

Apple has a monopoly on where they can sell their apps and a monopoly on who can distribute their apps. How many developers have not been allowed to distribute their apps, period.

I think the problem is, is that few people understand monopoly or antitrust. No, I did not make the laws, I just know how this one works. Don't like it then try to get rid of it. There ARE problems though if you do away with the antitrust laws.

The problems with it is that nobody would be able to make pods for another companies coffee maker unless that company sold them through the manufacture of the coffeemakers store. Nobody would be able to buy tires for their car except from the company that sold the car and companies they ALLOWED to sell in their store. You would have to go to a car dealer to buy gas and only those they allowed to sell THERE would be able to sell at all. You buy a new house and you would have to buy the furniture, fixtures, everything through the company that built it for life no matter who owns it. Get the picture?

The examples i named do not have to be manufactured by the company that built the coffee maker, car, house but you have to buy from them and only those allowed to sell at their location could sell. The company that made the coffee maker, car, house WOULD get 30% profits off the top. The company that made the house would get 30% profit when you buy a couch.

Careful what you wish for, worship of one company can lead to changing the laws for all companies.
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Perhaps the best analogy is that you can only buy a new Ford vehicle at a Ford dealership. Try as you might, you cannot buy one from Ford or from anyone else. If you don't like it, buy a Chevy. Franchise laws like this have withstood antitrust scrutiny for over 100 years. Do not see a discernible difference in how applications are served up vary from that model.

Bad example. With antitrust laws done away with you could have to buy everything you put on or in a ford OR chevy from ford or chevy and they only allow those they want to sell at their store. THAT is apples to apples.

I know you can put different cases on iphones right now but do away with antitrust laws and they could shut down anyone making a case that fits iphones. Antitrust laws are what allow different companies make iphone cases and sell them without having to sell them exclusively at apple's store. It would be EXACTLY like the app store.

I am not going to argue over it though, its just how it works and while the laws are on the books it's for courts to decide whether anyone likes it or not.
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There's the competition thing, which I'm not fond of, and then there is the entire unsupported API thing. That's a bigger issue for devs that may use unsupported APIs, in a theoretical app store outside of apple. Apple changes that API or renders it useless, results in a non-working app. Some of the apps have used unsupported apis in the past.

While true it doesn't rule out the bigger competitive market. It is likely to open the market providing a broader range of apps. Not saying Apple should allow unsupported API's rather allow other avenues to approved apps.

Legal competitive competition is always healthy in a marketplace.
 
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Legal competitive competition is always healthy in a marketplace.

This, whether or not people have been brainwashed to think they are part of apple's family, will always be true.

Owner of an iphone, ipad, apple tv and mac. I still believe it to be true.
 
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What kind of que!f would sue Apple because app prices are too HIGH? App developers must be sh!tting themselves. Most apps are underpriced, if anything. The Dudley Doorite who started this nonsense should try living for a year on an average developers salary and see how fast his self-righteous stupidity turns to shame. Chr!st some people are morons.
 
What kind of que!f would sue Apple because app prices are too HIGH? App developers must be sh!tting themselves. Most apps are underpriced, if anything. The Dudley Doorite who started this nonsense should try living for a year on an average developers salary and see how fast his self-righteous stupidity turns to shame. Chr!st some people are morons.

So I guess you didn't actually read it. It does not say they are suing apple because prices are too high.

A U.S. Appeals Court today ruled that App Store customers can move forward with a lawsuit claiming Apple created an illegal app monopoly because it did not allow users to purchase iPhone apps outside of the App Store, reports

If developers could sell outside of the store they could sell 30% cheaper (what apple takes) and not lose a penny, in fact they would not have to pay the 100.00 a year either, so the prices could in fact be more than 30% cheaper and not hurt the developer one bit.

Developers if they sold outside of the store would make at least 30% more without apple's forced take so it's not making developers crap themselves at all. They should be licking their chops.

So it helps to read what they are actually being sued for and understand who it actually affects. It affects apple skimming off the top, not the developers.
 
