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Do you have a link for that? That would be extremely bad news, but I've not heard that before. I've never heard of any vaccine with immunity as short as 3 months.
COVID-19 and Your Health
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* FACT: People who have gotten sick with COVID-19 may still benefit from getting vaccinated
Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that re-infection with COVID-19 is possible, people may be advised to get a COVID-19 vaccine even if they have been sick with COVID-19 before.
At this time, experts do not know how long someone is protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. The immunity someone gains from having an infection, called natural immunity, varies from person to person. Some early evidence suggests natural immunity may not last very long.
We won’t know how long immunity produced by vaccination lasts until we have a vaccine and more data on how well it works.
Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are important aspects of COVID-19 that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.*
The CDC pages does not say that the vaccine wears out after 3 months. No reputable health organization is saying that. People who claim this must show valid references.
One thing we do know is that people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 have not shown any statistically significant reinfection rates in the 13+ months that the infection has been around.
We also know that the SARS-CoV-1 infected individuals also never showed high reinfection rates (and there was never a vaccine for this).
Vaccines operate differently from one to another as well as differently in each person.
Some vaccines have been highly effective (smallpox, polio, etc.) to the point of eradicating the disease. Others have a time-limited effectiveness like tetanus; booster shots are generally advised every ten years.
Some vaccines require multiple doses, others are done in a single dose. The upcoming Pfizer coronavirus vaccine needs two doses given about four weeks apart.
Some diseases need frequent vaccinations such as influenza because the influenza virus mutates rapidly. The flu vaccine's effectiveness rate averages about 40% annually but that's enough to slow down infections and reduce excess mortality. There is more than one flu strain each season, so drug manufacturers guess which ones will be the most prominent and try to create a cocktail of a half dozen of the most likely strains. Some years they guess correctly and the effectiveness rate is high. Other years they guess poorly and the effective rate is lower.
If you look at HPV, there are something like 100+ strains of this virus. The two major commercially available vaccines were developed to combat the most common HPV strains that cause cervical cancer. So getting Gardasil 9 doesn't mean you are totally immune to every strain of HPV.
One thing for sure, international air travel will eventually become unavailable to those who cannot show that they have received a vaccine regardless whether or not their body developed its own immunity via infection.
The only way the SARS-CoV-2 travel restriction would be lifted for non-vaccinated individuals would be if there was a highly accurate serological test. Today, no such test exists.
One thing we do know is that people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 have not shown any statistically significant reinfection rates in the 13+ months that the infection has been around.
We also know that the SARS-CoV-1 infected individuals also never showed high reinfection rates (and there was never a vaccine for this).
Vaccines operate differently from one to another as well as differently in each person.
Some vaccines have been highly effective (smallpox, polio, etc.) to the point of eradicating the disease. Others have a time-limited effectiveness like tetanus; booster shots are generally advised every ten years.
Some vaccines require multiple doses, others are done in a single dose. The upcoming Pfizer coronavirus vaccine needs two doses given about four weeks apart.
Some diseases need frequent vaccinations such as influenza because the influenza virus mutates rapidly. The flu vaccine's effectiveness rate averages about 40% annually but that's enough to slow down infections and reduce excess mortality. There is more than one flu strain each season, so drug manufacturers guess which ones will be the most prominent and try to create a cocktail of a half dozen of the most likely strains. Some years they guess correctly and the effectiveness rate is high. Other years they guess poorly and the effective rate is lower.
If you look at HPV, there are something like 100+ strains of this virus. The two major commercially available vaccines were developed to combat the most common HPV strains that cause cervical cancer. So getting Gardasil 9 doesn't mean you are totally immune to every strain of HPV.
One thing for sure, international air travel will eventually become unavailable to those who cannot show that they have received a vaccine regardless whether or not their body developed its own immunity via infection.
The only way the SARS-CoV-2 travel restriction would be lifted for non-vaccinated individuals would be if there was a highly accurate serological test. Today, no such test exists.
I actually never contemplated international travel may require a vaccination in the future. I’m not totally sure if I’m going to accept the vaccination or not personally, but I most definitely have international travel plans likely in the upcoming year. So that’s something that might pose an issue, and I wonder if there’s any ‘loopholes’ where others could still travel without one.
Right now, a few places accept travelers with a valid recent (like <2-3 days) negative COVID-19 test result. Croatia is pretty much the only EU country that allows US visitors at this moment.
In fact, some airports have COVID-19 testing facilities and if your test turns up positive, you go home. Note that US travelers with negative COVID-19 test results still can't travel to many countries as well as the island/county of Kaua'i.
