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Damn you Apple!

Ryan1524 said:
You seem like an intelligent person, but refuse to direct that ability towards accurately extrapolating and predicting your needs in something as simple as a notebook computer.

Weird.
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The way he is responding to every post defending himself, there will be enough material on this thread by tomorrow morning to write a complete novel.


On a different note, nice photos Ryan. What camera do you use? :)
 
Ryan1524 said:
You seem like an intelligent person, but refuse to direct that ability towards accurately extrapolating and predicting your needs in something as simple as a notebook computer.

Weird.
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I know and I hate it :eek:

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gentleman00 said:
The way he is responding to every post defending himself, there will be enough material on this thread by tomorrow morning to write a complete novel.
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ckeck said:
Sorry, that is not how it works. I'm not sure you understand supply chain economics at all or how a specific type of customer experience results in increased profitability per customer which is better for the company, it's employees and contractors (and all other customers as well).

If someone has a return policy saying I can return something within a certain period for any reason, then it's not unethical for me to do that no matter what. You make it sound like I bought and returned 50 computers or something. I didn't return everything I bought, I kept the most expensive item (the iMac) and I returned the Retinas for now because they're ***** stuttering/lagging on scaled resolutions. I'm NOT going to keep an item that isn't working properly under any circumstance, period.

Not to mention I buy about ~20 Macs per year for myself and employees and might happen to return maybe 1-2 when something doesn't work out. It's rare that something isn't up to par.

I guess what you're saying is I'm a bad customer. I think Apple and any other person with any sort of business intelligence (or common sense for that matter) would disagree with you.

Not to mention how many sales I've driven to Apple over the years due to specific policies like these. Doesn't matter, there is no discussing things with folks like you who don't look at the larger picture, or the simple fact that a policy is there for a reason.
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ckeck said:
I didn't keep one item out of three, I kept two out of three. And I did this based on their own recommendation to me in the store. I didn't "abuse" anything. I'm an extremely high revenue customer for Apple and again, I think they would vehemently disagree with your position here.

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This is already baked into their model, I am not personally causing any increase in costs for you at all.

After a quick scan of my purchases, I've bought exactly 23 new computers from Apple this year and I've returned just 2. But I'm a bad egg I guess and a bad customer for Apple. Right.
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I think you are confusing yourself now. There is no way that you just made a mistake. Only liars make this kind of mistake. If there is one thing that I cant stand its liars. Do what you will but don't lie about it. Maybe you did make a mistake but its unlikely to go from "I returned all but the iMac" to "I didn't keep 1 out of 3, I kept 2 out of 3." That's a fairly big mistake. At this point, you have no credibility.
 
Scott7975 said:
I think you are confusing yourself now. There is no way that you just made a mistake. Only liars make this kind of mistake.
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No, but I should have been more clear. I did in fact "return" both retinas. However I swapped for another 15 because the one I got has a big chip in the thin metal groove on one of the vents underneath. Was quite noticeable and I didn't want to have to account for that if/when I ever sell it down the road.

The screen lag is pretty bad but I'm banking on the fact that it's a Mavericks issue. Worst case I'll give it to someone in the office to use. No need for two though =\

I could totally take another picture but I might stir up more flames. Worst thread I've ever made.
 
People, people..

He didn't pay cash for these things don't be so silly, hahahahahaa, who has that kind of cash these days? If you have enough credit cards or if your credit rating is over 980 points, your credit card company will approve you up to 12,000 limit.

However, if I had that much in cash I would for sure spend it wisely, locally, environmentally with the least impact and support local artists, theatres and everything to do with youth, they are our future, not these gadgets :)
 
ckeck said:
No, but I should have been more clear. I did in fact "return" both retinas. However I swapped for another 15 because the one I got has a big chip in the thin metal groove on one of the vents underneath. Was quite noticeable and I didn't want to have to account for that if/when I ever sell it down the road.

The screen lag is pretty bad but I'm banking on the fact that it's a Mavericks issue. Worst case I'll give it to someone in the office to use. No need for two though =\

I could totally take another picture but I might stir up more flames. Worst thread I've ever made.
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In this type of thread, yeah you should be more clear.