I give this suit tacit support only because i see OS X going the same way very soon.
What evidence is there to support your theory?
A more correct analogy would be buying a Ford automobile and then only allowed to buy gasoline from Ford. I agree with this ruling.
I love when people are presumptuous enough to correct other people and they themselves are dead wrong. Not kinda wrong, but severely wrong.

A more correct analogy: buying a Ford and then only being allowed to buy gas from 10's of thousands of different oil companies in a clean, convenient gas station that follows my car wherever it goes, is available 24/7, and much of the gas is free or 99 cents.

And even that's not accurate because a car runs in gas and a phone "runs" on electricity, not apps, which is available from dozens of non-Apple sources. The best analogy would be buying a car from Ford and only being allowed to buy aftermarket accessories from 10's of thousands of different companies who set their own prices in a clean, convenient store that follows my car wherever it goes, is available 24/7, and where much of the accessories are free or 99 cents.
 
A more correct analogy: buying a Ford and then only being allowed to buy gas from 10's of thousands of different oil companies in a clean, convenient gas station that follows my car wherever it goes, is available 24/7, and much of the gas is free or 99 cents.

Don't you mean the oil companies that apple allows to sell in their station? Thats the way they work, they block a lot of stuff from the app store and there is nowhere else to sell it.
 
So I guess you didn't actually read it. It does not say they are suing apple because prices are too high.



If developers could sell outside of the store they could sell 30% cheaper (what apple takes) and not lose a penny, in fact they would not have to pay the 100.00 a year either, so the prices could in fact be more than 30% cheaper and not hurt the developer one bit.

Developers if they sold outside of the store would make at least 30% more without apple's forced take so it's not making developers crap themselves at all. They should be licking their chops.

So it helps to read what they are actually being sued for and understand who it actually affects. It affects apple skimming off the top, not the developers.

You wrote: So I guess you didn't actually read it. It does not say they are suing Apple because prices are too high. Are you kidding me? "The case, Pepper et al v. Apple Inc., alleges that by not letting users purchase apps from third-party sources, there was no price competition, leading to higher app prices."

As far as the new ruling, were they are allowed to sue because Apple doesn't let people buy apps outside the App Store, your logic supporting it is flawed:
1. Apps aren't the primary purpose of a phone, and in fact most people can get all the value they need from built in apps and free apps. Phone service and data are available from a variety of providers.
2. If a developer can't afford $100/year for the privilege of selling their product in a clean, safe market available to all users, then they certainly won't enjoy paying at least that much to set up, host, operate and maintain their own online store.
3. Large companies might potentially do "OK" letting people know about their apps if they were available outside the App Store, but smaller developers would have a much harder time being discovered/noticed, consumers would be reticent to download from these un-trusted sources, and developers would having a hard time finding an alternate app marketplace that would charge less than Apple's 30% and be in business very long.

Since this is a consumer class action suit, what the "producers" make isn't really the issue. It's what they charge consumers that matters in this suit. Nothing is keeping them from charging $1.30 (if they wanted to keep an even dollar in profit). And since the percentage is the same for all developers, it's an even playing field.

The percentage Apple is receiving is less than what many retailers charge, which is a 100% markup over wholesale or 50% of consumer cost. And what developers get in return for Apple's fee is considerable: an even playing field, guaranteed smooth fast delivery of their product, built-in discoverability by over a billion potential users, seal of anti-virus/anti-scam safety & approval from Apple which offers peace of mind for those consumers, etc. Developers would have to spend considerable marketing/hosting dollars of their own to create similar availability/discoverability as the App Store provides for 30% of what they sell. And of course no charge if they sell nothing, which is hardly the case with real world hosting/marketing outside the App Store. So it's hard to make a case that Apple is abusing this supposed "monopoly" by charging developers more than the open market would.

There may be ultimately be reasons why Apple should allow app sales outside of the App Store, but neither you nor the class action suits have touched on any of them.
 
No basis in fact. If alt-apple apps were all over and problems overwhelmed the mobiles, Apple would likewise be sued for inadequately vetting the apps. If you need to access free-range apps, you are certainly free to jailbreak your hardware.
 


