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Criminal Investigation of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Spurred by Apple Requests

JasonDBagChen said:
Uh... read any website with reader comments about this whole fiasco and you will see that people overwhelmingly side with Apple on this.
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Well then that must mean they are right! After all mob rules right?

andromedanovula said:
Even if the "finder" did call Apple it is not enough:.
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In your opinion. Who are you to say what "enough" is? Apple KNEW they were missing the phone and still blew him off when he called in. And now they are making a giant drama out of it in order to show "who is boss". It could have ended so much sooner if some common sense was exhibited like say putting out a notice to the call center agents to route calls about found devices to Corporate Care etc.
 
coleridge78 said:
With all due respect (since you seem sensible)... fear of the consequences is sometimes the only thing left to restrain that small fringe who seem to lack a conscience and empathy and cannot acknowledge that it's wrong to steal from, harm, and defame others.
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Sometimes, yes. In other circumstances, see the following:

Anuba said:
So what you're really saying is that you want Apple to suffer maximum damage? You -do- realize that this will be the outcome, right?

Apple thrives on an image as a cool company, but after this, they will look about as cool as Metallica post-Napster. In case you haven't noticed the pattern, the general public always roots for the underdog, not the party that happens to have the law on its side (that's largely irrelevant in David vs. Goliath scenarios), especially if that party is a big corporation. Jason Chen will achieve Robin Hood status and Apple will be remembered as nazis. Sounds pretty much like the opposite of what you want.
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Anuba said:
So what you're really saying is that you want Apple to suffer maximum damage? You -do- realize that this will be the outcome, right?

Apple thrives on an image as a cool company, but after this, they will look about as cool as Metallica post-Napster. In case you haven't noticed the pattern, the general public always roots for the underdog, not the party that happens to have the law on its side (that's largely irrelevant in David vs. Goliath scenarios), especially if that party is a big corporation. Jason Chen will achieve Robin Hood status and Apple will be remembered as nazis. Sounds pretty much like the opposite of what you want.
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Well I'm part of the general public and I'm rooting for Apple this time! F@ckers stole their prototype and purposely dissected it with under a microscope with every detail for the world to see, f@ckers are gonna pay, lol Hopefully, Apple won't be too nasty though.
 
canadan said:
Well I'm part of the general public and I'm rooting for Apple this time! F@ckers stole their prototype and purposely dissected it with under a microscope with every detail for the world to see, f@ckers are gonna pay, lol Hopefully, Apple won't be too nasty though.
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I don't think Apple has to be nasty. I just hope the judge is.
 
chembox said:
Gasp, you know too much!
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At first I was being sarcastic--there was nothing else left to do with your trolling. But suddenly, when addressing this topic, you sound coherent and not at all like a 12-year-old impaired by a thimbleful of beer, or possibly too many M&Ms... I'm starting to wonder if I stumbled onto something after all!
 
I don't understand all the stupid sensationalists who continue alleging "Apple spurred the investigation," many journalists included.

What happens when something gets stolen from you? You report it to the police, the police investigate. Hmmm, sounds pretty familiar, right? Oh no wait, Apple instead hired the police themselves and now the police report directly to Apple and follow their command.

My God, I honestly question peoples intelligence at times. It just amazes me how wrapped up people are into their childish biases that they fling dirt around aimlessly like a bunch of chimps. Thats honestly the only way to describe people at times, they are just so arrogant and obnoxious most of the time its amazing.
 
coleridge78 said:
At first I was being sarcastic--there was nothing else left to do with your trolling. But suddenly, when addressing this topic, you sound coherent and not at all like a 12-year-old impaired by a thimbleful of beer, or possibly too many M&Ms... I'm starting to wonder if I stumbled onto something after all!
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And you are accusing somebody else of trolling? ...with that post??
 
JasonDBagChen said:
And you are accusing somebody else of trolling? ...with that post??
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I don't like him either...but you are the most obvious troll in troll history with the username you chose.

I can't believe the mods have allowed it...shows the inconsistency of rule enforcement here.
 
schindele87 said:
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You need to post the link, HTML code doesn't work.
 
Millah said:
I don't understand all the stupid sensationalists who continue alleging "Apple spurred the investigation," many journalists included.

