Dark Mode second thoughts anyone?

[David58117]

Are ya'll using it 24/7?

I found it worked best when I was actually working in a dark room (or just with the lights off..). So much easier on the eyes when that's the case..

 

[ericwn]

Dark mode sounds cool but is horrible to use for real work. It would never be released when SJ was around.

Frankly, we don’t know. The terrible to use puck mouse that came with the iMacs was happily shipped during Steve’s time as well, other failures come to mind...

Personally, I think it’s nice to have option- wether we use it can just be our choice.

 

[fisherking]

Are ya'll using it 24/7?

I found it worked best when I was actually working in a dark room (or just with the lights off..). So much easier on the eyes when that's the case..

i've had it on since public beta 1; the only place i question it is in Mail, especially when an html-with-white background email comes in. but otherwise, am getting used to it (still think it needs work)...

 

[DaniloGeekDude]

Are ya'll using it 24/7?

I found it worked best when I was actually working in a dark room (or just with the lights off..). So much easier on the eyes when that's the case..

I also do it as well. And I wish it can be applied to Google Chrome (my default browser).

 

[CBJammin103]

As a developer, I was looking forward to dark mode and I've now decided I don't really like it at all. I think it could improve over time, though. Fortunately there's a way to revert to the High Sierra dark menu bar + dock if anyone's interested.

defaults write -g NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool YES

And then restart your computer or log in/out.

 

[n-evo]

For me white text on a dark background is far more distracting than black on white. All in all it just looks busier and messier. So yeah, I don't like dark mode either.

 

[fisherking]

For me white text on a dark background is far more distracting than black on white. All in all it just looks busier and messier. So yeah, I don't like dark mode either.

and now we have a choice

 

[thingstoponder]

You have the option of not using it.

Also remember, this Dark Mode is a very complicated process. Watch one of the developer keynotes about Dark Mode.

Also remember as well that Apple will most likely use OLED in the next gen MacBook Pros/Apple Cinema Displays (probably 2020) so Dark Mode (or true dark mode) will help with battery life on mobile devices.

The idea that dark mode increases battery life with OLED is not true. The savings of OLED only happen when the pixels are shut off, meaning the OS would have to be pitch black for that to be the case, which it isn't. There's gradients and translucency and different shades of gray for contrast of different elements. Even if some of the UI is pitch black the savings would be minimal. Most of the black pixels on a screen in light mode come from text which is white in dark mode. Besides, a black interface would be horrible. Remember those high contrast themes in Windows?

 

[SDAVE]

The idea that dark mode increases battery life with OLED is not true. The savings of OLED only happen when the pixels are shut off, meaning the OS would have to be pitch black for that to be the case, which it isn't. There's gradients and translucency and different shades of gray for contrast of different elements. Even if some of the UI is pitch black the savings would be minimal. Most of the black pixels on a screen in light mode come from text which is white in dark mode. Besides, a black interface would be horrible. Remember those high contrast themes in Windows?

That's where Apple is headed. "True Dark Mode".

Batteries can't be innovative enough so they can make it more efficient via software.

If you look at some iOS apps like Apollo, on my iPhone X all the pixels are shut off in true dark mode and it still looks good.

If you can't see where this is all headed, you're blind.

iOS has apps already like the Clock app, or even Do Not Disturb banner in iOS 12 are all becoming dark mode based and soon "True Dark Mode."

 

[R3k]

As a developer, I was looking forward to dark mode and I've now decided I don't really like it at all. I think it could improve over time, though. Fortunately there's a way to revert to the High Sierra dark menu bar + dock if anyone's interested.

defaults write -g NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool YES

And then restart your computer or log in/out.

This didn't work for me unfortunately, is there another way?

 

[polbit]

Title of thread is fundamentally WRONG and so are several responses. No need for second thoughts or any animosity towards Dark Mode since it is an easy toggled OPTION and default off. You either like it/use it or don't like it/don't use. The only TRUE complaint anyone can have is "the selection takes up too much space in the Settings> General menu".

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You missed my point entirely.

I like the option of dark Dock and menu bar, with normal windows, etc. Mojave does not have that option anymore - it's either all light, or all dark. I want to keep the option to JUST turn menu and dock dark.

