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Data Extraction Company Cellebrite Advertising New Software for Cracking Devices Running iOS 11
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Well, that is factually true, unless you’re some kind of s conspiracy nutter who believes they are being stalked by men in black. The authorities don’t randomly confiscate people’s iPhones for ***** and giggles.
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And if you’re in jail, chances are there’s a pretty good reason that you’re there so the authorities should be able to collect the necessary evidence. If the said evidence doesn’t reside on your device then you have nothing to worry about.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems OUR government should be engaged in trying to improve our security and safety—rather than continually endeavoring to thwart it.
For starters, theft or loss of the phone where there is financial or health information stored or accessible through the phone. Not in jail...not dead...
Of course, we could all be like Warren Buffett. Seriously - skip banking by phone, health records on your phone, etc. Buy a flip phone. But is that what Apple wants us to do? Of course not.
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Well, that is true. For example, DWB. Jail 'em.
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Not responding to anyone in particular, I'm actually not really too worked up about the government cracking and hacking its way into my phone. But if these guys can figure out how to do this and sell their services to governments, other guys - real bad guys - can do the same and sell their services to people with really bad motives. Having said that, if cracking the phone requires that the phone be physically present, that reduces the risk to cases where the phone has been physically lost or stolen, rather than situations where servers are hacked remotely.
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What?.. I asked why would you trust a felon? regardless of his choice of mobile phone.
Anybody really surprised at this? If you're treating your phone and what you do on it like some kind of impenetrable vault, maybe do a little reality check on that...
You can be made a criminal at any time.I have no intention of becoming a criminal.....so I guess I am safe
Well, if you're at the stage of deciding whether you can trust a felon based on the individual's cell phone choice then perhaps you've got no choice? And there in lies the next question. Would that felon you're forced to trust be better trusted if they were an Android user or an iOS user?
Not sure why anyone would have an issue with this.
Warrants being obtained from a judge is the backbone of the America legal system.
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What stops police from planting drugs/a gun on you during an arrest?
If a warrant is obtained, why should it be illegal?
Warrants being obtained from a judge is the backbone of the America legal system.
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What stops police from planting drugs/a gun on you during an arrest?
If a warrant is obtained, why should it be illegal?
At this point they're probably doing hardware-based extraction. There are always holes. For example, what if you try to brute-force the Secure Enclave? Does it rate-limit?
At that point Apple should just say "screw it."
At that point Apple should just say "screw it."
Wouldn't be long. People expect perfection 100% of the time, no matter how hard it takes to crack..
At one point since most users won't bother with this anyway, the percentage to try and prevent brute force at that level is (nill)
a chip would only be smart if it "knows" itself has been modified Once you start adding checks in to test itself, there will be ways to overcome the checks. Then you get to the point, if the check in hardware is disabled, the chip won't work...
Is that where we'll we be heading?
At one point since most users won't bother with this anyway, the percentage to try and prevent brute force at that level is (nill)
a chip would only be smart if it "knows" itself has been modified Once you start adding checks in to test itself, there will be ways to overcome the checks. Then you get to the point, if the check in hardware is disabled, the chip won't work...
Is that where we'll we be heading?
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Exactly.
And unless I haven't been paying attention... has anything of value ever been extracted from a cracked iPhones?
There are phones that have been sitting in an evidence locker for months. Would cracking the phone stop the next 9/11 or other great tragedy?
Or they probably couldn't say if it did... could they?
We always hear about criminals getting caught in a variety of ways. But I can't recall a smartphone snitching on its owner.
Though I'm sure someone will post links to examples... I'm here to learn.
It's not wrong but it's a limited FOV, which you are entitled to. Oh and watch out for Sasquatch crossings.
Just guessing here.... I imagine Apple like that this company exists as it takes pressure off them with data requests from the police et al. And that apple can patch up the exploit and use it as marketing.... thus the cycle continues.