@MagnusVonMagnum

No sense of history: you are forgetting Apple wasn't always in this position. They earned their success. And now just because they have money in the bank, you think they have earned enough and should give it away.

Have I seen the latest MPB? Yes, I am typing this on one.
If you pick one up and cannot tell it's better made and designed than anything out there and that Apple makes the best trackpads out there, I can't help.
As for the dongles, I already converted everything to USB-C and Wireless.
USB-C is th best port we have ever had. Jump over and you'll never look back. It's just a matter of time anyway so why resist/ delay or have one foot in and one out? Ditch the legacy stuff.

I work on computers I don't play games.
If I did play games, I'd get a dedicated rig or/ and a couple of consoles to scratch that GPU itch.


As for the rest of your post: you need to start making more money.
It's just awful to go through life blaming others.
***If*** you had built a company and I came to you arguing you are not allowing competition, you should "open" up a little, I'd love to see you reaction. Naturally you'd turn around and offer your client list and ask me what else you could do differently to make it easier for me to sell to them.
It all makes sense.
I don't have a problem with the idea of having other stores. But I cannot agree with "forcing" anyone to give what they built. It's Apple's product.
The capitalism you write about and the rule of law should protect that. Otherwise, what's the point of entrepreneurship?

Do you really want everyone to be taught to hold their hand out for freebies?
Someone has to pay somewhere along the way. You want to ignore that and say but I am on the received end, why don't you just give it to me.


What are you doing on Mac Forums anyway? Your socialist views are ... antagonistic (and naive/ immature). Nothing short of a revolution will reset that clock my friend. Why are you going to about it apart from voting with your feet and wallet?
 
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I'm not a lawyer, which is perhaps why I don't understand this.

This is like suing Burger King for not selling a McRib sandwich.

Apple made a phone, made an OS, made an App store. A consumer can buy a different brand of phone, choose their OS, and buy whatever app they feel like.

It doesn't seem fair that Apple should be punished for keeping their famed 'walled garden' approach. It has helped reduce malware quite considerably, and is part of why Apple products tend to be a lot more stable than their PC/Android equivalents.
 
The percentage Apple is receiving is less than what many retailers charge, which is a 100% markup over wholesale or 50% of consumer cost. And what developers get in return for Apple's fee is considerable: an even playing field, guaranteed smooth fast delivery of their product, built-in discoverability by over a billion potential users, seal of anti-virus/anti-scam safety & approval from Apple which offers peace of mind for those consumers, etc. Developers would have to spend considerable marketing/hosting dollars of their own to create similar availability/discoverability as the App Store provides for 30% of what they sell. And of course no charge if they sell nothing, which is hardly the case with real world hosting/marketing outside the App Store. So it's hard to make a case that Apple is abusing this supposed "monopoly" by charging developers more than the open market would.

There may be ultimately be reasons why Apple should allow app sales outside of the App Store, but neither you nor the class action suits have touched on any of them.

I don't think it's that hard to make the case at all.

What you're doing in your post is making a case for choosing Apple's App Store. Which is fine, if there's a choice and this is your choice, to pay an extra fee for the features and security offered by their App Store software.

What is not fine is thinking you can simply impose your choice on everyone else, as Apple does. If this imposition was deemed legal, it would create a horrible precedent for other companies (like Microsoft) to close off their respective ecosystems and funnel all compatible software through their own software stores, and take a percentage as a result.

Of course, it would also create a precedent for all sorts of other non-software companies to funnel the sale of any auxiliary product, once their base product was purchased. For this reason I hope Apple loses.

Some people simply don't need the availability/"discoverability" that you mention. An open market might offer even better features than Apple's App Store at a lower markup. It's impossible to know since there's no open market. It would also give the choice to buy directly from the developer at no markup, if you can handle the discovery and research yourself. And this definitely works for a lot of people, in non-iOS software markets.

Apple has abused its position as iOS manufacturer to pretend they're selling appliances instead of small computers, and funnel all 3rd party software through their own store, so they get a cut from other people's work.

It's about time this is deemed illegal. Sooner or later the EU will come after them anyway and they'll have to do it.
 