Don't worry about the thread and also don't worry about what other people think. I posted my opinion on the subject but that doesn't mean I think you are an ass hole or anything. Its just my opinion on the subject. I have mine and you have yours.

I understood the intent of your thread... which was to say that Apple made it tough on you to decide. That means they make good products. For me the decision is easy. I need screen real estate and power. A couple pounds doesn't make it any less portable. I do my research and know what I want before I hit the store, but that's just me.
 
wow some people need to calm down. let the man do things how he does...doesn't affect you in the slightest does it?
 
People here seem to have forgotten that Apple used to charge a restock fee. They took it away for a reason. They could have applied restrictions, such as a limit on the number of returns per customer in a period. They didn't, and that in and of itself is telling.

What the OP did is not unethical. All these extrapolations about, "Well if everyone did it..." are pointless thought exercises, because not only does the OP's behavior not have a large-scale effect, but even if more people did it, it wouldn't happen in a vacuum. That is to say, Apple would then have the ability to iterate on its policy.

Folks need to calm down.
 
I had no intention in getting a new laptop so have not been reading up on the forums lately. All this talk of lagging etc is new to me. Being completely honest, I still don't really know what it is. MAYBE, on the highest resolution allowed without 3rd party apps I can see some, but to be honest I don't really know what it is...

I'm running at 1440x900 at the moment, and with 9 apps open I genuinely CANNOT get anything to lag. Scrolling, mission control, screensavers...

It's very strange. If I was cynical I'd say some people that are not owners of rMBPS are trying to make themselves feel better...
 
I can get it to occur pretty easily on a 2.6... if you have multiple spaces open and use gestures to switch between spaces, it happens on 1680x1050. The switching between spaces is not totally smooth and looks like the frame rates are stuttering.

1440x900 which is the max you can do on an MBA, nothing lags, its all perfect.

But to each their own, if they're not happy, there's other options out there, and each generation is only going to get faster/better too. The first-gen 13" rMBP was a definite no for me... HD4000, even if it isn't the culprit for the retina animations that can lag, is just too terrible an iGPU.

I do think some MBA owners are a bit delusional though - there is no reason to get a 13" MBA anymore after the Haswell release - unless you actually need full day battery only operation. That's it... and I've lived with a 13" MBA for the past 3 years before switching. Once you get used to the rMBP screen, the MBA is a total eyesore... but it only becomes obvious after you use/switch to retina for a few days, and then move back. An in store comparison doesn't do enough justice to how much better the retina display is.

I wonder if Apple will move to the rumored 12" MBA next year, and get rid of the 11/13... the 11 has always been a bit too small IMO. And once the MBA gets retina, it too will likely lag in some situations!
 
Lag was easy to spot on the original 13 rmbp just browsing the web.

Web browsing seems fine on even the base 2.4 13 this time.
 
qawsed said:
It's very strange. If I was cynical I'd say some people that are not owners of rMBPS are trying to make themselves feel better...
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With last years' 13" rMBP it's very easy to make some lag. First, change the resolution from 1280x800 to 1440x900. Then just open a few javascript heavy tabs in safari, and start doing some website development with MAMP and Textwrangler. Boom. Insta-lag. It's actually worse than a 13" MBA from 2011.
 
ckeck said:
Picked up my new iPad Air a few hours ago and while I LOVE the size/weight, did something change with the screen materials? Maybe I didn't get the memo...

I've had every regular size iPad since launch and this feels completely different. Is the screen no longer glass? Feels like that Gorilla Glass stuff that flexes like plastic.

I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, but it does feel kind of cheap and it was just the very first thing I noticed when setting it up.
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https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=18287152#post18287152

Now the OP purchased an iPad Air too. LOL
 
ckeck said:
It's ok, I only got ONE...but perhaps I should have picked up an AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile version to test and just return the two I don't care for? :p
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Was surprised you didn't wait for the iPad mini with Retina to come out before you bought the iPad air -- assumed you would have bought the iPad air & the iPad mini with Retina.
 
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