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News flash, Microsoft HAS done the similar things many times in the past, along with MANY other corporations, and guess what no one ever paid any attention to it. Only when Apple does these things, THEN everyone pays attention and is sensationalizing every single bit of it.

Things like this happen every day. For other companies, the media could care less, but when it involves Apple, then its Apple being a "bully" and abusing their power.

The double standards among people is just incredible. Such hypocrites. The media and trolls on the internet in general have become OBSESSED with trying to make Apple look bad.

This is so true. It's like the analogy of the Creative Quiet kid in class in high school. People him because he dares to be different. Same thing with apple. Your post is so true. But the funny thing is that the trolls don't realize that their negativity is giving apple more press. Because any publicity is good publicity
 
Yeah I know, it's a jungle... hard to locate the actual news content. It's the same when I go to American sites and all I find is videos of gun-toting, Acapulco shirt clad fatties repeating "I'll use my credit card" and "universal healthcare is national socialism" ad nauseum. ;)

Yeah, it can be hard to browse the web when it's dark 9 months a year.
 
Do you understand business? This phone worth hundreds of million dollars in sales. They've spend millions in research alone. With hundreds of people working from design, research to sale. You can't be that simple minded. Can you :confused:

Yeah, you mind pointing out just how this is going to cost Apple? If anything, they're benefiting tremendously by the increased hype, and sneak peek at a product vastly superior to anything on the market, which should hurt Android sales in the runup to, and aftermath of, the July release.

The feature-set in the new phone is not unexpected, the software has already been released in SDK form and preview to developers, and the technology in the handset itself is nothing earth-shattering. Even the design has been out in the open for months now - see the picture posted from China.

Even if the phone were as-yet unrecovered, it's not like Apple would be unable to make their deadlines without it. This is overkill - plain and simple.
 
THIS WHOLE THING is getting more and more redundant and ridiculous... This is worse than the Balloon Boy saga... Seriously, can we STOP with the news updates on this?
 
Where do you get the idea I care about your consideration of anything?

This is pretty funny. You don't think this comment is adversarial?

This is how debates work. I am not closed minded. If you have an argument to offer I am willing to listen, that is what I meant by "consider it." In other words, I would take it into account. If it is reasonable I would accept or expand on it. If it isn't I would tell you why. If you are not here to discuss without the games just move along.

I am chosing not to answer simply because of your tone. Making adversarial comments is not the way to get people to cooperate with you.

My tone? As if your holier than thou tone that you have shown throughout these forums wasn't enough, you critique my tone?

And your comments aren't?

you simply declaring that doesn't make it so.

As if I think that declaring something makes it correct! How presumptuous and adversarial!

<sarcasm>And please, where do you get off thinking I care about your cooperation!?</sarcasm>
 
I visited several today and didn't spot a single positive comment outside MR and other Mac fan sites. Here are some I found at aftonbladet.se (Sweden's largest newspaper, they normally don't write about Apple much but this raid made the front page):

"A despicable act on Apple's part, they'd better clean up their act fast. Using Mac, iPhone etc is starting to feel awkward. It's downright nauseating that Apple are actively involved in some police task force. That's the wrong way to go. Apple's image used to be anti-establishment, and now they've joined forces with Big Brother. They've gone too far."

"So these are Apple's true colors? How can they do this to a person they ignored when he first tried to return the phone? Oh well, guess it's time to boycott Apple and their future products. This is far from OK."

"I feel ashamed for owning multiple Apple products. If they can't keep track of their stuff, it's their own damn fault."

"Seriously Apple, I'm gonna have to boycott you now. This is beyond the pale."

"I own an iPhone myself, and it's alright, but it's my first and last. This whole thing makes you wonder if Apple's board of directors is made up of North Koreans, how else could they be such control freaks? A frightening and very, very SICK company."

"Using MobileMe feels so secure now... not. iPhone.... yikes... this whole thing makes me afraid of the dark."

"Journalists being prosecuted on dubious grounds, eh? Sounds like China."

"People shouldn't give their hard earned money to companies like Apple, who are notorious for exploiting people, threatening people and spreading fear at their manufacturing plants. Acquire some taste, avoid their junk."

"Apple can gain nothing from this. They're handling this situation as if they were Microsoft, and it's generating tons of negative press they hardly need at a time when they're about to release the product in question."

"This is so Apple. The Soviet Union was more honest and open than Apple."


You see, Apple has a worldwide presence and every country and culture will spin this story the way they see fit. It's like Chinese Whispers, stuff gets lost in translation, misinterpreted and/or intentionally warped. They'll add, subtract and even sneak in some of their political bias, not seldom of the anti-American, anti-corporate variety.

Out of the 75 million iPhones sold around the world, most were bought by regular joes who are neither Apple fans nor tech news junkies. Therefore their impression of this story will not be filtered through brand loyalty or any deeper understanding of the technical and legal issues, they'll just soak up the basic narrative of Apple using the police to destroy bloggers, Big Brother style.


