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Curious, why did you buy a MBP 15" instead of Envy 15"?
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In addition to everything mentioned here (better OS, better battery life, better build quality, etc.)... the HP also LOOKS like crap. I think the worst thing about the design is the ugly vents on the sides. And the "ant trails" on the top of the laptop and around the trackpad. Plus, the trackpad is not centered; it looks astray. I also like that Apple uses a single shiny aluminum color for their MacBook Pros. The Envy has some dark gray colors, light gray colors. And it's just not nice-looking.
This is exactly what I've been doing for years. Apple PowerBooks/MacBook Pros & ThinkPads are the two finest laptops available.
Being platform neutral I have enjoyed each of these brands for their individual strengths. Since ThinkPads are designed to run two hard drives I typically have Windows 7 on one drive and Ubuntu Linux on the other.
While I could do the same on my Mac laptops, it's not quite as easy and convenient.
Because I have a need for an optical drive from time to time, the ThinkPad's ultra slim bay is designed for swapping whatever device (hard drive, optical drive, battery, etc) you have in the bay, in less than 10 seconds. It's very convenient.
Probably what they do with a lot of their consumer products: quality will go downhill.
But let's face it: absent a buyout, Palm would probably have died.
Their wide-format printers are pretty good too. However, when they die and are out of warranty, you're SOL. They'd much rather you buy a new one, though if you look locally, there are occasionally some HP business resellers who can service it for you.
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Xcode was pretty much it for me, and let me tell you I am happy I did, this is hands down the best laptop I have bought in a REALLY long time. I still have my C2D XPS which I use for windows dev and I just put windows 7 on it and I only use it when I REALLY have to.
Xcode was pretty much it for me, and let me tell you I am happy I did, this is hands down the best laptop I have bought in a REALLY long time. I still have my C2D XPS which I use for windows dev and I just put windows 7 on it and I only use it when I REALLY have to.
I remember Dells (Inspiron?) from 12 years ago having this feature... very useful to switch out optical/HD/battery universal bay.
Of course, Dell 12 years ago was a decent company, and have pretty much gone to crap since then.
Apple has been getting better and better since. Agree with MBP or ThinkPad. Everything else out there is clunky.
Curious, why did you buy a MBP 15" instead of Envy 15"?
Because the girl sitting opposite me in the library using her Envy said she bought it because it suited her Prada bag.
Because the girl sitting opposite me in the library using her Envy said she bought it because it suited her Prada bag.
Because I wanted Apple, and because despite the more Apple-like design, I still think it looks like sh*t compared to an MBP.
1.) It looks like a fugly rip-off of the MBP unibody designs
2.) I'm suspicious about battery life really being all that. I get up to 9 hours on my MBP, and that's after over half a year of heavy use. Beat that, envy.
3.) OS X.
4.) Wondering if the fans run as silent, I can't hear my macbook at all most of the time, even after prolonged use. Don't know if the envy would run as quiet.
2.) I'm suspicious about battery life really being all that. I get up to 9 hours on my MBP, and that's after over half a year of heavy use. Beat that, envy.
3.) OS X.
4.) Wondering if the fans run as silent, I can't hear my macbook at all most of the time, even after prolonged use. Don't know if the envy would run as quiet.
I am a previous HP loyal customer who now buys exclusively Apple. I had two different HP laptops, and have had a slew of desktops (I think it's been 4 in the last 7 years) and it seems like my HP computers had about a 2 year life, if I got lucky.
I got out of the HP laptop game with the first generation Air. I went from a 17 inch HP laptop with the 10-key counter to the MBA for only one reason: my HP was too big and I wanted the most portable laptop on the market. That turned out to be the Air. I ended up not using it nearly as much as I wanted until the last 6 months. During that time, I became very depressed with the battery life. On a vacation with my wife in March of this year, we used it to watch tv shows in our room at night...and we could barely get through a 1 hour episode of Dexter (this was despite having had Apple test it before we left and was told a new battery would be a waste of money, it tested as near perfect).
I had an HP desktop at home that I had purchased last July...it was their top of the line at Best Buy at the time. I started thinking that there had to be a better solution to having a badass laptop with no battery life and a work-horse desktop I couldn't take anywhere and would probably only last me another 15 months (based on previous experience).
