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not sure if this helps your cause at all but i'll just pitch in my 2cents.

November or December 3 years ago about a month after the 4s first came out, i accidentally left it in an Ikea toilet. Of course it was stolen. What i did was bombard the phone with messages telling the people i can see where the phone is, i know where they live and that the cops are coming for them. I must have sent about 30-40 messages total. Finally the last message i sent was: "i see you, the cops are coming. Call XXX and give back the phone and you will get a reward."
Shockingly enough i got my phone back, and a bitchslap from my mom ( since they called her from the Brooklyn projects at 12 am, asking her to come get the phone) She thought i was kidnapped and held for ransom. In case you're all wondering i'm in my 30's now, and was in my late 20s when that occurred.

You mentioned that "find my phone" wasn't enabled, but if theres a way to send messeges via "lost mode" maybe do that?
 
Sad to hear it happened right there in the school, one of her classmates.
I would think even if you do "locate" the phone you certainly do not want a confrontation to get it back. :(
 
not sure if this helps your cause at all but i'll just pitch in my 2cents.

November or December 3 years ago about a month after the 4s first came out, i accidentally left it in an Ikea toilet. Of course it was stolen. What i did was bombard the phone with messages telling the people i can see where the phone is, i know where they live and that the cops are coming for them. I must have sent about 30-40 messages total. Finally the last message i sent was: "i see you, the cops are coming. Call XXX and give back the phone and you will get a reward."
Shockingly enough i got my phone back, and a bitchslap from my mom ( since they called her from the Brooklyn projects at 12 am, asking her to come get the phone) She thought i was kidnapped and held for ransom. In case you're all wondering i'm in my 30's now, and was in my late 20s when that occurred.

You mentioned that "find my phone" wasn't enabled, but if theres a way to send messeges via "lost mode" maybe do that?

They snatch up those iPhones quick! Thieves love, love, love em'.

No, there's really nothing you can do because most thieves are smart enough to remove the SIM card. The thief cannot really connect to a Wi-Fi network while the phone is locked. Rendering Find My iPhone useless.
 
I feel bad for her since she is sort of being punished for what someone else did, it wasn't her fault. What did the school say about it?

My daughter is 11 and has a 5s. Today kids really need cell phones because I just don't trust people. If she ever misses the bus or wants to come home from a friends house I want her to be able to contact me.

Somehow as kids we managed to do these things without cell phones. Didn't even exist yet.

If they miss a bus, the school has a phone. If they are at a friends house, the parents have a phone.

There are phones available everywhere. And any adult is going to hand a phone to a kid who says I need to call my mom or dad.

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Stop being biased about us. Only the idiotic teens one their phoned. And adults lose their phones all the time and they don't flop out like most people on this thread.

Yeah, the difference is that the adults usually post better excuses like they were drunk and left it at the bar. So, let's see, which ones are less responsible again????
 
As an apple shareholder I see no problem with parents buying their young teen an iPhone

..they're actually the best kind of customer if you ask me ..not only do they lose them and force their parents to shell out hundreds of dollars for a new one ..but they also spend hundreds on IAPs

Go teens!! :)
My mom drops more money on iTunes then the average teen...
 
"It's a debit card so not sure."

Debit cards provide no insurance. They don't even provide the option to reverse fraudulent charges in most cases. Which is unfortunate given that they have the visa logo on them.

Not much chance of doing anything if you paid with a debit card or visa check card. It's the same as cash.
 
Jealous much?

Just practical. In understanding that not every parent can afford to give phones to their kids, we still live in a world where phones are readily available to children. At least anywhere a child would be expected to be.

Your post is nothing more than a cop out.
 
So what was the point of your post in the first place?
I said that I wouldn't give it to others, to play with.
But if they wanna call someone, I'm putting it in loud speaker and I'm putting the number in.

