Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Dealbreaker: Xtrafinder not in 10.9...
- Thread starter Lolito
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Whilst I agree with some of what you've said, I also think you've been unnecessarily rude and douchey in the way you've delivered the message.
The guy simply asked if Xtrafinder is working. It's not.
I suspect his criticisms of Finder and Apple in general contributed to the attitude being shown by a number of people here. Typical Acolyte behaviour.
----------
Where did they state an expectation that this software should be working with Mavericks? I can only see some light-hearted disappointment that it's not. Feel free to quote the OP.
Whining about whining. An original concept for the WWW.
----------
The OP did, they made a number of pretty good points over a number of posts as to what they think the short comings of Finder are.
Anyways, i'm bowing out of this "discussion" now (which is really you attempting to bully and demean the OP) but i'll be sure to report a number of your abusive posts on the way out.
I'm perfectly content to be polite to people who demonstrate either politeness, or at least don't go out of their way to brazenly show off their entitled ignorance. For reference, see my posts in response to the person who ran into trouble installing Mavericks over a machine with two internal hard disks on ML. Or many of my posts over the 8+ years I've been here.
I'll debate people who say things I disagree with, I'll help people who ask whose issues I'm familiar with, I'll ask for help myself when I need it, and occasionally, I will indeed be rude to those who go out of their way to be obnoxious. I can appreciate that you don't care for the latter, but I make no apologies for my responses to the OP in this thread.
Lolito did not remotely "simply" do that. He stated that it was broken, and whinged as if some great injustice had been done to him because a free Finder mod developed by someone in their spare time doesn't work on an early developer preview of a new version of OS X that he isn't supposed to be using in the first place. He eschewed alternatives offered to him by other members who tried to be helpful. And when it was pointed out to him that he was perhaps being unreasonable, he scoffed, then continued ignorantly bashing Apple for the great crime of releasing new unfinished software that he managed to gain access to inappropriately.
Rather than file a bug report, or send in a customer feedback form, he took the opportunity to draw attention to himself and his galling brattiness. And since I was in the mood, I obliged him.
Oh, look at the shoe on the other foot, from someone complaining of rudeness and "douchiness." The mind-reading dismissal. Apple is a religion, and I'm an adherent, all because I pointed out the ridiculousness of one person's entitled and ignorant attitude. You know me so well. From one day to the next, here and elsewhere, I'm either an Apple fanboy, an Apple hater, a Google fanboy, a Windows fanboy, and god knows what else. I explained my reasoning. Make up fictions about me for your own convenience if you wish. But know that you've struck no blows for civility here.
Try the title, or just read the very first post. Or, for good measure, this exchange:
Plain as day.
Another blow for politeness and non-douchiness.
There are a near infinity of ways in which to reasonably voice criticisms of the Finder. Had the OP created a thread to discuss them, or joined in on another one of the enormously common ones using the search function, no one would have batted an eyelash.
Something like this, for example: "Apple's finally brought tabs to the Finder, but I really got used to the top-tabs like in Chrome, XtraFinder and TotalFinder. I think they work much better. And as someone who uses Safari, I don't particularly care if the Finder's tabs comply with it. Also: why can we still not get any love for dual-pane views? Surely Apple is aware of them as a concept. What do they have against it? Why won't they add it? It makes file management so much quicker for me." That would've been completely reasonable.
Instead, he created a whole thread to whine about the fact that Apple updated the Finder at all, thus (almost certainly temporarily, given the developer's Twitter stream) breaking a mod for it that someone else developed.
First an endorsement of politeness, then a torrent of libelous conjecture and namecalling, then an endorsement of discussion, followed by an announcement you're just sniping at me, and not here to actually have one. "An original concept for the WWW" indeed.
my god...
back to topic, as 10.9 is here to stay, and apple won't do any mayor improvements even in GM, would be nice if together we can find out how to enable some of these features that are so nice, specially middle click for opening and closing tabs, so it will work as an internet browser or without the need to use the keyboard.
Maybe better toutch tool or mouse gestures can be set up for doing this? I'll keep you posted. Any help would be welcome.
Off-topic comments will be ignored.
back to topic, as 10.9 is here to stay, and apple won't do any mayor improvements even in GM, would be nice if together we can find out how to enable some of these features that are so nice, specially middle click for opening and closing tabs, so it will work as an internet browser or without the need to use the keyboard.
Maybe better toutch tool or mouse gestures can be set up for doing this? I'll keep you posted. Any help would be welcome.
Off-topic comments will be ignored.
I'm in the same boat and agree with the OP.
I really love Xtrafinder, I find it the best Finder experience by far.