That couldn't be representative. Swedes really aren't that stupid.
 
I am not debating you. I am stating my opinion. I have no interest in "arguing" with some anonymous internet expert. Clearly you want engagement because you keep demanding that I answer you or prove my views. Not interested skippy :)
 
I am not debating you. I am stating my opinion. I have no interest in "arguing" with some anonymous internet expert.

There is a word for people who apparently hang around only to offer deliberately uninformed and misleading mis-statements of fact disguised as "opinion", and have no interest in discussing why they apparently "believe" the things they do.
 
Then why are you here? You have stated your opinion. Why not move along?

I don't need your approval to be in a public forum. How about YOU move along? That works better for me :)

And surprise surprise coleridge is on my case again. Gee how unexpected.
 
You do enjoy remaining in one place... under one bridge...

Oh how clever...or not. The misapplied "troll" label is a forum staple. Some guy picking a username playing in Chen's name is blatantly trolling and you don't say a word....yet you continue on my case because you decided you don't like me. Weak.
 
I don't need your approval to be in a public forum. How about YOU move along? That works better for me :)

And surprise surprise coleridge is on my case again. Gee how unexpected.

Look, a helpful tip intended with no condescension in case you aren't a troll or astroturfer: people rarely get on your case if you speak plainly to them and offer some more-or-less reasonable rationale for your opinions. When you just state your "opinions", some of which are actually assertion of fact that are incorrect and decline to discuss them, you're just being a pontificating ass. That's what blogs are for, not forums. In an ideal world...
 
Look, a helpful tip intended with no condescension in case you aren't a troll or astroturfer: people rarely get on your case if you speak plainly to them and offer some more-or-less reasonable rationale for your opinions. When you just state your "opinions", some of which are actually assertion of fact that are incorrect and decline to discuss them, you're just being a pontificating ass. That's what blogs are for, not forums. In an ideal world...

Cole this is guy is not worth it. Dont feed him. :apple: If we ignore him he will go away.
 
Oh how clever...or not. The misapplied "troll" label is a forum staple. Some guy picking a username playing in Chen's name is blatantly trolling and you don't say a word....yet you continue on my case because you decided you don't like me. Weak.

Obvious wonkos like that are easy to ignore. It's apples and oranges.
 
If you see a missing item left behind, why not leave it with the supervisor of the bar and let them know it was left behind by a patron.

When people have left behind stuff I just turn it into the place of business and let them know.


The whole thing smells of foulplay.
 
I just watched Countdown with Keith Olberman on MSNBC. Keith had guest Jonathan Turley, a professor of law at The George Washington University Law School, on to talk about the iPhone situation and the search warrant served on Jason Chen. The main question of the interview was whether or not Jason Chen and Gizmodo are protected due to laws protecting journalists. I felt Turley did a good job of touching on multiple points of view but, bottom line, it was his opinion that due to the CRIMINAL nature of the investigation, it is likely that the search warrant will stand as valid. So, one more legal mind siding with the San Mateo DA.

My favorite bit of Turley's interview was when Olberman asked if Jason Chen was a journalist and Turley's initial response was, "If he is, he's not a very good one!" :D

Mark
 
Look, a helpful tip intended with no condescension in case you aren't a troll or astroturfer: people rarely get on your case if you speak plainly to them and offer some more-or-less reasonable rationale for your opinions. When you just state your "opinions", some of which are actually assertion of fact that are incorrect and decline to discuss them, you're just being a pontificating ass. That's what blogs are for, not forums. In an ideal world...

I am amazed at the assumption I want your "tips". Far too many of you assume you are in some position to teach others. This is not your private fifedom.

Far too many people ALSO assume lack of condemnation for Gizmodo's actions equals support of theft. I do not see it as black and white as some of you yet you cast a massive blankt assumption on those who don't agree with you hook, line and sinker. Get over it...not everyone is as impressed with you as you are.
 
That couldn't be representative. Swedes really aren't that stupid.
It's very much representative (feel free to check at http://www.aftonbladet.se/pryl/article7028858.ab, although it's all in Swedish so good luck with the translation), and it's not about stupidity but rather a very strong anti-corporate consensus. Swedes are fairly rich and live capitalist lives, but they haven't noticed yet so they somehow manage to be capitalists in practice but socialists in spirit. They bought half a million iPhones (which, considering the population is only 9 million, makes the iPhone proportionately more popular in Sweden than the US) yet the anti-Apple sentiments run very strong.

The anti-corporate stance is reflected in the media as well, the article itself really wasn't that different from the comments (Apple = gestapo, Chen = victim, more or less).
 
jail the punks! all of them!

I don't really know why, but I find Jason Chen's behavior very irritating. I think because it was selfish to keep the phone and then make the world aware of it. Oh well, it is "just" a phone after all. lol
 
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