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Just practical. In understanding that not every parent can afford to give phones to their kids, we still live in a world where phones are readily available to children. At least anywhere a child would be expected to be.

Your post is nothing more than a cop out.
Yeah but in a world where the moto g is cheap and good and under 200 dollars it's fine. If you're really against data plans because of the price, just get them a dataless plan. End of.
By the way, I only spend 12 dollars on my bill.
 
Somehow as kids we managed to do these things without cell phones. Didn't even exist yet.

If they miss a bus, the school has a phone. If they are at a friends house, the parents have a phone.

There are phones available everywhere. And any adult is going to hand a phone to a kid who says I need to call my mom or dad.

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Yeah, the difference is that the adults usually post better excuses like they were drunk and left it at the bar. So, let's see, which ones are less responsible again????

To each there own but I don't like sending my daughter to someones house with out me being able to contact her at anytime. She is only 11 and I don't just people that much. If she decides in the middle of the night she doesn't feel safe or want to be there she knows she can call us in a minute. My thought is ok she lost her phone so she can't get another iPhone 6 but I would buy a iPhone 4s or something like that, she would not go without the phone. Every situation is different maybe your daughter doesn't spend the night at friends I don't know. Problem is they want to go and although we meet the parents we still don't know them that well.
 
I never said they shouldn't have one. Just that they are not essential for children. There are simple ways to get along without one as a child.
I've grown up with technology since I was young.
And guess how that turned out?
I started reading books when I was two according to my mother, and that my teachers struggled to find me new books because I was zooming with them too fast.
Even with my ios devices, iPhone 3G+, I was on them all day, but I loved it because my main uses was reading. I seriously read the Harry Potter books on that small iPhone 4 screen o_O

So please, its not essential for adults either. Actually no one needs a smartphone but we choose to have it because it's become part of our lives.
 
To each there own but I don't like sending my daughter to someones house with out me being able to contact her at anytime. She is only 11 and I don't just people that much. If she decides in the middle of the night she doesn't feel safe or want to be there she knows she can call us in a minute. My thought is ok she lost her phone so she can't get another iPhone 6 but I would buy a iPhone 4s or something like that, she would not go without the phone. Every situation is different maybe your daughter doesn't spend the night at friends I don't know. Problem is they want to go and although we meet the parents we still don't know them that well.

I have children. And if I don't trust the other parents enough to hand my kid a phone or send them back to me at the child's request, then my kids aren't going there. That's called responsible parenting. Never send your children anywhere with someone you don't explicitly trust.

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I've grown up with technology since I was young.
And guess how that turned out?
I started reading books when I was two according to my mother, and that my teachers struggled to find me new books because I was zooming with them too fast.
Even with my ios devices, iPhone 3G+, I was on them all day, but I loved it because my main uses was reading. I seriously read the Harry Potter books on that small iPhone 4 screen o_O

So please, its not essential for adults either. Actually no one needs a smartphone but we choose to have it because it's become part of our lives.

I didn't say that smart phones are essential for anyone. You're still not proving any points.

You're simply posting in circles. Enjoy.
 
I have children. And if I don't trust the other parents enough to hand my kid a phone or send them back to me at the child's request, then my kids aren't going there. That's called responsible parenting. Never send your children anywhere with someone you don't explicitly trust.

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I didn't say that smart phones are essential for anyone. You're still not proving any points.

You're simply posting in circles. Enjoy.

Great maybe you should write a book on good parenting since the rest of us apparently are just idiots too you. I don't trust anyone so I guess she could just stay in her room. I don't see what it hurts for them to have a phone, please again explain the downside. So they loose an old phone I'm not using, and??
 
To each there own but I don't like sending my daughter to someones house with out me being able to contact her at anytime. She is only 11 and I don't just people that much. If she decides in the middle of the night she doesn't feel safe or want to be there she knows she can call us in a minute. My thought is ok she lost her phone so she can't get another iPhone 6 but I would buy a iPhone 4s or something like that, she would not go without the phone. Every situation is different maybe your daughter doesn't spend the night at friends I don't know. Problem is they want to go and although we meet the parents we still don't know them that well.

