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Coverage of Apple's iPhone 4 Press Conference
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I agree with the few people on here who are not acting like drama queens: if you don't like the iPhone 4, go buy a droid, android, HTC, whatever and shut up.
If only people brought this much passion into things that really matter in this world...
If only people brought this much passion into things that really matter in this world...
i've been gleaning news bits from here and appleinsider.com for years & years now.
up until approximately 4-5 months ago, I was always avoid the forii here because, well...ahem...I had "heard" on the AI forii that the folks here were, for the most part, a bunch of whiners & atypically retarded.
I have to say that even when the facts about the iPhone 4 are thrown in your face by a company whose success is beyond argue...whose products are beyond compare in terms of just plain old functionality, let alone quality....well, even with those stone-cold facts staring you folks in the face you still continue to shine brightly in the dim department.
these forii, and the inherent level of dimness in them, disgust me.
moving on to better things with my existence & deleting MR from my toolbar shortcuts.
good god but you people are dumb 🙂
good luck, kids.
up until approximately 4-5 months ago, I was always avoid the forii here because, well...ahem...I had "heard" on the AI forii that the folks here were, for the most part, a bunch of whiners & atypically retarded.
I have to say that even when the facts about the iPhone 4 are thrown in your face by a company whose success is beyond argue...whose products are beyond compare in terms of just plain old functionality, let alone quality....well, even with those stone-cold facts staring you folks in the face you still continue to shine brightly in the dim department.
these forii, and the inherent level of dimness in them, disgust me.
moving on to better things with my existence & deleting MR from my toolbar shortcuts.
good god but you people are dumb 🙂
good luck, kids.
Eso
macrumors 68020
The percentage of calls to Apple Care about the antenna issue should be compared to the total number of calls to Apple Care, not the total number of iPhone 4 users.
Their figures are misleading because not all iPhone 4 users with issues call Apple Care. Some visit the genius bar instead; others don't bother to do either.
For example, suppose only 1% of iPhone 4 users actually called Apple Care - that means half of calls to Apple Care were about the antenna issue. Now consider that Apple Care takes calls for every product Apple produces, and you have an inordinate amount users experiencing a particular issue on a particular device.
Anuba
macrumors 68040
I have read more than plenty in my 41 years, that's why I find your juvenile conspiracy nonsense a bit of an eye roller (I had ideas like that too when I was half the age I am now).
Think, man. Yes, astroturfers exist but why would anyone bother sending them to a fan site for the converted? That's like walking into a mosque and handing out Bibles. A huge waste of time and paper. Have you ever heard of an Apple fan converting FROM Apple to another brand? And in the unlikely event that you did, was it because they had read a couple of negative posts on MacRumors? No.
If you were to send a patrol of astroturfers out there to spread FUD about the iPhone, you'd probably direct them to places where they can stop people from ever becoming Apple customers, and MR or other Mac fansites would be horrible places to do that. Instead you'd send them to places where fans of many brands gather, forums for smartphones in general, article comments on Gizmodo/Engadget etc.
As for the media itself, that's a Mac stronghold. I once went to visit Aftonbladet (Sweden's largest evening paper), they have this giant open office space and it was like staring into an ocean of Macs. Yet they're writing about this antenna issue, just like they write negative stuff about the social democratic party sometimes even though Aftonbladet is attached to that party. We always think the worst of journalists, but you'd be surprised how willing they are to set their own feelings, preferences and biases aside even if it means dissing their favorite brand, band, political party etc. They're not out to nail Apple and they'd happily write the same stuff about Google or Microsoft if they were the ones currently under scrutiny over some product defect.
Instead, consider the possibility that it's perhaps you who want it to be a conspiracy against Apple, because it's comforting to imagine that the people complaining are just faking it, and that in reality, Apple is perfect, loved by everyone and incapable of error.
We are all so dumb and you are so smart. Now that IS funny. Thanks for making me laugh.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out 😎
How do you know we don't? This is a discussion about the IPhone 4, not the BP oil spill. That's another forum. You shut up.
ender21
macrumors 6502
You said "0.55% faulty phones" and are using that as a large basis for your argument. What actually was said was that only 0.55% of iphone customers have called AppleCare.
You DO see the difference there, right?