Tried Forklift2, Pathfinder, Totalfinder,... but they all had it's downsides. They were too expensive OR too complicated OR too network-orientated OR too unstable OR being an app on its own. I just wanted the actual Finder itself to be useable. Xtrafinder did that, and even more, and even for free! It's integrated so well you'd forget you've installed it and Finder isn't like this natively.
When Apple announced tabs in Finder I was immediately sad. Others were like "WHOOO finally!" but I was thinking of Xtrafinder to become obsolete, to be conflicting or worse: not be compatible at all. Xtrafinder is so much more than some tabs Apple would implement cheaply into the Finder.
- Tabs at the top of the window (like in Chrome, Opera, Firefox,... like it should!)
- Choose from Chrome-like or Opera-like tabs (prefer Opera-like, fits better, looks like iOS-tabs and more Apple-like)
- Middle mouse click to open a folder as a new tab (like Chrome does)
- Merging two Finder windows into one by dragging tabs (like Chrome does)
- Making multiple Finder windows by dragging tabs out of the window (like Chrome does)
- Dragging tabs between different windows (like... you get the point. It's just ultimate tab-freedom)
- Save opened tabs when closing Finder
- Cut & paste
- Adjust column width automatically
- Folders on top
- Toggle dual panel browsing
- Fullscreen Finder
- Edit the alt-click/right-click Finder-menu
- ...
^stuff Apple does not offer while making Finder awesome
I really love Xtrafinder, I find it the best Finder experience by far.
Tried Forklift2, Pathfinder, Totalfinder,... but they all had it's downsides. They were too expensive OR too complicated OR too network-orientated OR too unstable OR being an app on its own. I just wanted the actual Finder itself to be useable. Xtrafinder did that, and even more, and even for free! It's integrated so well you'd forget you've installed it and Finder isn't like this natively.
When Apple announced tabs in Finder I was immediately sad. Others were like "WHOOO finally!" but I was thinking of Xtrafinder to become obsolete, to be conflicting or worse: not be compatible at all. Xtrafinder is so much more than some tabs Apple would implement cheaply into the Finder.
- Tabs at the top of the window (like in Chrome, Opera, Firefox,... like it should!)
- Choose from Chrome-like or Opera-like tabs (prefer Opera-like, fits better, looks like iOS-tabs and more Apple-like)
- Middle mouse click to open a folder as a new tab (like Chrome does)
- Merging two Finder windows into one by dragging tabs (like Chrome does)
- Making multiple Finder windows by dragging tabs out of the window (like Chrome does)
- Dragging tabs between different windows (like... you get the point. It's just ultimate tab-freedom)
- Save opened tabs when closing Finder
- Cut & paste
- Adjust column width automatically
- Folders on top
- Toggle dual panel browsing
- Fullscreen Finder
- Edit the alt-click/right-click Finder-menu
- ...
^stuff Apple does not offer while making Finder awesome
Last edited:
What I miss most about the Total Finder in Mavericks is the Dual Window toggle is missing. I wish it comes back soon. Dont care much about tabs to be honest. Was a lot easier with dual windows to just copy files from the local drive to the NAS.
TotalFinder will add to Mavericks
Hi guys, I'm on BinaryAge's support team and TotalFinder will work under Mavericks.
In fact, they have a beta that already runs under it (http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/) as the programmers port each features one by one.
Notably, there's also been discussion about doing a middle-click to open a new tab: http://discuss.binaryage.com/t/middle-click-to-open-new-tab/103/4
Hi guys, I'm on BinaryAge's support team and TotalFinder will work under Mavericks.
In fact, they have a beta that already runs under it (http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/) as the programmers port each features one by one.
Notably, there's also been discussion about doing a middle-click to open a new tab: http://discuss.binaryage.com/t/middle-click-to-open-new-tab/103/4
There is now.
There wasn't on June 26.Is there that much demand for middle-click functionality on Macs? I don't even have any Mac input devices with a middle button. (I have a Magic Mouse and a Magic Trackpad. I use Better Touch Tool and gestures to do those sort of things.)
For that matter, even the Microsoft Touch Mouse on my main Windows computer lacks a middle button. (I do have a back-up mouse that my son and I occasionally pull out for games that has a traditional scroll-wheel button.)
Allow me to quote myself since I think this is a more appropriate thread to ask.
Anyone experiencing the same? Could you try it for me?
I already emailed the developer btw.
I installed the GM on my old iMac and I'm having trouble with Xtra Finder. I can't drag files.. if I reboot, I am able to drag one but then it never moves to where I want. Once I do that once, I can never drag files again until I reboot. Anyone with the same issue?