Even a $20 cell phone can do the same job, and most people can afford to replace that many times over in case the kid is rather careless.
 
I have children. And if I don't trust the other parents enough to hand my kid a phone or send them back to me at the child's request, then my kids aren't going there. That's called responsible parenting. Never send your children anywhere with someone you don't explicitly trust.

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I didn't say that smart phones are essential for anyone. You're still not proving any points.

You're simply posting in circles. Enjoy.


He's 13 years old probably not worth arguing with. :p
 
When I was a teenager 5 years ago I had no problems sharing my stuff. Are "teens" that awful these days? Don't answer that. :cool:
 
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When I was a teenager 5 years ago I had no problems sharing my stuff. Are "teens" that awful these days? Don't answer that. :cool:
Not really. I don't have a problem sharing my phone with my close friends but If it's just someone I know then my phone is going to go out of their reach.
Especially when they call it a mini TV
 
I feel bad because she really liked it and it's going to be a little while before I can get her one again. I wish whoever stole it realizes it's useless with a passcode and Touch ID on and returns it. I'm not counting on it. Most stolen property never shows up again. Oh well, not much I can do.

I was under the impression that after 10 attempts of putting in the pass code and failing at it the phone automatically erases itself and allows for access.
 
If you read the post correctly you'd see she had rehearsals so she had to leave her phone behind.

Leaving your phone behind in an unsecured bag is leaving your phone unsecured.

If I leave my car keys in my bag out of sight in a public place, I shouldn't be surprised to find my car missing.
 
Great maybe you should write a book on good parenting since the rest of us apparently are just idiots too you. I don't trust anyone so I guess she could just stay in her room. I don't see what it hurts for them to have a phone, please again explain the downside. So they loose an old phone I'm not using, and??

Most parents who invest time in their children would get to know the other parents well enough to trust them before they send them to their house.

My kids have friends who's parents I don't trust, and they don't go there. Even if the reason I don't trust them is because I don't know them well enough yet. In that scenario, it's easy enough to arrange times for the kids to get together and the parents socialize and see what they think of each other.

If I am comfortable with the other parents, then I have no problem sending them over for the night.

You can send a phone if you want. But consider this... If you have so little trust in those parents to keep your kid safe and permit them to call you anytime they want, then those parents could simply confiscate the phone when the children walk in the door.

Even I've confiscated other kids cell phones when they walked in. I had one child stay the night who came up in the middle of the night and told me that she'd called someone on the phone her mother sent with her that scared her. Apparently dialing random numbers. I took the phone, and placed it on the kitchen counter.

The kids mom knows that if the phone is sent over, that it will be placed in an accessible location. But not in the kids hands to play with. And the mother was equally disappointed in the calls that her kid made.

So, if you're that paranoid about where you send your kids, understand that a phone can be taken away. And don't send them where you are not 100% comfortable.

If you have trust issues, then that's for you to work out. Either way, trust issues or not, a cell phone sent with them is no guarantee of their safety. And if something goes wrong, you're not going to look very responsible as you tell the police that you didn't trust the home you sent your kid to and that's why you gave them a cell phone. Not your best argument.

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I was under the impression that after 10 attempts of putting in the pass code and failing at it the phone automatically erases itself and allows for access.

There is a setting for that. No mention in the post whether it was activated.
 
Why do people care so much about other parents giving their kids cell phones? The whole "I didn't have one when I was a kid, so today's kids don't need one" is logically irrelevant. Like it or not, technology is a huge part of our society. If parents aren't teaching their children how to use technology wisely, who is?

To be clear, I completely support parents that choose to wait as long as possible before allowing their kids to have cell phones. But I am certainly against those that choose to judge others for having a different perspective.
 
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