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Dave Lee’s MacBook Pro review is telling
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The last few posts have been about price and performance of mac vs windows machines, rather than preference or use case, Apple can't compete on that front, that is no surprise to anyone surely. The gap just seems to have grown wider. With elements such as 600 for a 1TB SSD upgrade compared to under 100 elsewhere, hard to ignore, for me at least.
I agree with you that the macOS is generally more appealing than Windows. I would prefer a MBP over a windows laptop for consistency across existing hardware I own but all my issues with the MBP have forced me to move and find alternatives.
I am happy with the mac mini and a Windows laptop, for now, others will stick with the MBP. All about choices
I agree prices are very high! i dread to think what the price of the 16" redesigned Macbook Pro will be, especially if the rumour is true that Apple are in talking with Samsung for OLED screens in the 16" redesigned Pro
I have tried multiple times with Windows, it's not like i go into things blindly. I'm just not a fan of it after using Macs and MacOS.
I have been weighing up the options of buying a new Macbook for the past couple of years, but i'm disappointed in Apple. Keyboard issues, "flexgate" issues and so on, Apple really need to get their **** together when it comes to the Mac. At the moment i'm waiting and watching the online reviews of the new Macbook Pros, but really and in all honesty it doesn't look like they have done much to fix the keyboard
I'm really hoping that we see a new design this year, i don't want to wait much longer BUT i also don't want to buy a machine with a crappy keyboard that is likely to break.
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If I was going to buy a new MBP I would likely do it now. The reviews in so far whilst being too early to determine long term reliability, it does seem that this new revision will solve many of the issues, in my view.
Given they have added it to the service plan at least gives the confidence you have it covered for 4 years. If it lasts half as long without issues then I doubt you will have any trouble with it.
Its a lottery for sure, but I still think now is the time
Very funny video, just be certain your use case needs an 8 core CPU and accept a thin and light laptop will throttle and restrict performance. This isn't just an Apple issue, most of the manufacturer's are dropping in 6/8 core CPU's for laptop's designed around quad core CPU's at the moment.
The root of the problem is that Intel have fallen off their road map and are stuck on 14nm where as they should now be moving beyond 10nm. An octo core 14nm 5ghz CPU is going to be challenging thermal property wise and probably needs a desktop or large workstation/gaming chassis to perform optimally.
The root of the problem is that Intel have fallen off their road map and are stuck on 14nm where as they should now be moving beyond 10nm. An octo core 14nm 5ghz CPU is going to be challenging thermal property wise and probably needs a desktop or large workstation/gaming chassis to perform optimally.
Terrifying!
Always liked Dave2D’s softly-spoken personality and style compared to shouty YouTubers like Unbox Therapy, but didn’t realise he was such a funny (and talented) bugger too!
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Saw the title of the video and knew where he was going with it right away (I'm not even a subscriber), video did not disappoint.
I'm curious what Apple brings next year, the must be working on a new design right? Meanwhile, Intel chips are not ideal paired with Apple's requirements either, so we might see the first generation of ARM Macs next year as well (no Pros right away I guess).
I'm curious what Apple brings next year, the must be working on a new design right? Meanwhile, Intel chips are not ideal paired with Apple's requirements either, so we might see the first generation of ARM Macs next year as well (no Pros right away I guess).
Your beautiful 2019 keyboard is already added to Apples repair program...
When they released the 2018 MBP, those machines were not listed in the repair program because Apple was confident about the new condom design.
When a new machine is added to the program, they know it won’t last. The 2020 redesign will probably fix the keyboard issue permanently.
Try telling a large networked environment to give up on Labels and other Finder features. You will be fired very quickly or given a metaphorical push from the top floor window.
You’re kidding me, right? My 2012 retina MBP can handle 1080p video at full res, snd can handle even a couple streams of 4K in proRes (not the highest settings). If after 7 years, a MacBook Pro can’t handle several streams of 4K video without relying on proxies, then there’s some serious lack of development and innovation.
I think at this stage it is right they put it straight on the repair program, whilst it is another fix it is still the same keyboard. If it improves things fine if not, well you have 4 years of repairs if needed.
If people are on the fence about purchasing due to the keyboard this may help calm their nerves and get them spending.
