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Data Extraction Company Cellebrite Advertising New Software for Cracking Devices Running iOS 11

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If you have the felon in custody then you can photocopy his face and that'll allow them to access the iPhone X. If it's a fingerprint sensor then FedEx the relevant finger/thumb to Israel. If it's a pass code then it gets tricky.
 
Pbrutto said:
Not if your in custody
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Can't you call someone, give them your password and have them wipe your phone? It might not be ideal if you have things to hide but anyway if you're in jail it's probably a good thing if they're able to get into your phone.

You give someone qualified physical access to any computer system and it's just a matter of time before they get into it.
 
Saipher said:
Apple should just buy Cellebrite for the heck of it, figure out what exploit they are using, patch it, and close down the company. I know things don't work out this way but sure it would be nice!
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This idea has "bad" written all over it. Bad for Cellebrite. Bad for consumers. And yes, bad for Apple. Cellebrite supposedly cracking iOS security simply means Apple knows it has to make iOS more secure. The end result of that enterprise is more secure devices.

Only the naive would think buying and shutting down Cellebrite would be anything more than a temporary and useless act that only serves to waste money. Apple buys Cellebrite. Enterprising employee(s) take the knowledge from the company and start their own concerns. Life goes on. Nothing changes 'cept Apple spending money.
 
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maflynn said:
Wow, this is not good news for Apple, or Apple's customers
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It’s not good news for anyone, but it should be noted Cellebrite is ONE of hundreds of defense contractors that continually do this kind of work. As a poster from that field stated in an older thread, Cellebrite gets the headlines because it’s one of only a handful we know anything about.

Cellebrite is the poster child of a military *industry* that does this work and sells it to authoritarian governments (US included) all over the world.
 
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Apple probably owns (or has a relationship with) Cellebrite. That way "Apple" can look good to its customers, but still help law enforcement when a valid warrant is in-place. I suspect most people would agree law enforcement should get access when they have a warrant. No one would suggest someone's computer is off-limits - that's like saying a safe or a closet is off-limits.

This day and age it is just silly to think you have an unlimited expectation of privacy to anything other than your own mind. And just wait until you lose that. :)
 
Jimmdean said:
Apple probably owns (or has a relationship with) Cellebrite. That way "Apple" can look good to its customers, but still help law enforcement when a valid warrant is in-place. I suspect most people would agree law enforcement should get access when they have a warrant. No one would suggest someone's computer is off-limits - that's like saying a safe or a closet is off-limits.
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wouldn't be surprised at all either. Tim Cook is the swamp. He's ruining Apple.

to make matters worse, he's one of the most adamant virtue signalers.
 
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pgiguere1 said:
That quote was about doubling down on secrecy, not security. It was regarding product leaks.
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Not only that, Cellebrite is essentially an arm of two nation states (Israel/USA). We’ve always known if a nation state wants your info they can do it, this news is just shedding the light on one particular capability.
 
thadoggfather said:
And iCloud is hosted on Google servers, but they say Google can't see the data.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/26/icloud-servers-google/



THIS is supposedly Apple's strongest PR Point is privacy.

Also-

https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/26/tim-cook-china-development-forum/

Tim Cook is co-chairing China Development Forum.

This guy, as I've said a million times now, needs to go.

iPhones will still sell without him, just fine.
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Are you assuming the next CEO will care about privacy? Apple’s strong public stance on privacy came under Cook’s leadership not Steve Jobs (and mostly in response to Edward Snowden’s revelations). Apple was participating in the NSA’s PRISM program with all the other tech giants under Jobs. I agree that at this point the privacy PR is probably just PR and mostly BS, though.
 
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deanthedev said:
Nonsense. How exactly is this bad news for me? Am I going to have my phone hacked into by Cellebrite or someone else? No and no.
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You might if Celebrite gets hacked and their method is leaked to ne'erdowells. It's happened to other entities including the NSA. That's when Apple can start creating a patch for the hoarded vulnerability. But only then.

It's not just about you though :)
 
thadoggfather said:
wouldn't be surprised at all either. Tim Cook is the swamp. He's ruining Apple.

to make matters worse, he's one of the most adamant virtue signalers.
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Don't elevate Apple to anything more than a company trying to make money - that's all they have ever been and that's all they will ever be. If they happen to do some altruistic things along the way then great. But even the oil companies manage to do some good now and then.
 