What happens when something gets stolen from you? You report it to the police, the police investigate. Hmmm, sounds pretty familiar, right? Oh no wait, Apple instead hired the police themselves and now the police report directly to Apple and follow their command.
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Yes, I totally agree with you. At least if it's something valueable like this. And if the police sees the "thief" screeming around that he has the object stolen and showing off with it ... What else would one do than to go to him and investigate.
 
Millah said:
I don't understand all the stupid sensationalists who continue alleging "Apple spurred the investigation," many journalists included.

What happens when something gets stolen from you? You report it to the police, the police investigate. Hmmm, sounds pretty familiar, right? Oh no wait, Apple instead hired the police themselves and now the police report directly to Apple and follow their command.

My God, I honestly question peoples intelligence at times. It just amazes me how wrapped up people are into their childish biases that they fling dirt around aimlessly like a bunch of chimps. Thats honestly the only way to describe people at times, they are just so arrogant and obnoxious most of the time its amazing.
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You are acting exactly the same way you accuse others of. But of course since you think you are right you view yourself as sensible and others as stupid.

You dramatized the point of Apple having influence to make it sound absurd. Apple having influence over REACT is NOT the same thing as the police being under total Apple control. It's obvious a normal citizen does not get this level of intensity in their investigations...yet a huge, rich and politically powerful company does. That is not unintelligent...arrogant....nor obnoxious to point out.
 
pastparticiple said:
Well then that must mean they are right! After all mob rules right?

In your opinion. Who are you to say what "enough" is? Apple KNEW they were missing the phone and still blew him off when he called in. And now they are making a giant drama out of it in order to show "who is boss". It could have ended so much sooner if some common sense was exhibited like say putting out a notice to the call center agents to route calls about found devices to Corporate Care etc.
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Any unbiased person can see that calling Customer Service is not a reasonable effort. There are actions that could have been taken by the finder to get the phone back, most obviously contacting the bar to see if anyone had asked about it. He had it for three weeks. Is it your opinion that calling customer service constitutes a reasonable effort to return a phone? And if so, is the next logical action after striking out with customer service to sell the phone to a blog?

In addition, the finder could have simply lied to Gizmodo about calling Apple. So we have no idea if he called, however, if he did then Apple will surely know his identity since they issued him a ticket number right?

And I find very suspect that the finder knew who the owner was but went right to Apple and "tried" to contact them to return it. Hell, even using the standard format for Apple email address and trying to contact him that way since he presumably couldn't get his number at Apple.

gpowell@apple.com
graypowell@apple.com

Those would have been on my list of things to do.
 
neilah1 said:
There's a real possibility that Apple Engineer Powell's job is on the line here.

Ever wonder if his chances of keeping his job is tied to his claim that the phone was stolen?

The outside law firm referenced in the article may NOT be Apple's, but may be Powell's own doing to KEEP his job.

I've got $5 that says this is very likely.
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This is what I'm thinking. If he got drunk and lost the phone through negligence then he's definitely fired. If he can show someone stole the phone from him (and not this he left it, someone found it bs), but actually lifted the phone from him then he probably gets to keep his job.
 
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The First Amendment doesn't apply here - the alleged crime took place before Gizmodo posted any information regarding the iPhone. They made no attempt to contact the owner, they made no attempt to contact anyone in the bar about the phone, and (knowing the original finder of the iPhone made no such attempts themselves) they paid money to acquire the iPhone. There is the crime, and the publishing of the story (by Gizmodo), yes, puts Gizmodo in the clear. The individual who actually paid the money (and possibly the individual who received the money) is the one who willingly paid for property they KNEW did not belong to the seller. Anyone offered this sort of "unknown" property could be charged with trafficking in stolen goods.
 
SkippyThorson said:
Now this is just getting way too blown up. No other leaked products from any other company would cause this. Not at this level.
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I dont know about products but leaked information sure can all the way to the supreme court..anyone remember the Browser Wars..it was just a few email messages...
 
pastparticiple said:
I disagree...and I am not wrong simply because you think so.
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Why do you disagree? I have offered numerous reasons why it is not a reasonable effort and all you do is pull the fanboy card. Or "My opinion isn't wrong because it is my opinion." Well sorry to break it to you, yes can be wrong if you can't provide any backing for your claim.

Why should calling customer service be considered a reasonable effort?
 
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