It is widely believed that airlines and border control agencies will move to a COVID-19 vaccine proof model once those vaccines start being widely available.
It will start with commercial airplanes, both cockpit and cabin crew.
Next will be the cabin manifest. Customs/border patrol agencies will say "make sure your manifest only includes vaccinated individuals otherwise they will be sent back at your expense on your next return flight." Do you know what that means? That means one less revenue seat on that flight. Most likely, the airline will pass that cost back to the offending flier.
After all, a negative COVID-19 test result from two days ago doesn't guarantee that you'll be virus free today. The vaccine -- even if it's not 100% effective -- provides a different level of assurance. Remember that today's COVID-19 tests aren't 100% accurate to begin with.
And it's not just international consumer travel. This will affect people like student-athletes as well as professional athletes. No vaccine proof = no play.
If the rescheduled Tokyo Summer Olympics 2020(21) are to go on in June, most likely the competitors and their training staff will need to show proof of getting the vaccine.
The individual sports federations will move quickly. Tennis superstar Novak Djokovic is a vocal anti-vaxxer but likely his career will end if he refuses the COVID-19 vaccine. That's his personal choice, I have no objection to him having an opinion on the matter. He might enjoy good travel privileges as a passenger on a private plane but the ATP won't let him step in a tennis facility if he can't show proof of vaccination.
All of the major US professional leagues will require vaccine proof as will NCAA for collegiate student-athletes and staff.
Every single US state will eventually mandate the same for student-athletes at public schools and will say that those students cannot compete against students who cannot provide vaccination proof. That means effectively all private schools will need to vaccinate their student-athletes or forfeit all competition against public school teams.
The CDC, other world health organizations, and airlines were collaboratively tracking COVID territory presence before it blew up in the USA. You aren't going to be able to sneak onto an international commercial flight six months from now without vaccine proof.
In fact, some airports have COVID-19 testing facilities and if your test turns up positive, you go home. Note that US travelers with negative COVID-19 test results still can't travel to many countries as well as the island/county of Kaua'i.
It is widely believed that airlines and border control agencies will move to a COVID-19 vaccine proof model once those vaccines start being widely available.
It will start with commercial airplanes, both cockpit and cabin crew.
Next will be the cabin manifest. Customs/border patrol agencies will say "make sure your manifest only includes vaccinated individuals otherwise they will be sent back at your expense on your next return flight." Do you know what that means? That means one less revenue seat on that flight. Most likely, the airline will pass that cost back to the offending flier.
After all, a negative COVID-19 test result from two days ago doesn't guarantee that you'll be virus free today. The vaccine -- even if it's not 100% effective -- provides a different level of assurance. Remember that today's COVID-19 tests aren't 100% accurate to begin with.
And it's not just international consumer travel. This will affect people like student-athletes as well as professional athletes. No vaccine proof = no play.
If the rescheduled Tokyo Summer Olympics 2020(21) are to go on in June, most likely the competitors and their training staff will need to show proof of getting the vaccine.
The individual sports federations will move quickly. Tennis superstar Novak Djokovic is a vocal anti-vaxxer but likely his career will end if he refuses the COVID-19 vaccine. That's his personal choice, I have no objection to him having an opinion on the matter. He might enjoy good travel privileges as a passenger on a private plane but the ATP won't let him step in a tennis facility if he can't show proof of vaccination.
All of the major US professional leagues will require vaccine proof as will NCAA for collegiate student-athletes and staff.
Every single US state will eventually mandate the same for student-athletes at public schools and will say that those students cannot compete against students who cannot provide vaccination proof. That means effectively all private schools will need to vaccinate their student-athletes or forfeit all competition against public school teams.
The CDC, other world health organizations, and airlines were collaboratively tracking COVID territory presence before it blew up in the USA. You aren't going to be able to sneak onto an international commercial flight six months from now without vaccine proof.
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Actually I don’t see this happening long term. Vaccination req’d for flight. Though I could see this being a “yes” for some limited locations.
Between legal challenges, herd immunity levels, and viral mutations, this is not something doable long term with any effectiveness.
Could be wrong.
Between legal challenges, herd immunity levels, and viral mutations, this is not something doable long term with any effectiveness.
Could be wrong.
I'll be surprised if we ever reach herd immunity levels in the US. We'll see how many get the vaccine...
