orionquest
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You believe they will only support the 2019 mac pro for 2 more years?
I'd hate to be the owner of one of those expensive computers to find that out.
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I'd hate to be the owner of one of those expensive computers to find that out.
Cognizant.
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I honestly don't know the fate of the 2019 Mac Pro, but Apple is trying very hard to kill off their entire Intel line at this point, so I wouldn't be surprised.
dapa0s
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One of the most stupid posts I’ve read on this forum, seriously.
orionquest
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Yes this is the key I think to the whole transition and fate of Hacks. I'm sure they want to kill it off as well. But the real pro's need something with expansion and pure muscle. I'm sure whatever Apple doesn't no one will really like it and it will be a solution of some kinda but with more "Apple engineering" hoops.
Don’t let this website’s users make decisions for you. As a matter of fact don’t let any website make decisions for you. Why anyone would take this tiny website with the smallest fraction of users as truth is beyond me.
Cognizant.
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I don't agree with that. This forum is full of people with experiences and knowledge that are always willing to give helpful advice. The problem arises when we have people like OP that no matter what anyone says, they're just going to disagree with everyone. This thread should have ended on page 1 with the OP's attitude, but now we're 7 pages in. It is what it is.
Zdigital2015
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That’s when people really need to disengage with thread starters. Advice was given, if the OP wants to argue the point then they can with themselves. People try too hard to win arguments to the detriment of their own sanity. Apple has a solution for everyone at this point short of people who need an Apple Silicon Mac Pro, so that’s where it breaks down when people screw themselves in knots over a decision like this. There are a lot of posters here who are trying too hard and not really moving forward because they are trying to control everything so hard and it’s just not the nature of life. The people freaking out over battery cycles are my personal favorite.
Whaaat? 😊 I actually think this thread has amounted to a mostly good discussion with relevant angles, inputs and possible solutions. Why on earth is it not allowed to have second thoughts on a purchase when something is indicating that there MAY be a problem with a certain product?
I want to thank everyone for constructive inputs 👍
Come on, man. I’ve owned a ton of Apple products. And think my original worries are valid.
Zdigital2015
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Concerns are always valid, but there is a level at which you have to bite the bullet and take the plunge. I am not an expert, but I suspect the coil whine goes away with hours/time on the device, which people are sending it back after the first hint of noise and no one has any data to support or refute my supposition. Personally, I would order a refurb, pull it out, set it up minimally and run a Unix process or looping Cinebench to see if the coil whine stays or goes or if it’s even present. Something to stress test the device as much as possible before putting it into production. Slam it hard and it either performs or it doesn’t. Hopefully, that answers your questions/concerns.
Thanks for constructive suggestions - and a respectful tone 🙂 I’ve decided to hold off on the purchase for a few months over the summer and then take the plunge and go for the Studio. I’m looking forward to working with that beast! And yes, hopefully no coil whine.
orionquest
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Actually, that's not such a stupid suggestion (more professional-looking acoustic enclosures may be available) if anybody wants to actually use any computer more powerful than a MacBook Air (or maybe a M1 Mini) in an actual studio.
The Mac Studio is not silent at idle but it is far quieter under load than the Intel iMacs and MacBooks that I've used and, being a headless unit, it is perfectly feasible to put it in an acoustically insulated box (unlike, say, an iMac).
The whine seems to be a separate fault affecting some units.
orionquest
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I have to ask how silent are some of your workspaces. I mean if you are sensitive to hear a computer whine don't you have to deal with anything else in your environment?
Ex I work from home. Both my computers are fairly silent, mid desktop enclousers (unless they are pushed then fans ramp up etc.). I have a NAS in another room it runs 24/7 and the sound of the fans I can slightly hear from my office room (bit of low droning). But it's not bothersome to me enough to do anyting about it (I should clean those fans more often). But I guess some of you this might not work. Also what about neighbourhood noise, neighbour has a pool when the kids are playing there, there is noise. My walls are not sound proof.
Just trying to figure out how you all are working in silence which seems like it's impossible but yet there are complaints about computer whine.
