CSS Animation Coming to Safari, Already in iPhone. Less Dependence on Flash?

[russ99]

As a web developer it would be nice to have more features in CSS, but like others have said I have to make a website the works and looks the same in all browsers and IE. If IE would just die my life would be so much easier, but we know that isn't going to happen so I have to keep crippling my ideas / innovation for website design because of IE.

I do think flash is pretty crap, overweight, beast... so if all browsers support a nice new CSS / HTML standard I would be in web dev heaven!

As a designer, there's no way anything involving coding is going to replace such a powerful and well put-together design environment like Flash. This is just developers trying to take over and water down the design process, as usual.

I think Flash is awesome, and not overweight and a beast, if created and implemented properly. I do agree some people go overboard, though. And it's a shame it doesn't have the same overall acceptance here in the U.S. than in other countries.

And if so many devices, including ones with less powerful processors support Flash Lite, there's no reason Apple can't, other than that they want to control what goes on their system.

 

[seanhess]

Umm.... no. The whole reason I want flash on my iphone is to view sites that are already written in flash, not to introduce a way for some idiot to animate my web pages. As others have said introducing another animation technology is not going to take us anywhere.

And what about applications? Flash isn't just about banner ads, people. I'm a full-time flex developer and the demand for flex in business and commerce is HUGE. It would take years and compromises that won't happen to bring html/css/js to a point where it can compare with flex for developing RIAs.

So... yeah, dumb idea, and my prediction is -- no one will ever really use it.

 

[dizzy13]

Funny to see web developers rip'n on flash guys and the flash guys rip'n on web devs

Guess it's just human nature. Only time will tell, but if I was a betting man standards are what are going to win out in the big scope, although flash isn't going to go away completely.

 

[seanhess]

Funny to see web developers rip'n on flash guys and the flash guys rip'n on web devs

Well, I do both, and would never want to see either go away. But neither would I want to use html and css for some of the stuff I have to do with Flex. Not so much for the graphical capability, but because javascript lacks so much for complicated projects.

 

[ravenvii]

Heh, those CSS animations work great on Safari 4.

Jus' sayin'.

 

[indiekiduk]

Heh, those CSS animations work great on Safari 4.

Jus' sayin'.

Except CPU usage is a major problem. The leaves demo uses 90% CPU and fans go full blast!

 

[ppc750fx]

Except CPU usage is a major problem. The leaves demo uses 90% CPU and fans go full blast!

Compare and contrast to Flash where...

Oh.

Damn.

Kidding aside, CSS-based animations, etc. are still in their infancy. I expect that there will be quite a few optimizations made as the technology matures.

 

[ppc750fx]

So... yeah, dumb idea, and my prediction is -- no one will ever really use it.

'course lots of people said that about AJAX not so long ago...

As a designer, there's no way anything involving coding is going to replace such a powerful and well put-together design environment like Flash. This is just developers trying to take over and water down the design process, as usual.

Come again? If "coding" is such nonsense, what's ActionScript?

I think Flash is awesome, and not overweight and a beast, if created and implemented properly. I do agree some people go overboard, though. And it's a shame it doesn't have the same overall acceptance here in the U.S. than in other countries.

No, it's a good thing. Many US based sites are opting to use ECMAScript, (X)HTML, and CSS -- three standards for which there are a number of different implementations available -- instead of Flash, for which there is only a single vendor's implementation. (Excluding gnash -- we can count that when it's compliant with the last couple versions of the Flash spec.)

And if so many devices, including ones with less powerful processors support Flash Lite, there's no reason Apple can't, other than that they want to control what goes on their system.

I have one of those devices that supports Flash Lite (Nokia E71). It's got a 390MHz ARM chip (or thereabouts). Flash sucks on it. It's god-awful slow, and is basically unusable for anything other than small animations and banner ads. I've turned off Flash support in my browser as a matter of fact -- it makes the browser so slow and unresponsive that I'd rather do without. I am, however, able to use a number of AJAX web apps just fine.