 

[K4LK]

Dark mode looks and feels great!

I agree. I need to plug my rMBP into my Dell 4K monitor.

 

[R3k]

I definitely don’t like using it in the mail app.

 

[MacHiavelli]

I definitely don’t like using it in the mail app.

Helps?

 

[steveaburns]

Helps?

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I think unchecking [x] Use dark backgrounds for messages does help...

You inspired me to look for other things... I also found in System Preferences -> General, unchecking [x] Use LCD font smoothing when available seems to make the very bold and strong white text in dark mode, settle down a little, and helps make the dark part of mail better imo.

 

[R3k]

Helps?

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Thanks! Though I just rolled back to High Sierra, my pointer and lots of text was turning and flickering neon green, haha.

Will check that when i install it again.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

i have always read (kindle app, iphone) white text on a black background, and find it more comfortable than the reverse. am adapting to dark mode on the mac, and (think) i will eventually only use that.

we're not all wired the same...

Kindle fortunately uses the digital ink tech. On LEDs you need to put your brightness maximum to ensure the white text on black is bright otherwise the reduced contrast will not be ideal for healthy eyesight maintenance.

 

[fisherking]

Kindle fortunately uses the digital ink tech. On LEDs you need to put your brightness maximum to ensure the white text on black is bright otherwise the reduced contrast will not be ideal for healthy eyesight maintenance.

the kindle app on the iphone? (that's what i use)...

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

the kindle app on the iphone? (that's what i use)...

You set it to high brightness I hope.

 

[fisherking]

You set it to high brightness I hope.

it's set to where it's comfortable (usually about 1/2 to 3/4 brightness). thanks!

 

[Mr Todhunter]

As a developer, I was looking forward to dark mode and I've now decided I don't really like it at all. I think it could improve over time, though. Fortunately there's a way to revert to the High Sierra dark menu bar + dock if anyone's interested.

defaults write -g NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool YES

As a developer, I was looking forward to dark mode and I've now decided I don't really like it at all. I think it could improve over time, though. Fortunately there's a way to revert to the High Sierra dark menu bar + dock if anyone's interested.

defaults write -g NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool YES

And then restart your computer or log in/out.

IT WORKS!!!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Exactly what I wanted.
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This didn't work for me unfortunately, is there another way?

IT WORKS. You just need to choose Appearance Dark in the system preference. Then Dark mode works like under High Sierra. i.e just dark menu bar and dock.

 

[steveaburns]

IT WORKS!!!! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Exactly what I wanted.
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IT WORKS. You just need to choose Appearance Dark in the system preference. Then Dark mode works like under High Sierra. i.e just dark menu bar and dock.

Do you think that it could also work for individual apps instead of globally? I tried the following, but didn't do anything.

quit Mail
go to Dark mode
defaults write com.apple.mail.plist NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool YES
start Mail
nope...
reboot...
nope...
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Do you think that it could also work for individual apps instead of globally? I tried the following, but didn't do anything.

quit Mail
go to Dark mode
defaults write com.apple.mail.plist NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool YES
start Mail
nope...
reboot...
nope...

I got it to work with Terminal (ha, probably terminal is better dark), but in any case, this works, and you only have to restart Terminal

defaults write com.apple.Terminal.plist NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool YES

 

[TimmeyCook]

I love Dark Mode! I'm too chicken to install Mojave on my work computer but I really wish I could. I absolutely love Dark everything especially Dark Finder and Dark Notes

Dark Xcode is so sweet!

 

[tuckeratlarge]

I used to use the old phosphor green screens at work way back when. But now I don't like working on my computer with a dark background and light text. It just hurts my eyes. I don't like websites with a black background/white text. Each to their own and all that, just think it won't work for me. Gonna try it though, you never know.

 

[Mr Todhunter]

I got it to work with Terminal (ha, probably terminal is better dark), but in any case, this works, and you only have to restart Terminal

defaults write com.apple.Terminal.plist NSRequiresAquaSystemAppearance -bool YES[/QUOTE]

Thank you. This is getting better and better