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itsmilo said:
This should be illegal, especially since law enforcement has to send in the device to have it cracked. What stops them from tinkering with evidence in the worst case adding stuff that was never actually on the device
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1. Self interest. They want to make money. You can't make money falsifying evidence. No one would use it.
2. They would have to know what evidence to tinker with or add. Where are they getting that info?
3. It doesn't make sense.

I have issues with chain of custody aspects. I'm sure there would have to be procedures in place to satisfy that legal requirement.

The rest, yeah, that doesn't make sense.
 
69Mustang said:
This idea has "bad" written all over it. Bad for Cellebrite. Bad for consumers. And yes, bad for Apple. Cellebrite supposedly cracking iOS security simply means Apple knows it has to make iOS more secure. The end result of that enterprise is more secure devices.

Only the naive would think buying and shutting down Cellebrite would be anything more than a temporary and useless act that only serves to waste money. Apple buys Cellebrite. Enterprising employee(s) take the knowledge from the company and start their own concerns. Life goes on. Nothing changes 'cept Apple spending money.
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I agree and desagree with your point of view. I agree that if apple just bought Cellebrite and closed it down without doing anything about whatever exploit is being used to crack iOS, then the previous Cellebrite employees would most likely open a new company that uses the exact same exploit and nothing would change; however, I desagree in a sense that if Apple learned what exploit was being used and was able to patch it, it wouldn't matter if previous Cellebrite employees were to open a new company. Their exploit would be gone, and given that it seems no other company is able to offer such service (crack iOS11), I believe it would be a good while until someone else figured out another way of doing so.

That's just my opinion, I could be totally off on this....
 
thadoggfather said:
And iCloud is hosted on Google servers, but they say Google can't see the data.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/26/icloud-servers-google/



THIS is supposedly Apple's strongest PR Point is privacy. its eroding quick.

Also-

https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/26/tim-cook-china-development-forum/

Tim Cook is co-chairing China Development Forum. After gracefully bowing to their VPN requests to ban VPNs.

This guy, as I've said a million times now, needs to go.

iPhones will still sell without him, just fine.
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Where is privacy eroding? Here in the US? Are you located in China and worried about your own privacy?

Tim isn’t going anywhere. Especially with Apple approaching 1T valuation, he has the job as long as he wants.
 
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CE3 said:
Are you assuming the next CEO will care about privacy? Apple’s strong public stance on privacy came under Cook’s leadership not Steve Jobs. Apple was participating in the NSA’s PRISM program with all the other tech giants under Jobs. I agree that at this point the privacy PR is probably just PR and mostly BS, though.
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No but enough already with this guy. He's had like 6 or 7 years now,

time for a new CEO.

Steve Jobs was never a chronic virtue signaler.

He was many things, but not that.

Jimmdean said:
Don't elevate Apple to anything more than a company trying to make money - that's all they have ever been and that's all they will ever be. If they happen to do some altruistic things along the way then great. But even the oil companies manage to do some good now and then.
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Fair point, but why do I have to listen to Tim holding Hillary fundraisers, and presenting Michelle Obama like she's a new iProduct at WWDC, and obsessing about the dreamers, and all the rest of it?

WHY?

Alienating the customer base, for what? Certainly not a buck.

Do I have to be a staunch liberal in order to be an Apple user? Otherwise, I'm just kind of a rogue user whose money they're taking... for now?
 
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69Mustang said:
1. Self interest. They want to make money. You can't make money falsifying evidence. No one would use it.
2. They would have to know what evidence to tinker with or add. Where are they getting that info?
3. It doesn't make sense.
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If we want to get a bit paranoid:
1. Someone or a group could potentially offer more money to falsify evidence.
2. That same group would tell them what evidence to tinker with or add.
3. If they know they won't get caught, someone greedy might think it makes sense.
 
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I7guy said:
Where is privacy eroding? Here in the US? Are you located in China and worried about your own privacy?

Tim isn’t going anywhere. Especially with Apple approaching 1T valuation, he has the job as long as he wants.
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Him making the company $, isn't specific to him.

Apple stuff sells itself. He's replaceable.

Yes, privacy is eroding. If you think he'll put up that little of a fight against the Chinese, a foreign power, how much of a fight does he put up against three letter orgs when he's in a tough spot?

Presumably, not much. Or if so, its PR smokes and mirrors it seems.
 
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