CVS Stores Reportedly Disabling NFC to Shut Down Apple Pay and Google Wallet

[Menel]

Regardless, the point I was trying to make is this whole attitude some people have regarding refusing to shop somewhere just because Apple Pay isn't supported is quickly going to come back to haunt them, as more and more businesses hold off on supporting Apple Pay.

If Walgreens joins CVS and Rite-Aid, for example, then these people will quickly be out of a place to buy medicine unless they loosen up and pay with cash and/or cards like the rest of society.

What are you, some MCX shill?

You spew pure FUD. Walgreens is an ApplePay launch partner. Entirely different situation to riteaid/cvs.

 

[spectrumfox]

Mobile payments can't be attributed to one company. Maybe one company started it but a three year old kid could look at his phone and say "it'd be awesome to use this to pay for my ice cream cone". It's an idea. So yeah Apple is copying all the companies that are already there, as much as they copied Blackberrys smartphone before the iphone was released lol

You're trying to compare two completely separate products and events, but far be it for me to burst your bubble.

 

[Noble Actual]

For now, yes. But earlier this week, people thought CVS was fully behind Apple Pay as well.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...-cvs-and-walgreens-to-mobile-payment-partners

Just saying.

CVS was never a partner of Apple Pay. They already had NFC enabled terminals that supported previous stuff like Google Wallet.

Apple Pay came along and they thought that was too much so they disabled NFC altogether.

Walgreens on the other hand is committed to Apple Pay.

 

[spectrumfox]

Read this. It would be completely idiotic for Walgreens to do an about-face on this.

What are you, some MCX shill?

You spew pure FUD. Walgreens is an ApplePay launch partner. Entirely different situation to riteaid/cvs.

I hope for your sake that you're right.

 

[simon48]

Apple wasn't the first to do mobile payments though... So technically, Apple is the one copying. Let's keep things in perspective here.

But it's not like mobile payments is the most revolutionary idea that no one had thought of. Apple is just taking a general concept and making it work really well and have mass market appeal like they do all the time. Now that's keeping it in perspective.

 

[spectrumfox]

But it's not like mobile payments is the most revolutionary idea that no one had thought of. Apple is just taking a general concept and making it work really well and have mass market appeal like they do all the time. Now that's keeping it in perspective.

The mass market appeal of Apple Pay isn't quite here yet... There's a long uphill battle ahead of them.

 

[samcraig]

What are you, some MCX shill?

You spew pure FUD. Walgreens is an ApplePay launch partner. Entirely different situation to riteaid/cvs.

Are they under contract? Is it not possible that Walgreens decides in the future to block NFC as well?

And why is someone who presents an idea that you don't like have to be a MCX shill? Seriously? Surely you can discuss these topics without making accusations that someone is on a payroll

And FUD? Yeah.. ok...

 

[3282868]

Mobile payments can't be attributed to one company. Maybe one company started it but a three year old kid could look at his phone and say "it'd be awesome to use this to pay for my ice cream cone". It's an idea. So yeah Apple is copying all the companies that are already there, as much as they copied Blackberrys smartphone before the iphone was released lol

Exactly. Let's take it one step further back. Banks that use credit cards with magnetic strips for payment are copying other banks that use magnetic strips.

-or-

Magnetic strip payments (and NFC) are a merchant agreed upon method to pay for goods and services, and companies are using this method as a legal and non-patented method.

Twisting words to fit ones biased hypothesis, fun games

 

[bushman4]

Can't
Value
Security

 

[Sonmi451]

Fir those people thinking to protest them by going to competitor, please go. It is highly unlikely to cause any debt on their revenue by doing so. Just thinking about it, of all their customer base, how many people have iPhone 6? How many people know Apple Pay and how many of these people would protest? They aren't going to reverse their decision by thousands threads of protest on MacRumors.

no but a few hundred emails might change their minds.

 

[samcraig]

Google Wallet didnt have tokenization. Google wallet predates the March 2014 EMVco tokenization standard.

It HAD no purpose except to complicate the transaction process with an extra middle-man.

ApplePay brings in entirely new levels of security.

Yadda yadda yadda. Most people who balked at Google Pay weren't concerned with security THEN. It was a simple case of not thinking it was necc because THEY didn't have or see a need for it.

Time does change. Case in point, larger iPhones.

 

[bigjohn]

Maybe because it's not really a mature product. I just did Apple Pay at Whole Foods and it was a less than expedient process. It took a couple times to initiate, a couple tries on the thumbprint, had to enter my phone pin, then I had to sign because the guy said it was over $50 ($62.72). Whole thing took about 5 minutes. Luckily the folks behind me didn't mind a bit, they had their whole weekend free to wait for me.

 

[macwino]

but again apple takes existing technology and somehow makes it something people want to use. And i don't think people want to use it just because it's apple (although there are surely some people who fall into that camp), but because it is better/more convenient/more secure/ or just happens to be timed at the tipping point of the technology. Whichever one it is, apple does have a good track record. They weren't first mp3, smartphone, tablet, payment method, etc., but they get product and timing right to achieve mass adoption.

+1

 

[jeffdavidson]

Fir those people thinking to protest them by going to competitor, please go. It is highly unlikely to cause any debt on their revenue by doing so. Just thinking about it, of all their customer base, how many people have iPhone 6? How many people know Apple Pay and how many of these people would protest? They aren't going to reverse their decision by thousands threads of protest on MacRumors.

