Court Rules Police Can Force Users to Unlock iPhones With Fingerprints, But Not Passcodes

Jetson said:
I am really tired of people popping off that someone is paranoid when they express concerns about privacy.
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Thanks and me too. Unfortunately, it's more sad than anything, that average consumers just assume all of their information is completely secure and don't understand that there are even risks at all to these type of invasions.
 
Here in the UK we have no protection against revealing passwords and you can be sent to jail if you refuse so I guess it doesn't matter over here if you use a fingerprint or a passcode - if you are arrested, the police will have access to your phone...
 
the8thark said:
The US military committed many crimes by murdering innocent civilians and covering it up. The collateral murder videos were the evidence of the US military's crimes and the government covering it up was the government's crime.
So you are saying it's a crime to expose other crimes committed by the government and military?
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You can't handle a crime by committing another crime. Police (or you) can't illegally gather evidence. Snowden gathered his evidence illegally. That doesn't have anything to do with the alleged US-government crimes.
You can't illegally record phone calls, you can't illegally spy on someone. If you know that your neighbor is a criminal, you are NOT authorized to put a camera inside his house to prove it.
US committed crimes? Ok, that doesn't absolve Snowden from HIS crime.
And stop talking about 'right' or 'wrong' when you talk about the law (unless you're 18 and still an idealist). The law is not 'right' or 'wrong'.
 
The court (at higher levels) has already ruled that you can be held in contempt if you do not produce your password. Not sure why this ruling is headline news.
 
yaxomoxay said:
The other side of the coin does not jusitfy sacrificing freedom. One of the thoughest and most horrible crimes is domestic violence, especially on women and children. Would you agree if the government put cameras inside your house, connected 24 hours, in order for them to react at the first sign of violence? It would stop domestic violence, and it would kill freedom.
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I did not opine whether or not I agree with it, but merely stated both sides of a troublesome issue. While leaning towards saying no to those police requests, on the grounds of personal freedom, I am as of now undecided and will see what the learned and wise men and women of Scotus will ultimately decide.
 
macs4nw said:
I did not opine whether or not I agree with it, but merely stated both sides of a troublesome issue. While leaning towards saying no to those police requests, on the grounds of personal freedom, I am as of now undecided and will see what the learned and wise men and women of Scotus will ultimately decide.
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Oh I know you were not advocating one side or the other. I was just saying that freedom can't be menaced by a reaction to violence.
 
MacRumors said:
If protected by a passcode, Baust will not be required to unlock his phone under the Fifth Amendment, [...]
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That is not true. If ordered by the court, a defendant has to give access to physical goods, documents and files. Otherwise, he'd be held in contempt and sent to jail. Fifth amendment would come into play only if his knowledge of the passcode is an actual evidence of the crime in question. (e.g. he could not have committed the crime unless he knows the passcode.)
 
Chatter said:
WTH? So my personal fingerprint is under state control (and can be used against me) but my personal memory of a passcode isn't. :rolleyes:

Wonder what category retina scans fall under. :D
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If it can be scanned and replicated, probably like a finger print. Really, it seems, only your mind is protected. And not your brain - so if they could scan your brain and view memories, that's probably OK.

Can you do split authentication? Like, Touch ID for everything (Apple Pay, etc.) except to unlock the device?
 
Yes !!

oh wait... I'm not in the U.S


Well, it will still apply, i'll make it stick :)

unless u cutoff your thumbs/fingers, or pass out before u make to the witness stand, the police could force fingerprints....... They do it anyway..... They only give u the "option" of blood sample.... But they could if they wanted to..

Unless u have a password kept on a piece of paper, like the Guardian did at one point, then what can the police do ?

Maybe go to jail ? But so be it .... see u lot when i get released :)
 
Apple should provide iPhone and iPad models without TouchID.

Stop forcing us to accept creepy technology that is a privacy threat and is NOT wanted by many of your customers.

Apple assures us that the fingerprint is encoded and stored in a sandbox and never leaves your device.

I remember Apple's assurances about location data that they were clandestinely collecting and allowing third parties to freely access. And Apple provided consumer data to the NSA while pretending that they were not. So excuse me if I'm not assured.

This is another reason that I reject TouchID. I have no need for it and don't even want the hardware on my machine.

Oh, and someone made a crack about being watched by someone via the camera. Well you tell me WHY Apple designed a camera that can be turned on WITHOUT the green monitor light also being turned on?
 
This will end up at the supreme court which I believe with take a dim view of this opinion... Nothing to get too panicky about.
 
Miranda

WolfSnap said:
After 48 hours, 5 bad attempts, or a power-cycle, the fingerprint isn't useful any more. You need the passcode.

Plus, nothing saying you need to tell them which finger is the right finger to use... Just use the wrong finger a few times. Which finger unlocks the device would be the same as the passcode.. You can't be compelled to use the correct finger.
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Enable restrictions, enable device wipe, then disable account changes. Burden of Proof is upon the state. If you are wrongly arrested, ask to speak to your attorney and shut your hole. Remember that many counties routinely "overcharge" so that you'll "plea-down" to keep whatever case out of court and thus the conviction rates stay high -which is about local politics. But for you weirdos out there: If you are living a felonious lifestyle-choice -especially that which gets the attention of the Feds, they're gonna getcha good and there is nothing you can do about it. Lesson? Obey the law and know your rights.
 
I was not aware of the 48 hour limit on the iPhone touch ID, I do find it annoying you need a pass-code after a restart and sometimes on the App Store (must be the 48 hour thing kicking in)

Very interesting implications, so if you're arrested first thing, turn off your iPhone people!
 
How is this logic correct?

Your finger IS the password. If you are forced to unlock it, you are divulging which finger is your actual key. This is just like revealing your password.

This is not the same as DNA where it is the same throughout your body as each finger is a different key
 
Branskins said:
How is this logic correct?

Your finger IS the password. If you are forced to unlock it, you are divulging which finger is your actual key. This is just like revealing your password.

This is not the same as DNA where it is the same throughout your body as each finger is a different key
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I agree 100%.

It's really not like giving DNA becuase that finger is the password. And they make you give them your prints so there is the DNA I provided. I dare them to unlock a phone using those prints.
 
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