The other user mentioning “3 felonies a day” is also very correct. Most people commit minor crimes all the time. The USA is really bad for that. Land of the free with its jaywalk laws. What other country has those? Lol I mean the USA had anal sex outlawed until recently.... it might even be illegal in some backwards states. But if you ask me a huge chunk of that country is backwards but that’s another story for another day
In summary if a law person decides they don’t like you.... read 3 Felonies and realize any minor thing can be pinned on you and then you’re up **** creek (which as I said was only recently made legal.... the USA really did hate gay people. Still does from the look of some people here lol)
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I hate conspiracy nutters. Those people that believe sandy hook didn’t happen.... that those kids killed recently in that school shooting were all actors..... that Obama is an African Muslim or some ****. Those people are diabolical. Disgusting. Evil examples of human trash that deserve nothing but constant and intense ridicule that permeates their entire family so even their grandkids are made fun of. (And those people are here from what I’ve seen)
I’m not one of them. But. Even if you’re clean as a whistle and somehow avoid all the minor felonies mentioned in “3 felonies a day”. Even if you’re perfect. A crooked law official can manufacture a reason to take a look at your private information. It’s never ever likely to happen mind you. But the possibility is there whilst these security holes exist. And gosh it might not even be a law official but a hacker with a grudge or some Oxford university researcher with a voyeur fetish.
Why the focus on Timmy? You realize the hackers could just as easily have focused on targeting Android or Microsoft with ease? But only Apple counts in celebrity hacking news. No one cares about the others, they don't translate into clickbait or newsworthy rumors and social media commentary.
That would be completely wrong and defeat the purpose of encryption.
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Oh you believe in guilty until proven innocent
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Apple probably owns (or has a relationship with) Cellebrite. That way "Apple" can look good to its customers, but still help law enforcement when a valid warrant is in-place. I suspect most people would agree law enforcement should get access when they have a warrant. No one would suggest someone's computer is off-limits - that's like saying a safe or a closet is off-limits.
This day and age it is just silly to think you have an unlimited expectation of privacy to anything other than your own mind. And just wait until you lose that.
Do you have any idea how easy it is to get a warrant?
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Another cute guilty until proven innocent believer
And if you’re innocent then what’s the problem with the authorities inspecting your phone to confirm?
You clearly have very little knowledge of how the legal system works. Im not going to be rude or berate you but you should not place your faith in a system that exists to justify their own existence by meeting quotas and convicting people no matter the cost. The government thinks you’re guilty no matter what. They typically don’t let people go. That’s what defense attorneys are for. These “authorities” don’t care about truth, they care about results. Its sad and dangerous.
Keeps Apple on its toes. It needs these people to hold its feet to the fire on security, might as well be this company. The fact they're speaking about it publicly probably means they're on to the next thing (11.3?) and this is old news.
It was always known there were cracks for iOS and nobody believed police/FBI when they said they couldn't get into some phone or other. FBI played dumb and wanted Apple to create a backdoor to ALL iPhones, suspect or not. Law enforcement has always had open slather with communications and privacy is an alien concept in that world. ANY barrier to all data and communications, even if it can be removed little effort is considered a hinderance and must be eliminated.
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I'd definitely be a lot happier if I had to unlock my device before iTunes or iMazing backed it up. I'd be even happier if all the data on the device was encrypted and anything that read it required me to unlock the backup before I could access the data.
It was always known there were cracks for iOS and nobody believed police/FBI when they said they couldn't get into some phone or other. FBI played dumb and wanted Apple to create a backdoor to ALL iPhones, suspect or not. Law enforcement has always had open slather with communications and privacy is an alien concept in that world. ANY barrier to all data and communications, even if it can be removed little effort is considered a hinderance and must be eliminated.
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I'd definitely be a lot happier if I had to unlock my device before iTunes or iMazing backed it up. I'd be even happier if all the data on the device was encrypted and anything that read it required me to unlock the backup before I could access the data.
Ignoring the idiots who think this is a good thing...
I want to know how they did it. That’s always more fascinating to me. I like watching this cat and mouse game Apple plays with governments and the jailbreak community. You get to learn how all this stuff actually works.
I want to know how they did it. That’s always more fascinating to me. I like watching this cat and mouse game Apple plays with governments and the jailbreak community. You get to learn how all this stuff actually works.