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Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak Discuss USB-C on iPhone, iMessage on Android, Lack of iPadOS Calculator App, Pace of Innovation, and More

TheWatchfulOne said:
There are tons of calculator apps. And there are tons of weather apps, like Dark Sky, for instance... oh wait... 🤔 😉
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Yet apple makes one for the iPhone, go figures…..

the same app you suggest are available on iPhone too…

Next let’s remove the mail app, the tv app the browser, the calendar, the music app. Heck there are tons of them.

there would be even stores if they allowed them ….
 
_Spinn_ said:
Keeping iMessage off Android helps keep people on iOS. Not sure there would be enough paying customers on Android for Apple to justify the cost.
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Nobody would pay to use iMessage just like nobody pays to use a browser or Google Maps or Search.
The value would came from being the great message gatekeeper.
But Apple lost that chance and iMessage will wither in time expect perhaps the USA and that is more than enough for them.
 
BuddyTronic said:
With new version of Signal I think you are nearly or absolutely FORCED to give access to your full contacts list. Signal did something funny - maybe to avoid going broke. Snowden still recommends Signal as of Oct 2022? I doubt it.

Find out what Edward Snowden recommends and use that. Signal is out!

I believe WhatsApp does that "contacts" data mining on you as well. Facebook can use your data for whatever I guess. WhatsApp touts "end to end encryption", but they are still mining you for your data.

I believe that any and all data about ourselves should be automatically forbidden for use by any company unless we consent to it.


I'd pay 1/10th of a penny for every message if it was truly secure. It would be a great competitor to iMessage and WhatsApp and whatever. Private messaging is a bit of a holy grail, but if it's too private and too secure, the government won't allow it to exist. Just look at Signal again and try to figure out what they have done.
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I am not sure if Signal did change anything but I had given contacts access a while ago. Here is their documentation which also has a link to a blog about how they use the contacts by hashing them.

Text from their documentation

What about my contacts in Signal?
Signal can optionally discover which contacts in your address book are Signal users, using a service designed to protect the privacy of your contacts. Information from the contacts on your device may be cryptographically hashed and transmitted to the server in order to determine which of your contacts are registered.

 
timber said:
You are an Apple user and don't know what that means?
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You're the one that said it. What do you mean by that in relation to a calculator app? That you want it to look a bit prettier than any of the hundreds of other calculator apps? That's it?

And "care on use" doesn't make grammatical sense to me, btw.
 
SpotOnT said:
The latests stats I have seen claim that 87% of US teens with a smartphone use an iPhone. Numbers are comparable for US college students. I understand that, statistically speaking, there are Americans who use Android, I just never seem to meet them….
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I guess I don't know enough US teens or US college students then. 🤣

So if you have a group of 10 students it's statistically likely you'll have to use WhatsApp and can't use iMessage for a group chat.

For those at my company who get given phones they tend to be iPhone SEs as it makes it somewhat simple for them to choose rather than the wide range of Android. As I say probably about 2/3rds of the people I know from Engineers, project managers, office workers, accountants, music promotors, teachers, business owners, entrepreneurs, brewers, and pretty much all walks of life here in the UK have Androids. My girlfriend has an iPhone. My dad has an iPhone. My mum used to have an iPhone but now has a Samsung. The 3 people I go mountain biking weekly with one has iPhone the other 2 Android (WhatsApp group there then). The singer in my band has iPhone, the other 3 Android (FB messenger group). Not knowing anyone with an Android phone must be a very US thing. Maybe a money/social group thing too. You can pick up a lot more cheap and passable Android handsets.

I just googled and supposedly iOS/Android is pretty much a 50/50 split here in the UK (unverified data source). To me it seems less based on my experience. Maybe it's slightly higher than I think but I'd definitely say the majority don't.
 
Ghost31 said:
Ha! Yeah ok. by this logic, why the hell did they finally add a weather app when there’s so many weather apps on the App Store?
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Maybe the other calculator app devs complained that the iPad would have a monopoly on calculating. But then it shouldn't be on iPhone either.
 
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usagora said:
You're the one that said it. What do you mean by that in relation to a calculator app? That you want it to look a bit prettier than any of the hundreds of other calculator apps? That's it?

And "care on use" doesn't make grammatical sense to me, btw.
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The same way the phone calculator is just a bit nicer than everything else I think the iPad deserves the same.
It's difficult finding any sort of computation tool without a calculator in its basic form and the iPad is a pretty powerful tool.
And thank you for your correcting. English is not my mother tongue and I do try not to murder it.
 
yabeweb said:
Yet apple makes one for the iPhone, go figures…..

the same app you suggest are available on iPhone too…

Next let’s remove the mail app, the tv app the browser, the calendar, the music app. Heck there are tons of them.

there would be even stores if they allowed them ….
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That's clearly false equivalence to compare the calculator app to those others. Those other apps are MUCH more involved than a simple calculator app, and obviously some of those (e.g. Music and TV are directly tied to other Apple services). They are also a whole lot more important to the user experience than a calculator app.
 
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Piplodocus said:
Not knowing anyone with an Android phone must be a very US thing. Maybe a money/social group thing too. You can pick up a lot more cheap and passable Android handsets.
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It is definitely more U.S. than other parts of the world. I think it used to somewhat be blamed on a money/social thing, and I believe that still plays a part, but not as much as it used to, as more and more iPhone owners are not upgrading, or are buying older models, as the experience isn't that much different.