Apple sold 10 million iPhone 6/6+ units in just the first three days after launch. Estimated sales YTD are around 20 million units. Apple’s rumored goal is to deliver 70-80 million iPhone 6/6+ devices by the end of 2014.

 

[spectrumfox]

Apple sold 10 million iPhone 6/6+ units in just the first three days after launch. Estimated sales YTD are around 20 million units. Apple’s rumored goal is to deliver 70-80 million iPhone 6/6+ devices by the end of 2014.

Yes, but not every one of those people are planning to boycott CVS and Rite-Aid just because they can't pay with their phone.

 

[Noble Actual]

The mass market appeal of Apple Pay isn't quite here yet... There's a long uphill battle ahead of them.

Thank you Sherlock.

Everyone knows that.

Apple Pay literally just came out 4 days ago. It hasn't been a week. I don't recall any other similar product having this much media coverage and use, ever.

Everyone also knows Apple Pay has the greatest chance of winning that battle compared to other similar products Google Wallet, Square, PayPal, whatever MCX group thing is doing, etc.

I think Apple Pay is a great experience and Google should really look at Google Wallet and make it like Apple Pay.

To me, using iPhone or Android for mobile payment over credit cards is a win.

 

[spectrumfox]

Thank you Sherlock.

Everyone knows that.

Apple Pay literally just came out 4 days ago. It hasn't been a week. I don't recall any other similar product having this much media coverage and use, ever.

Everyone also knows Apple Pay has the greatest chance of winning that battle compared to other similar products Google Wallet, Square, PayPal, whatever MCX group thing is doing, etc.

I think Apple Pay is a great experience and Google should really look at Google Wallet and make it like Apple Pay.

To me, using iPhone or Android for mobile payment over credit cards is a win.

Google Wallet is like Apple Pay. The only difference being Google Wallet uses a virtual debit card in order to mask and protect the user's financial data, while Apple Pay uses one-time authorization tokens.

Different means to the same end.

 

[3282868]

Yes, but not every one of those people are planning to boycott CVS and Rite-Aid just because they can't pay with their phone.

Again, this is not just about Apple Pay and iPhones, it is about corporations dictating policy by rejecting NFC payments for no other reason than to cow-tow to MCX that sells customer data to marketers while paying corporations who deal with them exclusively. This stifles progress and forces consumers to abide by their rules while the old idiom "the customer is always right" means nothing (keeping in mind MCX has a lot of power given the retailers in their pockets). Apple Pay never blocked other merchants or methods of payment. Apple Pay is another method of payment, one that banks and many security professionals have stated to be very secure. It's the other company that is blocking Apple, Google and other services that use NFC in order to force retailers and consumers into their payment system (which uses sales and customer buying info in order to sell and market data).

Please, before you comment that Apple or Google are the "bad guys", understand monopoly's (in this case, anti-trust laws would apply) and what CVS, Rite-Aid, etc are doing by signing exclusivity with MCX by denying NFC. If you are smart, you would not stand for this as this is not good for consumers. Period.

 

[lowepg]

This is just as if RiteAid/CVS decided they accept Visa and MasterCard, but ONLY Visas from Bank of America, or Mastercards from CapitalOne. Not because of some inherent issue with the technology, but SOLELY because they decided that they want to impose their own.

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First- this is bad, I hope it doesnt continue... in the meantime, I FINALLY have a reason to choose one seemlingly idetnical Rx chain over another... HEllo Walgreens!

Second- theres some small irony in Apple folks complaining about another company eshewing an "open system" (NFC) in favor of their own, closed proprietary one

 

[Buran]

CVS just lost a customer, and I will be (politely) contacting them to tell them why.

I will not use a system that is deliberately designed to be insecure by not permitting me to use a credit card that is a buffer between my actual accounts and fraudulent charges. I will not support a store that puts its convenience before security and customer convenience.

It worked before. Now, CVS decides to deliberately deprive customers of a secure payment option that greatly reduced the risk to customers when (not if) their payment systems were hacked.

That's not the kind of business I want to support with my money.

 

[theotherphil]

Do people really think that the MCX app is going to stay on the Google/ Apple App stores after this stunt?

Those retailers are gonna back down pretty quickly when 1) they lose sales from Google/ Apple/ other NFC customers and 2) they have no app on the app stores to process payments from.

 

[iZollo]

I just passed a CVS and went to Walgreens because of the security of being able to use Apple Pay.

 

[lowepg]

Here's an idea:

Roll into CVS and FILL a shopping cart- I mean FILL it to overflowing.

After the cashier rings up your $200-$500 order, upon learning they wont take ApplePay, say, "Ok, oh well, forget this order, I need to run over to Walgreens"

 

[Noble Actual]

Here's an idea:

Roll into CVS and FILL a shopping cart- I mean FILL it to overflowing.

After the cashier rings up your $200-$500 order, upon learning they wont take ApplePay, say, "Ok, oh well, forget this order, I need to run over to Walgreens"

Yes, then the cashier will surely allow Apple Pay in the store....

 

[cjmillsnun]

My guess is that Apple oppressive consumer and business dealings play a large role in this. Apple likes to tell you what you can and can't do with EVERYTHING. This is a long term problem for Apple IMO.

Howso??

Apple Pay should be completely transparent to the retailer, aside from the customer holding their phone to the scanner.

No new technology (if they already accept NFC), no extra charges. Just *beep* and done.