What I ended up with was a new i7 15inch MBP with Windows 7 running through Parallels for my own personal psychological security (though I'm proud to say I haven't started Parallels up in over 2 weeks now). I get a laptop that is weighted out as a middle ground between my old HP 17 inch and my Air. I also exponentially added battery life. I was able to eBay my Air and sell my HP desktop to a friend to cover a lot of my cost.
I will say that my feeling of comfort in only having 1 machine now is amazing...and it helps that it's an amazing machine! I have played around with the Envy at Best Buy, and while it might sound superficial, I cannot for the life of me envision that being my primary and solitary computer. Just can't do it. I decked out my MBP with all the "protective accessories" (no lie...hard shell cover, keypad cover, wristpad cover) and this thing leaves the house with me every day and gets used to hell and back every night when I'm at home. My wife and I can now lie in bed and watch a 1 hour television show on this thing and when I go to put it on my desk I'm at 75% battery life left.
I absolutely love OSX being my primary operating system. I had an original fear of having no Windows option in my home, but as stated above, it's use is fading away and quickly. I feel that I have a machine that will last me 4 years or so, and based on my HP experience, I'm going to come out whole financially (buying 2 separate $2000 laptops in the same time frame from HP would actually put me in the hole).
All in all it's personal preference. Why am I a fanatical fanboy for electing to spend more money on what I had heard and read was a superior product? You can shove all the features you want to into a GM SUV and it's still not going to be more reliable than a Lexus. Period. You don't pay a premium (and certainly not an Apple premium) to "fit in". You don't pay a premium to "look cool". While some people might, I'd say the vast majority of people that buy from Apple do it because they haven't been burned by shoddy products and shoddy service and feel that they are getting every penny's worth when they turn over their debit card number.
I got out of the HP laptop game with the first generation Air. I went from a 17 inch HP laptop with the 10-key counter to the MBA for only one reason: my HP was too big and I wanted the most portable laptop on the market. That turned out to be the Air. I ended up not using it nearly as much as I wanted until the last 6 months. During that time, I became very depressed with the battery life. On a vacation with my wife in March of this year, we used it to watch tv shows in our room at night...and we could barely get through a 1 hour episode of Dexter (this was despite having had Apple test it before we left and was told a new battery would be a waste of money, it tested as near perfect).
I had an HP desktop at home that I had purchased last July...it was their top of the line at Best Buy at the time. I started thinking that there had to be a better solution to having a badass laptop with no battery life and a work-horse desktop I couldn't take anywhere and would probably only last me another 15 months (based on previous experience).
What I ended up with was a new i7 15inch MBP with Windows 7 running through Parallels for my own personal psychological security (though I'm proud to say I haven't started Parallels up in over 2 weeks now). I get a laptop that is weighted out as a middle ground between my old HP 17 inch and my Air. I also exponentially added battery life. I was able to eBay my Air and sell my HP desktop to a friend to cover a lot of my cost.
I will say that my feeling of comfort in only having 1 machine now is amazing...and it helps that it's an amazing machine! I have played around with the Envy at Best Buy, and while it might sound superficial, I cannot for the life of me envision that being my primary and solitary computer. Just can't do it. I decked out my MBP with all the "protective accessories" (no lie...hard shell cover, keypad cover, wristpad cover) and this thing leaves the house with me every day and gets used to hell and back every night when I'm at home. My wife and I can now lie in bed and watch a 1 hour television show on this thing and when I go to put it on my desk I'm at 75% battery life left.
I absolutely love OSX being my primary operating system. I had an original fear of having no Windows option in my home, but as stated above, it's use is fading away and quickly. I feel that I have a machine that will last me 4 years or so, and based on my HP experience, I'm going to come out whole financially (buying 2 separate $2000 laptops in the same time frame from HP would actually put me in the hole).
All in all it's personal preference. Why am I a fanatical fanboy for electing to spend more money on what I had heard and read was a superior product? You can shove all the features you want to into a GM SUV and it's still not going to be more reliable than a Lexus. Period. You don't pay a premium (and certainly not an Apple premium) to "fit in". You don't pay a premium to "look cool". While some people might, I'd say the vast majority of people that buy from Apple do it because they haven't been burned by shoddy products and shoddy service and feel that they are getting every penny's worth when they turn over their debit card number.