Ex I work from home. Both my computers are fairly silent, mid desktop enclousers (unless they are pushed then fans ramp up etc.). I have a NAS in another room it runs 24/7 and the sound of the fans I can slightly hear from my office room (bit of low droning). But it's not bothersome to me enough to do anyting about it (I should clean those fans more often). But I guess some of you this might not work. Also what about neighbourhood noise, neighbour has a pool when the kids are playing there, there is noise. My walls are not sound proof.
Just trying to figure out how you all are working in silence which seems like it's impossible but yet there are complaints about computer whine.
My office area's ambient noise is about 20 dB. I live in an apartment block that is very well insulated with thick walls and windows (because it's cold here) in a very quiet area. I also can't hear anything from my neighbours unless they're drilling.
I also don't have anything else with a fan in it in that room, and my Pro Display XDR is passively cooled (which was one of the major selling points of the screen).
My 2019 MacBook Pro drove me insane with its constant fan noise, so when I picked up the M1 Air it was absolutely incredible and I got spoiled by finally being able to compute in absolute silence, then when I got the M1 Max MacBook Pro I was blown away because now I could do real work, still in absolute silence - then I picked up the M1 Ultra Studio and it makes noise non-stop - very quiet noise - but, still, it felt like a massive step backwards. Especially as I found the timbre of the Studio's whine really annoying.
My work office has high ambient noise and I'm sure that there I could use a studio there and not hear a thing and would probably think everyone who is whining is crazy, but I absolutely love my completely silent home office and now that I have absolute silence I'm not going back.
I also don't have anything else with a fan in it in that room, and my Pro Display XDR is passively cooled (which was one of the major selling points of the screen).
My 2019 MacBook Pro drove me insane with its constant fan noise, so when I picked up the M1 Air it was absolutely incredible and I got spoiled by finally being able to compute in absolute silence, then when I got the M1 Max MacBook Pro I was blown away because now I could do real work, still in absolute silence - then I picked up the M1 Ultra Studio and it makes noise non-stop - very quiet noise - but, still, it felt like a massive step backwards. Especially as I found the timbre of the Studio's whine really annoying.
My work office has high ambient noise and I'm sure that there I could use a studio there and not hear a thing and would probably think everyone who is whining is crazy, but I absolutely love my completely silent home office and now that I have absolute silence I'm not going back.
dumastudetto
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orionquest
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Serious? Why would they? How does it serve their purpose, pro apps, different files type.. etc etc. etc..
dumastudetto
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In my experience, iPad Pro works great as the command centre of my entire ecosystem.
The Apple Pro Display XDR is not completely passively cooled. There are two fans inside.
[ PDF.
"... In most usage scenarios, the fans are inaudible from user position, operating at up to 16 dBA in typical room conditions. In contrast, most reference displays operate at much higher decibel levels, up to 40 dBA in some models. ... "
Also
" 9. Remove the fans and AC power inlet. ..."
PDF https://www.apple.com/recycling/recycler-guides/pdf/products/Pro_Display_XDR_Recycling_English.pdf ]
The fans are more for color uniformity on some relatively moderate heat sources as opposed to trying to cool something that is relatively hot. So the noise level is very low. However, it is not passive. At reasonable distances and orientation of the monitor it isn't a problem for anything other than "princess and the pea" kinds of contexts.
Wow that's interesting. I absolutely can't hear anything from it.
I guess being completely unable to hear 16 dB in a 20 dB room is probably a lot like being unable to hear the 25 dB studio in a 30 dB room.
I didn’t know that Apple published recycling guides. Cool.
Hope they didn’t make one of the guys who designed/engineered it write that guide, though. That one image that’s basically “just jam a screwdriver into the side of the panel and snap it up…” *shudder*
MBHockey
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Agreed. this is why i think this whole thread is dumb. If you are in AV, how in the world is your top priority "computer noise level" when picking a workstation.
gtfo.
orionquest
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That doesn't resolve the OP request. You have a thing to manage another thing, first you need the thing to manage..🤷♂️