Criminal Investigation of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Spurred by Apple Requests

[andromedanovula]

justify this.

how? and how much?

Costs of not sold iPhone 3Gs bc. customer are waiting for new iPhone
Costs of organization/events changes
etc.

How much? Suppose now that the technique of the iPhone 3Gs is "old", 35 % of the selling price of the phones, approx. 210 Dollars on avg. price of 600 $, times X thousand = ??? a lot of money

 

[pastparticiple]

Not a surprise; your belief in "finders keepers" does put you in the right age bracket. Pair it with your "she had it coming with those beers and her short skirt" ethics and you're a regular trailer park Charlie Brown.

I never said "finders keepers" either. You assumed that from my lack of condemnation and saying I don't think gizmodo did anything wrong.

You are creating your own little fantasy debate here...it's not coming from my words.

Saying he was not a victim because he got drunk and left a phone at the bar does not equal "it is ok for someone to steal his phone because he was drunk"...that is totally a manufactured assumption.

He got drunk....left his phone. Nobody snuck it out of his pocket while he was chugging a beer. Nor did he deserve that to happen, nor did I ever say that. Just stop...it's ridiculous.

 

[JohnDoe98]

Well, but they can sue Giz for that. Of course the judge will/can say its partly Apples fault ("you left the key in the engine") but still the "finder" and the dealer will/can get a (huge) fine etc.

And respectfully, that's a waste of the judicial resources. Apple should simply suck it up and take greater precautions next time. They were negligent; end of story. If I leave my keys in my car, with the doors open and the engine running, the insurances not cover my loses. I wouldn't expect the police to waste resources owing to my irresponsibility. Let them deal with more pressing and necessary cases, i.e. cases that could have been avoided had a little common sense been employed.

 

[coleridge78]

I never said "finders keepers" either. You assumed that from my lack of condemnation and saying I don't think gizmodo did anything wrong.

You are creating your own little fantasy debate here...it's not coming from my words.

OK. What is the third path that is neither "gizmodo did something wrong" nor "finder's keepers"?

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Sorry to yell, but IT DOESN'T MATTER IF CHEN PICKED UP THE PHONE IN THE BAR! HE BOUGHT, OR FACILITATED THE PURCHASE OF, STOLEN PROPERTY.

For the sake of humanity, please stop!

Just put him on your ignore list (he made mine a looong time ago.)

 

[JohnDoe98]

You're simply a liar. Here's the quote:



You said he wasn't a victim, because he was "smashed". Quite succinctly. This was just the most recent example.

He said he wasn't a victim because he was smashed and irresponsible. Way to truncate things arbitrarily in your favor.

 

[andromedanovula]

And respectfully, that's a waste of the judicial resources. Apple should simply suck it up and take greater precautions next time. They were negligent; end of story. If I leave my keys in my car, with the doors open and the engine running, the insurances not cover my loses. I wouldn't expect the police to waste resources owing to my irresponsibility. Let them deal with more pressing and necessary cases, i.e. cases that could have been avoided had a little common sense been employed.

True, but when the thief or the dealer cry about your car and showing it off the police will investigate and you will ask for the car back and you will probably sue the thief and the dealer. I would.

 

[ioinc]

Costs of not sold iPhone 3Gs bc. customer are waiting for new iPhone
Costs of organization/events changes
etc.

How much? Suppose now that the technique of the iPhone 3Gs is "old", 35 % of the selling price of the phones, approx. 210 Dollars on avg. price of 600 $, times X thousand = ??? a lot of money

So you think the people that follow this kind of story already knew that apple was on the verge of releasing a new phone. This forum for example... everyone on it knew that the new iPhone was coming out.

I doubt this story had any real impact on iPhone 3gs sales... i don't buy that.

Why does this impact the cos of organization or events at all?

I don't see any financial impact at all on this.

In fact, I think you could make the argument that apple gets a win from the publicity

 

[Anuba]

I think this was discussed several times already.

Yes, and it will be discussed a zillion times more unless you all realize that half of you are using the words stolen/theft/thief in the strictly legal sense as outlined by California state law, and the other is using them in the informal, daily speech sort of way, where "thief" means a person with a criminal lifestyle, not one-time finders keepers, and "steal" means actively snatching something from under someone's nose, not the passive act of failing to make sure an abandoned thingamabob is returned to its rightful owner.

To complicate matters further, MR has readers from many different countries, and some of those countries (mine included) have a separate legal term for the act of finding something and not returning it, so when you keep referring to the act as "theft" and the subject as a "thief" in conversations with people from said countries, they'll think your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor.

 

[JohnDoe98]

True, but when the thief or the dealer cry about your car and showing it off the police will investigate and you will ask for the car back and you will probably sue the thief and the dealer. I would.

And I'd tell you that you were wrong in so doing. Your irresponsibility, in this hypothetical, lead others to capitalize given the opportunity and burning temptation. Had you not been so careless, then the others would not have committed a crime. In my book you are to blame not them. It's like putting candy in a front of a baby's mouth and not expecting them to eat it. What can you expect given human nature? The only responsible solution is not to let that desire arise in the first place.

 

[cmvsm]

No, it isn't.

Mind you, it's not as clear cut as a second story man, but the information out there doesn't paint him as a particularly ethical or law abiding citizen.

Is the guy ethical? Who knows...who cares...maybe not, but last I checked, you don't get investigated for cheating on a spelling test. Tell me what law he broke? When you find money on the street...penny, quarter, dollar, 5-spot...whatever, I highly doubt you go running down the block yelling out looking for the rightful owner. You place it in your pocket and keep walking, and not have a second thought about the ethical law enforcement chasing behind you. You deem it your 'lucky' day, just like this guy did.