Simple, Windows sucks.
PC's and Windows remind me of McDonalds.
- I used to frequent both when I was younger.
- Thankfully it's not very often anymore.
- If I do have to deal with either nowadays, I feel the same after either one... disgusted.
PC's and Windows remind me of McDonalds.
- I used to frequent both when I was younger.
- Thankfully it's not very often anymore.
- If I do have to deal with either nowadays, I feel the same after either one... disgusted.
Thanks made my point. Adding to this that the Envy isn't even out or available as much as the MBP's are is answering another question.
Myself, got burned once by a shiny HP notebook, never ever will do this again.
Because I wanted a Mac. Silly question.
Brilliant!
And I concur, that's the long and short answer.
OSX - I appreciate the ease of use and the Unix base. I also love iLife apps and lots of other pieces of software with which I've become acquainted.
Build quality, reliability, battery life, the power connector on the HP sucks. I don't need desktop power in my laptop. That's why I have an i7 980X on the desk.
Plus I have to admit I don't appreciate the knock-off nature of the Envy.. even the name is ironic. I also don't think I'd like 1920x1080 on a 15".
Note: I do have an HP netbook and it's super for what it is. But man does the power brick suck.
If anyone is considering an Envy now, hurry up while Bing still has 25% cash back with HP direct. That makes a decked out quad-Envy $1275 which is a seriously good deal.
Build quality, reliability, battery life, the power connector on the HP sucks. I don't need desktop power in my laptop. That's why I have an i7 980X on the desk.
Plus I have to admit I don't appreciate the knock-off nature of the Envy.. even the name is ironic. I also don't think I'd like 1920x1080 on a 15".
Note: I do have an HP netbook and it's super for what it is. But man does the power brick suck.
If anyone is considering an Envy now, hurry up while Bing still has 25% cash back with HP direct. That makes a decked out quad-Envy $1275 which is a seriously good deal.
I am a longtime Mac guy and haven't used a Windows machine other than as an adjunct to my Macs since 2005. Nevertheless, Windows XP was not bad and Windows 7 is really rather good. Vista, though, was a disastrous mistake, which MS could never turn into a reliable OS. Windows is still far too complex and will never become as intuitive as OS X has always been. Nevertheless, to say that Windows 7, at least, "sucks" is, to put it gently, an exaggeration.
Well i mainly switched because of OS X ...
I was in the market to buy a high end laptop since early march...
Looked at the Envy and Dell Studio XPS all of which could easily out spec the MBP at that time. (Yes , i was waiting forever for the Arrandale MBP update)
I'm so glad i did....
At the end of the day a stable OS and the great build quality of the MBP won me over , not the latest and greatest spec machine.
The OSX user experience has been great so far. Always thought even the application Icons in Macs looked great and the user interface is quite fun and easy to use..
Learning something new everyday..
Should have joined the party 5 years ago but my XP laptop had served me well...
Better late than never i guess...
I was in the market to buy a high end laptop since early march...
Looked at the Envy and Dell Studio XPS all of which could easily out spec the MBP at that time. (Yes , i was waiting forever for the Arrandale MBP update)
I'm so glad i did....
At the end of the day a stable OS and the great build quality of the MBP won me over , not the latest and greatest spec machine.
The OSX user experience has been great so far. Always thought even the application Icons in Macs looked great and the user interface is quite fun and easy to use..
Learning something new everyday..
Should have joined the party 5 years ago but my XP laptop had served me well...
Better late than never i guess...
As a multiplatformist, I use and like _both_ Win 7 Pro and OS X. My new ThinkPad W510 & 15" MacBook Pro are both top of the line laptops.
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What I find quite interesting is some peoples need to bash Windows. It must boost their self esteem to be part of the Apple ecosystem.
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My laptops are just tools I use to do work and personal computing tasks. In no way do they serve as objects to prop up my sense of self confidence. They don't have to "be cool" nor does their performance have any bearing on my happiness.
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What I find quite interesting is some peoples need to bash Windows. It must boost their self esteem to be part of the Apple ecosystem.
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My laptops are just tools I use to do work and personal computing tasks. In no way do they serve as objects to prop up my sense of self confidence. They don't have to "be cool" nor does their performance have any bearing on my happiness.