1. I can easily replicate the problem under most circumstances, have dropped a grand total of 1 call to the issue, but *overall* it hasn't been a problem for me so I'm unconcerned with it anymore than I am regular crappy cell phone coverage. Ergo...
2. I haven't called AppleCare. Thus..
3. Suggesting only 0.55% of their phones are faulty is factually erroneous. 100% of them could be, but if only 0.55% report it and the rest just don't care or think it's just the vagaries of cell phone use, or have duly noted the issue and will wait until it actually affects them, then you need to stop using that as an argument.
Warbrain
macrumors 603
He's pretty much dead on - a lot of the people here whine without any idea what they're whining about.
I did enjoy Steve showing that the problem affects all cell phones. People will still believe it to be a lie, though.
aliensporebomb
macrumors 68000
Oh?
Yeah and how does every phone have "the flaw" if some aren't experiencing it? I still believe it has to do with a lot of variations in meatspace:
Some people have dry skin, some oily.
Some eat too many potato chips.
You've seen the videos - you can see as the bars drop there's a bag of chips in the background.
Yeah and how does every phone have "the flaw" if some aren't experiencing it? I still believe it has to do with a lot of variations in meatspace:
Some people have dry skin, some oily.
Some eat too many potato chips.
You've seen the videos - you can see as the bars drop there's a bag of chips in the background.
JediZenMaster
Suspended
I just got done watching the press conference because i had to go into my office today and couldn't watch it live. I'm pleased with the end result of this and after reading some of the comments on this board and various blogs some people will never be satisfied. But Steve was right this has been blown up and IMO it seems like it goes deeper than the antenna issue. It really seems some people have a Vendetta against apple. And i hope they bring their phones back because i'm tired of seeing people who don't even own iPhones acting like they are effected by this.
I'm as geeky as the next as the next guy but i can't believe people are letting hate of a device consume their life. But Whatever gets them thru the night. Anyways I'm pleased with my iPhone and i got a bumper when it was launched for pure shallow reasons. But i will get going down and getting a refund. Heck apple loves me enough to give me the money back.
I would be a fool not to take it. Funny thing though is that i will just end up spending it on itunes anyway. if someone still has an issue with apple at this point they should just march over to big red and get a droid. Because the bandwagon has crashed and has no more tires or space.
Feel free to opine.
I'm as geeky as the next as the next guy but i can't believe people are letting hate of a device consume their life. But Whatever gets them thru the night. Anyways I'm pleased with my iPhone and i got a bumper when it was launched for pure shallow reasons. But i will get going down and getting a refund. Heck apple loves me enough to give me the money back.
I would be a fool not to take it. Funny thing though is that i will just end up spending it on itunes anyway. if someone still has an issue with apple at this point they should just march over to big red and get a droid. Because the bandwagon has crashed and has no more tires or space.
Feel free to opine.
The figures are not misleading.
1. Yes not everyone calls Apple Care but that's irrelevant. The only actual data Apple has on the subjects are those calls which are actually made. Yes they could have added people who instead of calling visited an Apple store, but maybe they don't have the stats on that yet, or it's too small a number to make a difference. Nevertheless the number of calls on Apple Care are important to me. I myself have called Apple Care whenever I had an issue about my Mac that I couldn't fix by the information I find online. And I'm a poweruser myself so I can pretty much fix anything regarding my mac.
2. Suppose 1% of iPhone owners called Apple Care about something, and then half of them called about the antenna issues. That doesn't change anything. Half of them calling about the antenna issue is actually good news. That means other than the antenna issue, people don't have a major problem with the device. If 99% of the calls made to Apple Care was about the antenna, it would be even better.
3. The return rates being less than iPhone 3GS are again not misleading since not everyone was expecting or waiting for a conference call. They announced this 2 days ago only. And Apple's official response about this topic was pretty much the same since the beginning, when Steve said "there's no issue, don't hold it that way". I'm pretty sure that would be enough of a response for anyone who thought about returning their phone. So most people who think about returning it would have done before the press conference, unless they bought it very recently. The only thing missing from the data was that whether they were comparing to the first 3 week return rate of 3GS or overall return rate.