Well, it becomes a museum collection peace, so, ... ;-) I guess I take my iPhone 1 out of the drawer now and try to use it for the day ;-)
No, I mean the "sealed" iPhone he bought wasn't even legit. It was previously opened and resealed, effectively making it almost worthless.
 
Look. All I did is explain the lawsuit where YOU might possibly understand it. My post has nothing to do with defending it or explaining why prices should be cheaper.

The lawsuit is for antitrust, lower prices are a side effect of apps getting sold outside apple's store and not having to pay 30% to apple off the top. THAT is where they have any chance at all, not suing specifically to lower prices.

I don't care either way unless apple is breaking anti trust laws. Don't like anti trust laws then whine to lawmakers, not to me. I neither make nor enforce them. You pisted that blather for nothing.

Recap.

1. They have to put the effect antitrust has. They put higher prices. Not the basis of the lawsuit. It may not lead to lower prices but more profit for the devs by not having to pay apple 30%. Thars why I believe devs are actually behind it. Not to mention devs that have been blocked by apple. Outside the app store they could sell.

2. You made my point of not actually reading. Show me where I said apple said they either SHOULD or SHOULD NOT have to allow selling outside of their store. I did not so yout last paragraph is ridiculous.

If you knew anything about anti trust laws you would know they do have a basis. Obviously you do not.

I am outside the us and know that. All I have done is point out the lawsuit and its merits, not say prices are too high. Devs are really the ones that would win by this. Apple could not charge 30% outside the store and they would not have a monopoly over saying who is allowed to sell.

Why do you act like apple pays your bills? I have all apple products but they are another rich company possibly breaking antitrust laws. Its for the courts to decide.


You wrote: So I guess you didn't actually read it. It does not say they are suing Apple because prices are too high. Are you kidding me? "The case, Pepper et al v. Apple Inc., alleges that by not letting users purchase apps from third-party sources, there was no price competition, leading to higher app prices."

As far as the new ruling, were they are allowed to sue because Apple doesn't let people buy apps outside the App Store, your logic supporting it is flawed:
1. Apps aren't the primary purpose of a phone, and in fact most people can get all the value they need from built in apps and free apps. Phone service and data are available from a variety of providers.
2. If a developer can't afford $100/year for the privilege of selling their product in a clean, safe market available to all users, then they certainly won't enjoy paying at least that much to set up, host, operate and maintain their own online store.
3. Large companies might potentially do "OK" letting people know about their apps if they were available outside the App Store, but smaller developers would have a much harder time being discovered/noticed, consumers would be reticent to download from these un-trusted sources, and developers would having a hard time finding an alternate app marketplace that would charge less than Apple's 30% and be in business very long.

Since this is a consumer class action suit, what the "producers" make isn't really the issue. It's what they charge consumers that matters in this suit. Nothing is keeping them from charging $1.30 (if they wanted to keep an even dollar in profit). And since the percentage is the same for all developers, it's an even playing field.

The percentage Apple is receiving is less than what many retailers charge, which is a 100% markup over wholesale or 50% of consumer cost. And what developers get in return for Apple's fee is considerable: an even playing field, guaranteed smooth fast delivery of their product, built-in discoverability by over a billion potential users, seal of anti-virus/anti-scam safety & approval from Apple which offers peace of mind for those consumers, etc. Developers would have to spend considerable marketing/hosting dollars of their own to create similar availability/discoverability as the App Store provides for 30% of what they sell. And of course no charge if they sell nothing, which is hardly the case with real world hosting/marketing outside the App Store. So it's hard to make a case that Apple is abusing this supposed "monopoly" by charging developers more than the open market would.

There may be ultimately be reasons why Apple should allow app sales outside of the App Store, but neither you nor the class action suits have touched on any of them.
 
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No basis in fact. If alt-apple apps were all over and problems overwhelmed the mobiles, Apple would likewise be sued for inadequately vetting the apps. If you need to access free-range apps, you are certainly free to jailbreak your hardware.

Sued for what? Lol

Have people sued Microsoft for the malware when they let any store sell xbox games? No, cause xbox games still go through MS's approval process.
 
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