I was thinking earlier today, when following up on the local media, I wanted to give a shout out praise to the professionals, ‘Big Pharma’ with producing a vaccination, hospital staff, etc. Our first logged C/19 case was February 27 in my state, (although we do suspect it was here earlier.) It really is amazing to think about how fortunate we all are that we have this technology to produce a vaccination, professionals to blog, write, post every day to educate our communities, the hospital staff with their tireless efforts, the list goes on.
My state receives the vaccination tomorrow, as a matter fact, first responders/police/hospital staff is likely to receive ‘first string’ inoculations starting on Thursday according to a recent email. And that’s mind blowing to think that this virus started approximately 8 months ago and now we have a vaccination in that timeframe. I know this is the first step, I don’t think some realize how fortunate everybody is that we live in a technological era that didn’t exist years ago where they had these types of advancements/education to combat this pandemic collectively. In the end, my post is merely an expression of gratitude of how fortunate I am that we have the backed sciences from professionals to push forward.
Oh, and our ‘Positive case load’ has been reducing significantly everyday in the last four weeks.
Press on!
My state receives the vaccination tomorrow, as a matter fact, first responders/police/hospital staff is likely to receive ‘first string’ inoculations starting on Thursday according to a recent email. And that’s mind blowing to think that this virus started approximately 8 months ago and now we have a vaccination in that timeframe. I know this is the first step, I don’t think some realize how fortunate everybody is that we live in a technological era that didn’t exist years ago where they had these types of advancements/education to combat this pandemic collectively. In the end, my post is merely an expression of gratitude of how fortunate I am that we have the backed sciences from professionals to push forward.
Oh, and our ‘Positive case load’ has been reducing significantly everyday in the last four weeks.
Press on!
i saw on a local US news channel someone has discovered someone infected with a mutated version of the coronavirus
all this in the UK.
anybody know more...
later toay here is another linky:
dailysmartpaper.com
all this in the UK.
anybody know more...
later toay here is another linky:
Mutated form of Covid has also been found in Wales, Scotland, Denmark and Australia | Daily Smart Paper
The new strain of coronavirus revealed by Matt Hancock yesterday has spread to Scotland and Wales after emerging in South East England, scientists
dailysmartpaper.com
i saw on a local US news channel someone has discovered someone infected with a mutated version of the coronavirus
all this in the UK.
anybody know more...
later toay here is another linky:
Mutated form of Covid has also been found in Wales, Scotland, Denmark and Australia | Daily Smart Paper
The new strain of coronavirus revealed by Matt Hancock yesterday has spread to Scotland and Wales after emerging in South East England, scientists
There are several thousand cases here in the UK of the new strain apparently. Here in Wales we’ve just been told on the 28th December we are going into a tier 4 full lockdown where no households are allowed to mix. It’s hard for my family as my mother and father in law look after our children and take them to school. The schools will remain open in January so let’s hope we have some very understanding employers.
Well, the reports I've heard say that how long you're protected is unknown either from the vaccine or if you've recovered from an infection. Any statement on that is a guess, and depending on who is guessing, perhaps an educated one. It just hasn't been around long enough for that to be known.
In other news:
It’s not confirmed for a potential release, but it’s also most certainly in the works, they are now working on ‘take-home kits’ to check if you are positive for C/19. So versus you driving to a ‘test site’ where are your employer might require you to do so, you now [eventually] will be able to have a test kit right at home to see if you are positive/negative. I think this will be beneficial, so you don’t have people necessarily venturing out in public when they shouldn’t be, and now they have the option of having a test kit right at their home.
The caveat, I suspect these test kits will probably be expensive, and when I say ‘expensive’, I mean probably between $30 -$50, so will somebody be willing to spend that? Maybe. Or maybe their employer will reimburse them if they’re requiring a test. More will come once we know when the kits will be available.
It’s not confirmed for a potential release, but it’s also most certainly in the works, they are now working on ‘take-home kits’ to check if you are positive for C/19. So versus you driving to a ‘test site’ where are your employer might require you to do so, you now [eventually] will be able to have a test kit right at home to see if you are positive/negative. I think this will be beneficial, so you don’t have people necessarily venturing out in public when they shouldn’t be, and now they have the option of having a test kit right at their home.
The caveat, I suspect these test kits will probably be expensive, and when I say ‘expensive’, I mean probably between $30 -$50, so will somebody be willing to spend that? Maybe. Or maybe their employer will reimburse them if they’re requiring a test. More will come once we know when the kits will be available.
