Minimalist is great. I've been using it for the past 6 months (on a yearly sub) from 1Password and it's been impeccable. I wish the password vulnerability alert feature would come sooner than later, but other than that it's so refreshing to be able to talk to the dev and see bugs fixed and features implemented.
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There’s far better options out there. This very very long thread here discusses them:
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1Password migrants thread
Now look at this. And this: https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/ So we are supposed to trust our data to that company? Don't get me wrong, software will always have security issues and flaws. There will always be mistakes and holes and they will stuff them and with the next...
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I haven’t heard that, it would be great. What’s your source for it?
nothing is free and bitwarden UI is freaking ugly, it looks like a wordpress cheap theme, even with a pencil to edit something lol
Is it cricket to note out that Clipperz.is is a free, open source password manager which lets the user set an encryption key known only to them? The cloud-based app is accessible from any browser, is free and has been so since its inception in 2006.
Could somebody please explain to me, why should I pay 18 bucks a year for something the Keychain app does for free?
There were much discussions in one of the other threads. Keychain is only (mainly?) for passwords, and only (mainly?) for iOS users. 1P works for important documents (e.g. passports), and can work for those who aren't on the iOS ecosystem. There may also be some set up required where they'll need access to your iOS account? Other details escape me, but there were definitely some fans of 1P who will still continue with it (vs. the fair # who won't)
Keychain isn’t cross platform, doesn’t have shared vaults, and among other things.
Why? Because you don’t use it, no one else should? Is it costing you money while it’s around? I’m sick of “I don’t like it so no one else can use it” mentality
Removal of local vaults and removal of using your own cloud service to sync = No Sale.
Bye Felicia.
Moved to Enpass and very happy with the product.
Bye Felicia.
Moved to Enpass and very happy with the product.
Not an option. They even took down the licensing servers.
Read the writing on the wall, time to move on.
Let's get started here.
- 1Password 8 is all subscription or nothing at all. They dropped all pricing for standalone versions, to the point where you can no longer purchase a license for it. There is no upgrade path for anything standalone prior to 1Password 7. If you are on anything older, your next upgrade is to 8 and a subscription, or you're stuck where you're at.
- Electron for 1Password 8. Some may be okay with it, some are upset at how bloated it is going to be, but to each their own there.
- All vaults are not only stored in the cloud, but must be stored on 1Password's servers ONLY. You no longer have a choice as to where you can store your vaults. Like with all Cloud services, this puts your legal rights into a bind. If the authorities investigate you for any reason, you would not be safe in the authorities requiring a warrant to seize your vaults in a cloud service: encrypted, decrypted, locked, unlocked, or otherwise. The reason for this is that you are not in physical ownership of your data; the Cloud service or SaaS provider is, and they would be considered 3rd party to any investigation of you. All that the authorities would need is to ask them to turn it over or get a subpoena to have them hand it over, and they will have no choice.
Also, what happens to your data when you cancel your subscription? It is still in the possession of AgileBits/1Password, so can you trust that they will remove your data?
- In a year's time (call it 18 month's time) for a normal individual purchase, you would have paid as much for that subscription than you would for a lifetime/permanent license. In fact, someone stated in another thread that they spent $4/month since 2016 for a 1Password subscription. So compare that to when the last version of 1Password 6 was available at its sale price at $40 for a lifetime license.
For a subscription: $4 x 12 months = 48/year. 48/year * 5 years = $240, just from 2016 to today.
For that lifetime license: $40. And again, that is just from 2016 to today.
You'll be paying more monthly for the cost of the same application as I have over time, and seeing that 1Password is never reverting away from a monthly subscription SaaS, you're stuck.
- When Apple drops Rosetta 2 support, all Intel binaries will refuse to run on a Silicon Mac. So you're on borrowed time if you're using a Silicon Mac, and also on borrowed time for when Intel Mac users are stuck on the last version of MacOS with Intel support.
There's an entire 50 page thread on this where everyone goes into detail on this, plus what other options there are that people are migrating to, away from 1Password.
1Password migrants thread
So as you know 1Password is forcing you to the subscription model which is something I refuse to pay for a simple piece of software that is basically a glorified password protected spreadsheet file browser. I am fed up of subscription model and greedy companies that abuses it. I have already...
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BL.
Same. Being the "tech support" in my family I very much appreciate a good, intuitive interface. LastPass wasn't it, 1Password Families absolutely is. Every time my wife asks for a login for something and I get to say "it's in 1Password" it just paid for itself as far as I'm concerned.
I say that to my spouse too who is VERY tech challenged, but found that 1password would too easily create multiple entries whenever he used it. The database was becoming a mess. Switched to Sticky Password and haven’t had a problem so far. Also got a good deal for $30 lifetime license. Just didn’t want to put up with the complexity and issues of 1password anymore nor the recurring subscription.
I’m still with my 1p version 6 since forever (I might have started at 1p v.3 or something like it. I started using it around 2010).
Still working good with M1 and iPhone with iCloud sync but one day I would need to find an alternative. I’m okay to pay once and a while, but not every month.