EDIT:
Well, after a little more testing I realised that, it only happens after I try dragging and dropping a file into a Tab (Xtrafinder Tab btw). If I drag files normally (without the use of tabs), I can do it as much as I want. As soon as I try dropping a file in a tab, dragging stops working altogether.
Anyone experiencing the same? Could you try it for me?
I already emailed the developer btw.
Have you checked out PathFinder I have used it for years and it works well.
Edit: Damn a necro thread meh ...
I was using Xtrafinder before upgrading to Mavericks, and I have got along perfectly fine without it. Some people just refuse to adapt and that's their own problem. I miss not being able to "Cut" files but I also like many things about Mavericks so this tiny little thing isn't going to keep me locked into ML which was an inferior OS.
XtraFinder 0.17.4 works fine for me in Mavericks GM on an unsupported Mac Pro 1,1 (booted via Chameleon).
Yes, you are right. It does have shortcomings, which I'm convinced its developer will iron out soon enough. For now, in the rare cases where functionality is crippled after some odd action, you can always relaunch Finder and then reload XtraFinder. That did it for me.
Thank you for trying it out. Yes, I know that, by relaunching Finder, I am able to solve the issue. I was just wondering if the issue was only on my side.
totalfinder 1.5.2 works fine for me but xtrafinder (folders on top specifically) does not work in both the original mavericks gm from a few weeks ago and the newer gm build from a few days ago. no idea about todays official release though.
Sadly, XtraFinder does NOT work properly with the full fledged non-beta version of Mavericks. The finder won't even show any TEXT in it with it running here (and it's the latest non-beta version according to its own update menu option). Just running (without a Finder even open), Mavericks acts weird with strange delays on most things and the second monitor's menu bar flashes when I click on the primary monitor's menu bar. If I stop running XtraFinder, all those problems go away.
I don't even "get" the side-bar showing a "Tags" menu with Apple's updated Finder. I've never tagged a file before and I have no idea why that's taking up space there. To remove it, I had to manually unselect each color in the preferences (two clicks since the next click checks the default blue " -" selection).
I don't see a new tabs button. I had to use the menu bar or a shortcut key combination to get one. Like Safari's ugly look, they don't stand out with just two tabs since each tab is half as wide as the Finder window itself (ugly; hard to look at). Tabs are OK, but dual-pane was my favorite feature in Xtrafinder. It's the primary reason I installed it. I hope an update that functions correctly is offered soon.
Apple just doesn't "get" how to make the Finder more useful. It took them years just to add tabs. My old Amiga from the early 1990's had dual-pane options in DiskMaster II and Directory Opus. There is no easier way to move files from one directory and/or drive to another. I always have to open a second finder window and move/re-size it in order to copy things and it just seems so pointless that they don't have a simple dual-pane feature to begin with. At least in Windows you can select the files you want to move and click "CUT" and then move to the directory you want to move them to and click Paste. No such options on a Mac. You have to either already have a side-bar shortcut for where you want the files to go to or open a second window. It's just not user friendly and that's just too darn ironic given how friendly the rest of OSX generally is. All these color tag options...Who gives a frack? They need to FIRE that Jonathan Ive for all this god-awful crayon color crap. It's hideous in iOS and now it's starting to show signs of cropping up all over OSX proper. Just fraking awful.
I don't even "get" the side-bar showing a "Tags" menu with Apple's updated Finder. I've never tagged a file before and I have no idea why that's taking up space there. To remove it, I had to manually unselect each color in the preferences (two clicks since the next click checks the default blue " -" selection).
I don't see a new tabs button. I had to use the menu bar or a shortcut key combination to get one. Like Safari's ugly look, they don't stand out with just two tabs since each tab is half as wide as the Finder window itself (ugly; hard to look at). Tabs are OK, but dual-pane was my favorite feature in Xtrafinder. It's the primary reason I installed it. I hope an update that functions correctly is offered soon.
Apple just doesn't "get" how to make the Finder more useful. It took them years just to add tabs. My old Amiga from the early 1990's had dual-pane options in DiskMaster II and Directory Opus. There is no easier way to move files from one directory and/or drive to another. I always have to open a second finder window and move/re-size it in order to copy things and it just seems so pointless that they don't have a simple dual-pane feature to begin with. At least in Windows you can select the files you want to move and click "CUT" and then move to the directory you want to move them to and click Paste. No such options on a Mac. You have to either already have a side-bar shortcut for where you want the files to go to or open a second window. It's just not user friendly and that's just too darn ironic given how friendly the rest of OSX generally is. All these color tag options...Who gives a frack? They need to FIRE that Jonathan Ive for all this god-awful crayon color crap. It's hideous in iOS and now it's starting to show signs of cropping up all over OSX proper. Just fraking awful.
