Matching is not scanning, the issue there is 99% of users don't know what an hash is. It is not the photos, just numbers.
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Craig Federighi Acknowledges Confusion Around Apple Child Safety Features and Explains New Details About Safeguards
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Apple have been doing this since 2019. This latest annoucement is an evolution of that initiative and I believe will lead to E2EE for iCloud Photos.
It's only good for areas where you have a lot of images and people are storing copies of these images.
Basically, people would have to store the same "iconic" photos.
Let's say a government wants to force Apple to use this system to find people engaging in illegal protests. How would they do it? Please describe each step which you believe had to be taken and by whom. And they it would work.
Will this lead to an iOS 15 Boycott ???
And if so, will that lead to the Board forcing Tim Cook out ???
Neither can be discounted at this point !!!
And if so, will that lead to the Board forcing Tim Cook out ???
Neither can be discounted at this point !!!
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I’m talking about Opt-out from the feature embedded inside iOS. Apple can provide this option. Apple just needs to figure out another way, I guess. 🧐
If it was just some well intended idea gone bad they should turn around now and forget it before it's too late.
This is the same nonsense I here very often "people just don't understand", "wie have to explain more"
No, sorry, we clearly understand and don't need an explanation, wie just do not wont it and we see possible problems in the future...
No, sorry, we clearly understand and don't need an explanation, wie just do not wont it and we see possible problems in the future...
We are talking about pedophile. Google, Facebook already does that and not with an hash which guaranteed privacy. Only privacy of users with real CSAM images is at risk... poor guys.
Thus it begs the question, what's the real purpose of this? Many experts in the field already pointed out that the result of this will be minimal because the root issues lay elsewhere.
If push came to shove by the government (that may have already happened), which would you prefer:
1. Apple scanning your phone's hashed photos against a table of hashed photos of child porn.
2. The government scanning your photo jpegs on Apple's servers, by government mandate.
Yeah for me I don't like that, because sometimes I take private photos and I do not upload them to the cloud. I like to think they stay on the phone, the idea that some guy at Apple could in theory be looking at them, doesn't appeal to me. Even if extremely unlikely, it is possible.
Everything on the cloud I upload knowing someone could look at it, now with this new system, every photo I take I would do so knowing someone could look at it, before it is even uploaded. This is 1984.
Oh I am not confused, you are scanning our photos, data, texts, web searches, locations are next.
But Google and Microsoft are not scanning on your devices. Google doesn't pre-scan your Android phone, and Microsoft doesn't pre-scan your Windows computer. Do you see the difference?
Only if you have 30 image which matches CSAM know images from a independent database. In that casa your privacy will be at risk... but you are a pedophile. Remember matche is not scan, an hash is not an image.
Yes. Yes I could. Much more clear. Not my server so ok with abiding my rules to use. My device my control.
WHY does apple need to do this? Iphones have been around since 2007, why now for on-device scanning?
TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️
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That’s a cover up lie and a random number Craig is throwing at us.
Why does Apple think I'm a pedophile who needs to be monitored?
Why does Apple think they're some sort of law enforcement agency whose job is to monitor people?
When did Apple become so out of touch with reality?
Why does Apple think they're some sort of law enforcement agency whose job is to monitor people?
When did Apple become so out of touch with reality?
Correct. The arguments against are almost all slippery slope type arguments. They do have merit, but I'm not sure they warrant the level of hysteria we've seen around this feature, until Apple shows otherwise.
I think what this situation has highlighted for many people is how much we have to trust Apple (or any OS provider). When Apple says they won't put random items in the list to check and that that list can only updated with an iOS build iOS users have to trust them. When Apple says they are not scanning all photos today, iOS users have to trust them. When Apple says this new feature will only be triggered when sending photos to iCloud, I think you get the point.
For a lot of people this was a bit of wake up call because 1) lack of knowledge and 2) Apple's privacy push.
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Because they have 2 Trillion dollars and feel entitled to do anything in this world.
Apple is not going back on this. Very disappointed.
Child porn is a crime. That’s ’s justification for this tool: WARRANT-LESS SCANNING OF YOUR PHONE FOR CRIMES. Today it’s one of the more shocking crimes. But what about tomorrow? Monitoring your camera and microphone for crimes in progress? Scanning all your finances for insider trading? Monitoring your GPS for failure to come to a complete stop at known stop sign intersections?
This also makes liable for content, since they will now be filtering it, and can be sued when they fail to, forfeiting most protections from 2230.
There is little doubt why is doing this: under pressure from law enforcement to unlock phones, which they have already taken a stand on not doing. has therefore decided they will police the phones themselves, building in a back door for their own access to data for whatever purpose they decide is necessary.
Let’s not forget hacking. What’s stopping a Russian darknet freelancer from being hired by anyone to hack your iCloud Photos on the web, inserting matched-hash images which propagate to all your devices and result in your arrest and prosecution?
This also makes liable for content, since they will now be filtering it, and can be sued when they fail to, forfeiting most protections from 2230.
There is little doubt why is doing this: under pressure from law enforcement to unlock phones, which they have already taken a stand on not doing. has therefore decided they will police the phones themselves, building in a back door for their own access to data for whatever purpose they decide is necessary.
Let’s not forget hacking. What’s stopping a Russian darknet freelancer from being hired by anyone to hack your iCloud Photos on the web, inserting matched-hash images which propagate to all your devices and result in your arrest and prosecution?
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This is so sad. Craig was the one guy at Apple I respected the most. He has a great personality, speaking voice, and image that makes me wonder if he should’ve been a marketing executive instead of engineering VP. Apple knows he’s a guy people listen to, so they believe his charisma will calm people down. Even he can’t stop this train wreck.
They're hiding something. It's obvious.
What I don't understand is how Apple can get away with hosting known illegal-to-possess child porn images on its servers. Fingerprint matches, they are identified illegal images. Legally they should reject them immediately that they are identified and not permit them to exist on systems they own and control. Or maybe they don't understand they are blatantly breaking the law themselves, or don't care as they are "the good guys" and consider themselves immune from prosecution. Google rejects them out of hand and doesn't permit them on their servers. What makes Apple special here? And then Apple has a group of non-law-enforcement people looking at those child porn images to see if there are enough of them to report the uploader.
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