Still working good with M1 and iPhone with iCloud sync but one day I would need to find an alternative. I’m okay to pay once and a while, but not every month.
You're in the same boat as me. I started at 1PW 3 and am now still on 1PW 6.8.9. It runs smoothly on my mid-2011 MBA, and will continue to do so until this Mac dies.
But once we update to a newer Mac (read: Silicon), we'd have to rely on Rosetta 2 to keep 1PW 6 working. When Apple drops Rosetta 2 from MacOS, it will stop working, so we'll either be stuck at that previous version of MacOS, or have to migrate. Worse would happen if on the last Intel Macs. When Apple drops all Intel support from MacOS, we'd be stuck at that last version of MacOS until it dies. Either way, not good as we'd be on borrowed time.
I cut the losses and moved to Enpass. Same functionality, and a seamless import of my entire 1PW vault. That makes it easy for one to be in control of their data.
BL.
I subscribe to 1Password and I'm okay with it. It's $2.99/month billed annually for a personal account. I can afford $36/year for a password management system that works across my Mac, Windows, iOS, and Android devices.
I do prefer buying a lifetime license if I could, and I miss the ability to sync to a local vault that I could put on Dropbox, but I can deal.
One reason I don't trust Keychain is because everybody has it, which makes it an easy target. A few years ago I upgraded the video converter app 'Handbrake' on my Mac and ran it, and it asked for my admin password so that it could install some codecs. Guess what? The Handbrake download server had been compromised, the version of Handbrake I downloaded was a trojan, and when it asked for my admin password it then sent that along with a copy of my keychain files to a remote server. The hackers would then be able to use my admin password to decrypt my keychain. Fortunately at that point I was already using 1Password for all my password data, so the keychain had nothing useful in it. (The trojan also sent my 1Password vault files to the hackers, but these were useless as they didn't get my 1Password vault password, and 1Password let me easily see all of my online accounts so that I could immediately go start changing passwords just in case.)
I do prefer buying a lifetime license if I could, and I miss the ability to sync to a local vault that I could put on Dropbox, but I can deal.
One reason I don't trust Keychain is because everybody has it, which makes it an easy target. A few years ago I upgraded the video converter app 'Handbrake' on my Mac and ran it, and it asked for my admin password so that it could install some codecs. Guess what? The Handbrake download server had been compromised, the version of Handbrake I downloaded was a trojan, and when it asked for my admin password it then sent that along with a copy of my keychain files to a remote server. The hackers would then be able to use my admin password to decrypt my keychain. Fortunately at that point I was already using 1Password for all my password data, so the keychain had nothing useful in it. (The trojan also sent my 1Password vault files to the hackers, but these were useless as they didn't get my 1Password vault password, and 1Password let me easily see all of my online accounts so that I could immediately go start changing passwords just in case.)
This is where something like Enpass or Codebook can come in, with Enpass being easier. You can get that for the 1-time purchase, works across all devices, gives you standalone/local vaults, sync over WiFi, plus store in Dropbox or any other cloud-based service.
1Password's UI is definitely cleaner and glossier, but Enpass does everything now that 1Password is moving away from. You may find it better and more cost effective. After 14 months, you'll find that you've paid more for a 1Password monthly subscription (and gimped of features it used to have), than you would have for a 1Password or Enpass standalone license.
BL.
One thing that is good about 1password is that you can setup multiple vault and share with family member or even manage them for tech challenged or elder parents (that doesn’t live with you) and such. Can enpass do that? Or do you have any suggestion.
I can see a solution with enpass, but that’s require other people install say Dropbox or some file sharing that would allow you to have access to their vault to help them manage. I knew quite a few friends going with 1password for this very reason.
Yes, you can. I did that with both Enpass and Codebook. Both are clearly capable of doing that, without needing to store those vaults in a place outside of your control. In addition, should that service get compromised (like how Lastpass was compromised twice in the past 9 months), it wouldn't be just your personal data that gets compromised; those family member's data would be compromised as well. This is why it really isn't a good thing to store PII, PHI, PCI, or password data in the cloud or at any third party service. The moment it's out, there's no stopping it, and are then looking at trying to protect yourself against identity theft. It is always better to have that in your own control rather than stored by someone else you may not trust.
It takes little work to set up site-to-site VPN between your place and your family members place, and manage the vault that way. That's what I did with my parents and their passwords, and they live in 2 distinct locations.
BL.
I get a kick out of you guys that want a permanent paid up license but then want permanent support.
They are going to miss their sales targets for individuals. Anyone who wants to paying rolling subs for a password manager will already be doing so.
Agile Bits binned off tens of thousands of users who made them great because the founders wanted a payday and they are not coming back anytime soon, if ever.
Agile Bits binned off tens of thousands of users who made them great because the founders wanted a payday and they are not coming back anytime soon, if ever.
I get a kick out of poor saps who pay through the nose every month to keep their software working.
As for myself, if I pay for a permanent license for an app I expect it to work as advertised and faults to be fixed at no further cost to myself.