4. We'll never figure out about the AT&T drop rates most probably. But as a iPhone 1st gen user myself, I get dropped calls pretty frequently at home, but after this event I'll probably log it and see how many per 100 I actually get in a low reception area, which is again, my home. But I definitely get more than 5 per 100. Maybe 10 per 100. I don't ever get calls dropped in a good reception area though, so if iPhone 4 gets dropped calls in good reception areas, that would be a problem.
Anuba
macrumors 68040
It's not a lie and I haven't seen anyone claim that it was. What people are expressing disappointment over is that Steve only addressed half the issue and conveniently circumvented the other half.
All smartphones suffer from some measure of signal attenuation resulting from the fact that cupping your hand around the antenna muffles the signal a bit. The iPhone 4 has this too, as does the 3GS and 3G (though I've been unable to replicate it on my 3G).
But that's old news and nobody needed to hear Steve reiterate what everyone already knew. What they wanted to know more about was the iPhone 4's unique problem with naked external antennas that can be bridged with the touch of a fingertip, which has been demonstrated in several videos. This has nothing to do with 'muffling' the signal (if it did, why would wearing an Ove Glove improve the signal? Hand+thick glove should make for even worse attenuation), it has to do with the antennas being bridged.
Steve avoided that issue completely even though he knew it was the heart of the matter. That's why some feel that the press conference didn't do squat.
HLdan
macrumors 603
Well, I guess you voted negative right? You keep ranting on that your current iPhone has no problem, though Jobs says it does along with your other phones. You don't understand the problem. It's not that everywhere you go you'll have the problem. I've tried out iPhone 4's in multiple Apple stores and some dropped signal when I touched the side and some stores had no issue. It depends on the location which is why many people here say they are not having any reception issues.
It's people like you who vote negative out of ignorance to the situation.
When you deathgrip it, you are already bridging the gap. If you are holding the phone just to bridge it with a single finger you are only doing it for the sole purpose of a youtube video or a test*@ home. So even though it's a unique problem for iPhone 4, it's much less important than the overall grip issue, which will effect most of the people who get effected by this. So I don't really think that's what people have been waiting to be answered. And it wasn't the heart of the matter. The matter was that the phone was losing signal strength when gripped. Not when the bridge was crossed by a coin or by a finger.
apple conference
apple video conference answers to all that media ********.. if you still keep trolling after watching this, that is something else.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/100716iab73asc/event/index.html
apple video conference answers to all that media ********.. if you still keep trolling after watching this, that is something else.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/100716iab73asc/event/index.html
marksman
macrumors 603
Pretty dumb to buy a device, have it not work and not even call the company who made it to ask them for help.
This issue has far from "consumed my life." Geez, went shopping, cooked dinner, went running, went swimming, and now I'm going to a birthday party. I'm sure most on here are going about their daily routines, as well. But Apple has me extremely pissed off. I was a fan but now I've lost faith in a company whose products I truly enjoy. Yup... it's only a phone but Apple fans seem to be quite passionate about their gadgets and I truly believe that Apple has the best ones but that's no excuse for them to treat its customers like fools.
marksman
macrumors 603
No it means either get a free bumper and be happy or return the phone and be happy.
Under no circumstances should hold on to a phone you say is not working and wait until September 30th, thinking something is going to change.
Nobody said that or implied that.
when a company is worth $250 billion in market cap and in addition, laying a strong foundation into the future in an industry such as Telecommunication (don't argue the importance of telecommunication), believe me there will be propaganda methods of all kinds between competitors and from the financial markets. You know countries beg imf for couple billion dollars. Propaganda doesn't only happen in wars. I can't believe you can argue against this. Even a 15 year old kid knows this.
It is sad you haven't learned this in 41 years. It is very naive of you to think this way. Yes I wish we lived in a world where everything wasn't so f..d up.
HLdan
macrumors 603
Wow with so many daily activities that you do it's amazing you make time to be "Extremely Pissed Off" at Apple. Extremely pissed off from a phone issue for goodness sake, extremely pissed off because Apple is passionate about their products but make mistakes at times. You've lost faith in the company for one product. To get "extremely pissed off" over this is consuming your life. Go swimming again. 😛
I don't htink so
I don't think that is the rule, it has to be away from the face so either bottom or top I think. But, top of a phone is not far enough away, since we have gone away from extendible antennas
I don't think that is the rule, it has to be away from the face so either bottom or top I think. But, top of a phone is not far enough away, since we have gone away from extendible antennas
