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Or for folks that want to make more decisions after the purchase.

Sure more decisions at the expense of security and privacy.

But for the vast majority it’s price.

For some it’s the illusion of boundless decisions.

For the very few it’s the ability to actually do custom work.
 
Sure more decisions at the expense of security and privacy.

But for the vast majority it’s price.

For some it’s the illusion of boundless decisions.

For the very few it’s the ability to actually do custom work.
What's the security and privacy issue? What illusion? Folks can customize to their hearts content or not. When I had an Android, I never had an issue at all.
 
Well, I guess we just have different priorities then. While Apple's iOS Calculator app looks nice, it doesn't look better or worse than a lot of other iOS calculator apps to me, so I don't see how it would be any different on the iPad.
Honestly for me, any calculations I would do now, I could just ask Siri. If I still took high math and science classes, I'd get a nice scientific standalone. Mine could graph and do simple programs like counting down how long until class was over :)
 
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Honestly for me, any calculations I would do now, I could just ask Siri. If I still took high math and science classes, I'd get a nice scientific standalone. Mine could graph and do simple programs like counting down how long until class was over :)

Yes, I use Siri for simple math all the time.
 
They are fairly consistent and transparent with their views and how they do business. They usually just choose not to show their hand when it comes to unreleased products.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say - when you interview the executives of a company with a strict culture of secrecy, you end up with a pretty bland interview to us outsiders.
 
I don’t even care if they put iMessage on Android but that Federighi answer is pretty close to nonsensical. How does someone so glaringly inarticulate get to become Everyone’s Favorite Apple Executive?
Lol, that's obvious. He's handsome and we all know how much Apple and by extension their customers care about aesthetics...
 
This. In the UK it used to be huge and then slowly everyone switched to WhatsApp as groups took off. The reason being of course everyone could be in a WhatsApp group, whereas with iMessage you were limited to just iPhone users.

I fail to see why this won't also happen in the US.
“Everyone” speak for yourself!
 
Apple Pay. The 5s had Touch ID, but the 6 introduced Apple Pay which was a brand new capability for the iPhone.
No one used Apple Pay. It was not a feature that was in demand. In fact, Apple didn't see a huge Apple Pay usage uptick until covid.
 
Interviews like these are pointless. Did anyone expect Craig or Greg to give any meaningful answers? The only reason why they show up in interviews like these is to generate PR, and they are almost certainly wetting the questions beforehand and have some agreement with Johanna about not pushing for more meaningful answers.

Apple could for sure make a meaningful effort by providing iMessage for Android. They could apply the same values they claim to apply for Apple users by offering a privacy-first messaging app on Android that fully integrates with iMessage. I don't know why anyone would expect this to ever happen, there is nothing in Apple's whole history as a company that points to them ever providing anything meaningful outside their own ecosystem. iTunes for Windows and iCloud for Windows affirm this by being as bare minimum as it gets without respecting any of the native design guidelines of the platform they are running on. The same goes for the Apple Music app for Android.

Apple has always been about offering the very best as long as you stay inside the Apple ecosystem. The second you step outside of it all of Apple's services and offerings tend to not play along much at all.


The big problem with Apple as of late is how they seem to have lost track of what made them so successful, to begin with. Their focus on "users first" seems to be dwindling. Now it has become all about that race to the bottom, revenue and appeasing investors first, the user experience second. The increase of terrible ads in the Apple App Store etc. is a good example of this. Its only purpose is to add to their revenue, it doesn't do anything other than lower the overall user experience to have ads showing everywhere. Apple is trying to have their cake and eat it too by asking for premium prices from customers, while also starting to dwindle into all kinds of other revenue streams you expect to not have to be annoyed by when paying for premium devices and ecosystems.

This is capitalism at its finest. Even when you are the most successful company in the world drowning in revenue, you are still expected to have this ever-increasing growth year-over-year. You are bound to hit the wall at some point.
 
Just switch to Signal.

But ya, I agree, his 2013 statement was pretty darn clear.
How do you switch to a messaging service when no one you know uses it? People don't want to use or download new apps when they already have one.
 
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Apple has always been about offering the very best as long as you stay inside the Apple ecosystem. The second you step outside of it all of Apple's services and offerings tend to not play along much at all.
Every company on the world wants what Apple is able to provide.
The big problem with Apple as of late is how they seem to have lost track of what made them so successful, to begin with. Their focus on "users first" seems to be dwindling. Now it has become all about that race to the bottom, revenue and appeasing investors first, the user experience second. The increase of terrible ads in the Apple App Store etc. is a good example of this.
Not another "throw the baby out with the bathwater comment". The terrible ads in the App Store are not indicative of that Apple has lost user focus. Experiment that didn't go so well, amongst others.
Its only purpose is to add to their revenue, it doesn't do anything other than lower the overall user experience to have ads showing everywhere. Apple is trying to have their cake and eat it too by asking for premium prices from customers, while also starting to dwindle into all kinds of other revenue streams you expect to not have to be annoyed by when paying for premium devices and ecosystems.
It also serves to allow developers to get more notice. More notice gets more business. More business, more revenue. Everyone is happy. The price has nothing to do with anything. You could buy a third hand iphone 12 for $5 with a similar experience as a new iphone 14 Pro Max.
This is capitalism at its finest. Even when you are the most successful company in the world drowning in revenue, you are still expected to have this ever-increasing growth year-over-year. You are bound to hit the wall at some point.
Capitalism at it's finest, also means voting with you $$$. If enough people vote with their $$$ Apple will get the hint loud and clear.
 
I hope Apple addresses this ‘issue’ with this same attitude. The complaints about a lack of a native calculator app on the iPad is tired. There are plenty of options.
None that are as lightweight, ad-free and cost free as the iPhone calculator app. Hell just allow me to install the iPhone one in scaled mode and I'd be happy.
 
"If we just shipped an app that really didn't get critical mass on other platforms, what it would have accompanied is it would have held us back in innovating in all the ways we want to innovate in messages for our customers and wouldn't have accomplished much at all in any other way," Federighi explained. iMessage on Android seemed like a "throwaway" that "was not going to serve the world," he concluded.

This is hypocrisy at its best. Not that it stopped Apple releasing Apple Music for Android, which was not exactly a world-changing experience either.

So you have real world proof of why Apple shouldn't make things for non-Apple platforms.
 
this is the company that proclaims to have a suite of dev tools that make it easy to make an app work on iphone, ipad, and macOS.

soooooo, it’s just not good enough to bring a calculator to iPadOS?

ipad can work with external drives, and be a great video editor in your backpack, but isnt good enough to put a calculator on?

“use a 3rd party app”

sometimes everyone needs to realize this company is happy to treat their customers like **** from a software perspective.

I fint it strange that so many people here supports developers against Apple. They support side-loading, no/small fee from Apple etc.

And at the same time they want Apple to create application that directly competes with developers and make it default.

If Apple tried to that with an music app, most of you would complain.
 
None that are as lightweight, ad-free and cost free as the iPhone calculator app. Hell just allow me to install the iPhone one in scaled mode and I'd be happy.

But by paying for an app, you're supporting developers. Wouldn't that make you happy?
 
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