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If one works and the other does not?
Huge Difference
That's the key factor pardon the pun
Anything can fail, equally I tend to agree with Dave Lee (Dave2d)Many of the reasons covered here simply preclude a MBP, like or loath Luis, he does have solid points and illustrates them clearly. Personally if I'm aware there's a know design flaw I avoid the product, equally in a market of "one" Apple can and does simply dictate the terms...
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To be honest I am sick and tired of watching YouTube videos of people that have somehow become experts in computing. Everybody is trying to capitalise on the keyboard issues and make money. Most of these people have actually not a clue about what they are talking and are not technical at all..They are just interested in making money on YouTube.
I have learned to make my own opinion about things and then decide if I want to buy something or not. I do not depend on any YouTuber out there, no matter if they speak positive or negative about Apple products. I just don't care about what they have to say. If someone wants an in depth coverage of technologies and related products, there are sites that do that and post very informative articles. I rarely see such qualitative information on YouTube videos. Maybe I haven't looked for them long enough..
I have learned to make my own opinion about things and then decide if I want to buy something or not. I do not depend on any YouTuber out there, no matter if they speak positive or negative about Apple products. I just don't care about what they have to say. If someone wants an in depth coverage of technologies and related products, there are sites that do that and post very informative articles. I rarely see such qualitative information on YouTube videos. Maybe I haven't looked for them long enough..
I get the impression Apple aren’t desperate to do anything except make money.
That guy is not an Apple fan, in fact I would go as far as to say he’s very biased against them. When looking up the keyboard issues, I watched a few of his videos and he slags Apple off in most of them. While there are issues with the current keyboard, he has also complained about previous MacBooks, iPhones and so on. While there is some truth to there being certain issues, I do think he overplays a lot of things when it comes to Apple.
He's definitely got a thing for Apple, which is unusual given his profession, equally he does illustrate issues not just make noise and in some instance I've had the pleasure myself. The new Mac's I have little faith in, simply by the way they are designed...
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Agreed, they are useful to get a look at a device in closer detail, especially when these days there are less and less retail outlets, certainly in the UK. But regardless of what you watch or read, always make up your own mind.
Yup, never liked the guy or his channel. He realised long ago that by making yet another "here is another example of how **** the MBP is" he does not get Apple users watching them, he gets Windows users rejoicing, hence lots of views and more income for the channel.
Watched this video a few days ago and was wondering if it would pop up here on Macrumors. I found this guy's channel last week and have really enjoyed his videos, even if I don't agree with them completely.
I like how he brings to light how most companies out there wouldn't have done a keyboard repair program like Apple, however I disagree with his assumption that the last 4 "iterations" were failures. Apple continues to tweak and improve.
The videos are very watchable and very informative - right balance of information and depth - something a lot of channels do not get right.
I like how he brings to light how most companies out there wouldn't have done a keyboard repair program like Apple, however I disagree with his assumption that the last 4 "iterations" were failures. Apple continues to tweak and improve.
The videos are very watchable and very informative - right balance of information and depth - something a lot of channels do not get right.
Most large networks environments are using Windows. In fact in most of corporate America using a Mac is considered a liability. Mac in the business world is an exception not the rule.
This depends on what you mean by 'several streams' and what codec these streams are using. If I give you a 10ghz 10 core CPU you could still make an app run slow or throttle a system. Inefficient workflows even bring desktop systems down. That's why pros always rely on proxies and always will.
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Your answer is completely irrelevant and a waste of your energy.
Virtually every use case people are posting about on this forum on those youtube channels are creative environments. Mac networks are the norm in creative industry. A network of such Mac users who rely on things like Labels, wide support for thumbnail previews for common file formats and QuickLook will never accept Windows. It would cripple their entire multi user workflow. If you suggested moving to Windows in such an environment you would commit career suicide on the spot.
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In the end though, he has a fair point in that what's the point in paying for expensive intel processors and GPUs when Apple's form factor means that it can't dissipate the heat that these components make, meaning that they start to throttle fairly quickly?
I think it's fair to make the criticism of Apple that their industrial design for the MBP is now way more favouring form over function - when it should be a near enough equal balance of the two (which arguably they had up to the 2015 MBP).
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