I really think iMessage plays a significant role in iOS dominating in the U.S. vs other countries. Due to free calls and texts on carriers in the U.S., going back a LONG time now, nobody in the U.S. ever had a reason to switch off of SMS protocol, while the rest of the world moved to platforms like WhatsApp years ago.

Apple, whether genius or lucky, integrated iMessage with the Messages app, making it seem like iMessage and SMS are one in the same - if it's blue it's good, and green it's bad - but it's all just "texting". Think if they had made iMessage a separate app from Messages - I think we'd be looking at a very different messaging landscape in the U.S. right now, and iMessage would be just another messaging app.
 
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SusieS said:
The lack of a calculator app on iPad just doesn’t…add up. 😆

I have some third party ones, I don’t like the ads. It just feels cheap on Apple’s part.
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To be honest, the calculator app of the iPhone doesn't add up either. Maybe it would be better to just remove it
 
There are plenty of great third party calculator apps on the App Store is not an appropriate answer.
Nice way to let them off the hook, interviewer.
 
timber said:
The same way the phone calculator is just a bit nicer than everything else I think the iPad deserves the same.
It's difficult finding any sort of computation tool without a calculator in its basic form and the iPad is a pretty powerful tool.
And thank you for your correcting. English is not my mother tongue and I do try not to murder it.
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Well, I guess we just have different priorities then. While Apple's iOS Calculator app looks nice, it doesn't look better or worse than a lot of other iOS calculator apps to me, so I don't see how it would be any different on the iPad.
 
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Piplodocus said:
I guess I don't know enough US teens or US college students then. 🤣
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Clearly! 🤣

Ya, I understand things are different in other countries.

Employers over here tend to give out the SE as well. I think Apples longer software support is what makes that a “smart buy” for most of them.

I am just thankful I have never *had* to use WhatsApp. I do not feel comfortable using anything from Facebook on my personal devices.

Edit: Another factor might be because you can get iPhones pretty darn cheap over here. If you are willing to pay carrier rates from one of the big three, you can always get some iPhone for free. If you want to go prepaid instead, you can almost always get the iPhone SE for under $200 from Walmart or one of the “club” stores.
 
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antiprotest said:
If you are on Windows, you can't use iMessage anyway. If you are on Mac, there is a whole app for it. Is there a reason why you prefer the browser?
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Seems pretty obvious to me. When I am at home of course I use iMessage on all my Macs. But when I am at work on my Windows PC, it would be nice to be able to log in to the iCloud web interface and have a web-based iMessage there, just like Mail, Photos, Notes, Reminders, etc.
 
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usagora said:
Ok, but what does that even mean, specifically?

Honestly, it's apparent to me that Apple doesn't think designing a calculator app is worth their developers' time. I agree.
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usagora said:
That's clearly false equivalence to compare the calculator app to those others. Those other apps are MUCH more involved than a simple calculator app, and obviously some of those (e.g. Music and TV are directly tied to other Apple services). They are also a whole lot more important to the user experience than a calculator app.
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Well it’s. It like they have to code a NEW calculator, they already have it!

By the way my original post was not about the calculator per se, but the explaination of why.

It is a LAME excuse.
 
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Piplodocus said:
I guess I don't know enough US teens or US college students then. 🤣

So if you have a group of 10 students it's statistically likely you'll have to use WhatsApp and can't use iMessage for a group chat.

For those at my company who get given phones they tend to be iPhone SEs as it makes it somewhat simple for them to choose rather than the wide range of Android. As I say probably about 2/3rds of the people I know from Engineers, project managers, office workers, accountants, music promotors, teachers, business owners, entrepreneurs, brewers, and pretty much all walks of life here in the UK have Androids. My girlfriend has an iPhone. My dad has an iPhone. My mum used to have an iPhone but now has a Samsung. The 3 people I go mountain biking weekly with one has iPhone the other 2 Android (WhatsApp group there then). The singer in my band has iPhone, the other 3 Android (FB messenger group). Not knowing anyone with an Android phone must be a very US thing. Maybe a money/social group thing too. You can pick up a lot more cheap and passable Android handsets.

I just googled and supposedly iOS/Android is pretty much a 50/50 split here in the UK (unverified data source). To me it seems less based on my experience. Maybe it's slightly higher than I think but I'd definitely say the majority don't.
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Android: for folks where cheap determines passable.
 
temende said:
I feel like most of these answers were pretty predictable/straightforward. Unfortunately that's just how most interviews with Apple execs go.
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They are fairly consistent and transparent with their views and how they do business. They usually just choose not to show their hand when it comes to unreleased products.
 
Haiku_Oezu said:
We should go back to S years
I think most people would have been fine with this year’s iPhone being called the iPhone 13S
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I’d be happier if it was called iPhone 22 and it ran iOS 22.

It’s confusing to keep track of apple products anymore.

Some Apple marketing whiz thinks it’s better to have a jumble of names and suffixes to support a product aspirational ladder and to conceal how long in tooth some apple products get (thinking Mac Pro) before a refresh, but it’s increasingly confusing for customers.
 
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jimbobb24 said:
iMessage playing catch up to that piece of trash WhatsApp? WhatsApp is a completely mismanaged asset for Facebook because they derive so much of their profits from enterprise and their focus is not on the actual app which is terrible. WhatsApp is my primary messaging app and if they could make it half as good as iMessage I would be so happy. I wish they would just copy more more more.
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Who copy? iMessage from “trash” what’s app? If that’s what you mean then you’re agreeing with me.

Your statement is not so coherent.
 
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