Good read:
www.yahoo.com
Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use messenger RNA (mRNA) technology. While these vaccines are the first of their kind, mRNA has been studied for more than 10 years, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). It was developed years ago to try to combat other illnesses, but never made it past early-stage clinical trials until it was refined and re-targeted for COVID-19.
The coronavirus mRNA vaccines do not contain live or inactivated virus, but rather work by encoding a piece of the spike protein on the surface of SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, per the CDC. (This is the part of the virus that gives it that unique crown-like shape.)
What’s in the COVID-19 Vaccines? We Asked Experts to Explain the Ingredients
What’s in the COVID-19 Vaccines? We Asked Experts to Explain the Ingredients
They’re slightly different formulas that will help achieve the same goal: ending the pandemic.
Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use messenger RNA (mRNA) technology. While these vaccines are the first of their kind, mRNA has been studied for more than 10 years, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). It was developed years ago to try to combat other illnesses, but never made it past early-stage clinical trials until it was refined and re-targeted for COVID-19.
The coronavirus mRNA vaccines do not contain live or inactivated virus, but rather work by encoding a piece of the spike protein on the surface of SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, per the CDC. (This is the part of the virus that gives it that unique crown-like shape.)
We’ve had it announced this afternoon that the whole of Wales is going into a tier 4 lockdown from midnight tonight. Local businesses are staying open until then to try and claw some money back. Retail parks here are absolute gridlock with people desperately trying to pick up click and collect orders and Xmas presents. It’s absolute mayhem. I agree with the reasons for the lockdown as the rate is shooting up, but the last minute notice today has caused mass panic.
South east England has similar measures. The 5 day 3 household mixing rule is now scrapped with one day of relaxation, Xmas day
South east England has similar measures. The 5 day 3 household mixing rule is now scrapped with one day of relaxation, Xmas day
I think some individuals are mixing up 2 different things. I am confident no one has said that the vaccine last 3 months and there is no good source for this. I believe there might be some evidence that if you get infected with Covid it does not necessarily provide long term protection and some have indicated it may be 3 months. The Vaccine is not the same.
Apparently there was a mass exodus out of London last night by both Train and Car. I am afraid some only thing of themselves. I am in London and don't have any problem with missing Christmas although i will miss my Grans. I will probably go for a nice long bicycle ride if no rain.We’ve had it announced this afternoon that the whole of Wales is going into a tier 4 lockdown from midnight tonight. Local businesses are staying open until then to try and claw some money back. Retail parks here are absolute gridlock with people desperately trying to pick up click and collect orders and Xmas presents. It’s absolute mayhem. I agree with the reasons for the lockdown as the rate is shooting up, but the last minute notice today has caused mass panic.
South east England has similar measures. The 5 day 3 household mixing rule is now scrapped with one day of relaxation, Xmas day
That’s the problem with the public. The south east has a huge rate at the moment and people have been urged not to travel out of the area taking the virus with them. What happens? Hundreds of thousands ignore this and travel to family up and down the country for Xmas. I could have travelled to my family in England, but feel some of us need to be responsible and i’ll be happy I have a clear conscience when this is over.
Last night our local retail park was rammed full of people desperate to buy things and social distancing went completely out of the window from the videos I have seen. This pandemic has really highlighted to me how selfish we are as a society and I have less empathy now for people outside of my family and friends to be honest. I’m also glad I no longer live in a big city as it must be overwhelming at the moment. I’m lucky I live in a small town with plenty of mountains and greenery around me for exercise and escape.
sounds like something out of the middle ages.
I can tell you that the Romans and Greeks used to do the same, at least those who could afford moving out of the city during a pandemic/plague/war/riot whatever. Humans never changed.
a good non biased source for everything science is science daily
they report on what labs like boston univ, Honduras labs and other research facilities complie facts and data. They have been covering the outbreak this entire year without the static other website emit.
they report on what labs like boston univ, Honduras labs and other research facilities complie facts and data. They have been covering the outbreak this entire year without the static other website emit.
So from my readings so far, it sounds like the mutated strain that’s in the UK right now, is vastly similar to the current C/19 strain we have here in the United States with almost identical effects, the difference being, ‘Health professionals’ are saying it’s far more contagious, but it shouldn’t require a new vaccination to combat it, if it makes its way here.
The only question I have, [which there really isn’t an answer to], is when did the first mutated strain become actual, not when it was first verified as a mutated strain from a person/test.
The only question I have, [which there really isn’t an answer to], is when did the first mutated strain become actual, not when it was first verified as a mutated strain from a person/test.