 

[JohnDoe98]

LOL, brilliantly said.

Yes, and it will be discussed a zillion times more unless you all realize that half of you are using the words stolen/theft/thief in the strictly legal sense as outlined by California state law, and the other is using them in the informal, daily speech sort of way, where "thief" means a person with a criminal lifestyle, not one-time finders keepers, and "steal" means actively snatching something from under someone's nose, not the passive act of failing to make sure an abandoned thingamabob is returned to its rightful owner.

To complicate matters further, MR has readers from many different countries, and some of those countries (mine included) have a separate legal term for the act of finding something and not returning it, so when you keep referring to the act as "theft" and the subject as a "thief" in conversations with people from said countries, they'll think your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor.

 

[Dammit Cubs]

This Chen guy needs Matlock!!!!!

Where's Matlock!!!!????.....TO THE RESCUE!!!

 

[pastparticiple]

You're simply a liar. Here's the quote:



You said he wasn't a victim, because he was "smashed". Quite succinctly. This was just the most recent example.

No that's not what I said...that's what you turned it into. I am finished with you...find someone else's ankles to bite at.

 

[powers74]

intent

Controlled leak, eh?

Is the guy ethical? Who knows...who cares...maybe not, but last I checked, you don't get investigated for cheating on a spelling test. Tell me what law he broke? When you find money on the street...penny, quarter, dollar, 5-spot...whatever, I highly doubt you go running down the block yelling out looking for the rightful owner. You place it in your pocket and keep walking, and not have a second thought about the ethical law enforcement chasing behind you. You deem it your 'lucky' day, just like this guy did.

This item is, arguably, worth millions. Not like finding a five spot. More like finding a briefcase full of cash.

 

[JohnDoe98]

Controlled leak, eh?

Unlikely because of the police involvement.

 

[FelixDerKater]

Planned or unplanned leak, the iPhone is on a slow train to the grave. Too many superior Android phones are going to come out too quickly for Apple to compete. Annual updates are no longer enough.

 

[tingly]

And I'd tell you that you were wrong in so doing. Your irresponsibility, in this hypothetical, lead others to capitalize given the opportunity and burning temptation. Had you not been so careless, then the others would not have committed a crime. In my book you are to blame not them. It's like putting candy in a front of a baby's mouth and not expecting them to eat it. What can you expect given human nature? The only responsible solution is not to let that desire arise in the first place.

Burning temptation is not a defense. If I see keys in an unlocked car, I'm not taking a joyride. Cops leave cars like that to find car thieves, not even close to entrapment. Apple did blow their responsibility, but it doesn't absolve what happened afterwards.

 

[andromedanovula]

So you think the people that follow this kind of story already knew that apple was on the verge of releasing a new phone. This forum for example... everyone on it knew that the new iPhone was coming out.

I doubt this story had any real impact on iPhone 3gs sales... i don't buy that.

Why does this impact the cos of organization or events at all?

I don't see any financial impact at all on this.

In fact, I think you could make the argument that apple gets a win from the publicity

A lot of people knew that a new iPhone was coming. But there are a lot "not knowing" people out there. I know a lot of my friends didn't know about it, bc. they are not so well informed and interested. They don't know that Apple has a product cycle of approx. a year for the iPhone or iPods. But we will see. Maybe nothing happens at all. It certainly is a publicity for Apple but I doubt that a judge would hold that as a favour??

 

[NiteWaves77]

I'd love to see that fat lipped mongrel punched in the face and sent to work for Weekly World News cleaning toilets.

 

[pastparticiple]

I'd love to see that fat lipped mongrel punched in the face and sent to work for Weekly World News cleaning toilets.

Stay classy

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Apple is the Microsoft of the 90s.

Yeah, and Microsoft are the monopolistic robber-barrens of the 1800s.

So what's you point?

 

[andromedanovula]

And I'd tell you that you were wrong in so doing. Your irresponsibility, in this hypothetical, lead others to capitalize given the opportunity and burning temptation. Had you not been so careless, then the others would not have committed a crime. In my book you are to blame not them. It's like putting candy in a front of a baby's mouth and not expecting them to eat it. What can you expect given human nature? The only responsible solution is not to let that desire arise in the first place.

Again true. But I do not think he did attend to lose it. He was drunk. And I don't think that any judge would say it's only Apples or the eng. fault.

California’s penal code, section 485:

One who finds lost property under circumstances which give him
knowledge of or means of inquiry as to the true owner, and who
appropriates such property to his own use, or to the use of another
person not entitled thereto, without first making reasonable and just
efforts to find the owner and to restore the property to him, is
guilty of theft.

California’s civil code, section 2080.1:

If the owner is unknown or has not claimed the property, the person
saving or finding the property shall, if the property is of the value
of one hundred dollars ($100) or more, within a reasonable time turn
the property over to the police department of the city or city and
county, if found therein, or to the sheriff’s department of the
county if found outside of city limits, and shall make an affidavit,
stating when and where he or she found or saved the property,
particularly describing it.

 

[JohnDoe98]

Burning temptation is not a defense. If I see keys in an unlocked car, I'm not taking a joyride. Cops leave cars like that to find car thieves, not even close to entrapment. Apple did blow their responsibility, but it doesn't absolve what happened afterwards.

I'm not mounting a legal defense, I'm mounting a moral defense. If you thought you would get away with it, and if you thought you would benefit from it, you would commit a crime. So yeah, it should absolve what happened afterwards. Or if you don't think it should be absolved, then Apple should be held to greater a punishment than those who erred because of them.

 

[andromedanovula]

Planned or unplanned leak, the iPhone is on a slow train to the grave. Too many superior Android phones are going to come out too quickly for Apple to compete. Annual updates are no longer enough.

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