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[TwoBytes]

Let's get started here.

1. 1Password 8 is all subscription or nothing at all. They dropped all pricing for standalone versions, to the point where you can no longer purchase a license for it. There is no upgrade path for anything standalone prior to 1Password 7. If you are on anything older, your next upgrade is to 8 and a subscription, or you're stuck where you're at.
   
   
2. Electron for 1Password 8. Some may be okay with it, some are upset at how bloated it is going to be, but to each their own there.
   
   
3. All vaults are not only stored in the cloud, but must be stored on 1Password's servers ONLY. You no longer have a choice as to where you can store your vaults. Like with all Cloud services, this puts your legal rights into a bind. If the authorities investigate you for any reason, you would not be safe in the authorities requiring a warrant to seize your vaults in a cloud service: encrypted, decrypted, locked, unlocked, or otherwise. The reason for this is that you are not in physical ownership of your data; the Cloud service or SaaS provider is, and they would be considered 3rd party to any investigation of you. All that the authorities would need is to ask them to turn it over or get a subpoena to have them hand it over, and they will have no choice.
   
   Also, what happens to your data when you cancel your subscription? It is still in the possession of AgileBits/1Password, so can you trust that they will remove your data?
   
   
4. In a year's time (call it 18 month's time) for a normal individual purchase, you would have paid as much for that subscription than you would for a lifetime/permanent license. In fact, someone stated in another thread that they spent $4/month since 2016 for a 1Password subscription. So compare that to when the last version of 1Password 6 was available at its sale price at $40 for a lifetime license.
   
   For a subscription: $4 x 12 months = 48/year. 48/year * 5 years = $240, just from 2016 to today.
   For that lifetime license: $40. And again, that is just from 2016 to today.
   
   You'll be paying more monthly for the cost of the same application as I have over time, and seeing that 1Password is never reverting away from a monthly subscription SaaS, you're stuck.
   
   
5. When Apple drops Rosetta 2 support, all Intel binaries will refuse to run on a Silicon Mac. So you're on borrowed time if you're using a Silicon Mac, and also on borrowed time for when Intel Mac users are stuck on the last version of MacOS with Intel support.

So you're overpaying over the course of a year, lose control over your data, stuck with what you can do, and see that their business practices are moving away from the individual, which is what their business was geared towards when they started the company. So a lot of changes, and not all of them good.

There's an entire 50 page thread on this where everyone goes into detail on this, plus what other options there are that people are migrating to, away from 1Password.

1Password migrants thread

So as you know 1Password is forcing you to the subscription model which is something I refuse to pay for a simple piece of software that is basically a glorified password protected spreadsheet file browser. I am fed up of subscription model and greedy companies that abuses it. I have already...

forums.macrumors.com

BL.

This should be pinned at the top of this thread!! 1password really has changed for the worse.

 

[canadianreader]

They are going to miss their sales targets for individuals. Anyone who wants to paying rolling subs for a password manager will already be doing so.

Agile Bits binned off tens of thousands of users who made them great because the founders wanted a payday and they are not coming back anytime soon, if ever.

They’re done for life and desperately looking for new subscribers with these promos, first with Parallels Desktop bundle and now thru MR.

 

[Futurix]

I replaced 1Password with StrongBox and couldn’t be happier.

 

[GDF]

I have been testing 1Password and have always used Apple’s Keychain. I am totally on the Appel ecosystem and while 1Password seems nice, I still find myself using Keychain. Not sure what else I am really gaining by paying for 1Password.

 

[steve62388]

I cut the losses and moved to Enpass. Same functionality, and a seamless import of my entire 1PW vault. That makes it easy for one to be in control of their data.

Really? You had a seamless migration? I’ve just bought a six month Enpass sub to try it out and migrated my data from 1P. Every single item that had anything more than just a very basic login requires editing. Fields have ended up all over the place. Some software purchase dates are one day out. I have an awful lot of work ahead of me.

 

[Sciomar]

Why? Because you don’t use it, no one else should? Is it costing you money while it’s around? I’m sick of “I don’t like it so no one else can use it” mentality

It's an online forum for the expression of opinions, you don't have to like or agree with all of them. I'm sick of the subscription for everything model.

 

[mva68]

What happens if 1Password goes bankrupt? Will the services shut down and can I loose access to my passwords because the app won't startup anymore? If so, we have to pay for it or have a good backup plan just in case.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

Let's get started here.

1. 1Password 8 is all subscription or nothing at all. They dropped all pricing for standalone versions, to the point where you can no longer purchase a license for it. There is no upgrade path for anything standalone prior to 1Password 7. If you are on anything older, your next upgrade is to 8 and a subscription, or you're stuck where you're at.
   
   
2. Electron for 1Password 8. Some may be okay with it, some are upset at how bloated it is going to be, but to each their own there.
   
   
3. All vaults are not only stored in the cloud, but must be stored on 1Password's servers ONLY. You no longer have a choice as to where you can store your vaults. Like with all Cloud services, this puts your legal rights into a bind. If the authorities investigate you for any reason, you would not be safe in the authorities requiring a warrant to seize your vaults in a cloud service: encrypted, decrypted, locked, unlocked, or otherwise. The reason for this is that you are not in physical ownership of your data; the Cloud service or SaaS provider is, and they would be considered 3rd party to any investigation of you. All that the authorities would need is to ask them to turn it over or get a subpoena to have them hand it over, and they will have no choice.
   
   Also, what happens to your data when you cancel your subscription? It is still in the possession of AgileBits/1Password, so can you trust that they will remove your data?
   
   
4. In a year's time (call it 18 month's time) for a normal individual purchase, you would have paid as much for that subscription than you would for a lifetime/permanent license. In fact, someone stated in another thread that they spent $4/month since 2016 for a 1Password subscription. So compare that to when the last version of 1Password 6 was available at its sale price at $40 for a lifetime license.
   
   For a subscription: $4 x 12 months = 48/year. 48/year * 5 years = $240, just from 2016 to today.
   For that lifetime license: $40. And again, that is just from 2016 to today.
   
   You'll be paying more monthly for the cost of the same application as I have over time, and seeing that 1Password is never reverting away from a monthly subscription SaaS, you're stuck.
   
   
5. When Apple drops Rosetta 2 support, all Intel binaries will refuse to run on a Silicon Mac. So you're on borrowed time if you're using a Silicon Mac, and also on borrowed time for when Intel Mac users are stuck on the last version of MacOS with Intel support.

So you're overpaying over the course of a year, lose control over your data, stuck with what you can do, and see that their business practices are moving away from the individual, which is what their business was geared towards when they started the company. So a lot of changes, and not all of them good.

There's an entire 50 page thread on this where everyone goes into detail on this, plus what other options there are that people are migrating to, away from 1Password.

1Password migrants thread

So as you know 1Password is forcing you to the subscription model which is something I refuse to pay for a simple piece of software that is basically a glorified password protected spreadsheet file browser. I am fed up of subscription model and greedy companies that abuses it. I have already...

forums.macrumors.com

BL.

It’s 2.99 a month for single and $4.99 a month for family. Where are you getting those prices?

So $35.88 a year and $59.88 a year. Now the family is for 5 users, so less than a $1 a month per user.

This should be pinned at the top of this thread!! 1password really has changed for the worse.

That’s an opinion. I like 1Password. The fact I have guest vaults is huge for me, and great to use for work and my work password without going against my family users. If I was to go with Bitwarden’s family, I would have to get 2 subscriptions to handle all the users that I have.
Also, that post you quoted has the pricing wrong.

What happens if 1Password goes bankrupt? Will the services shut down and can I loose access to my passwords because the app won't startup anymore? If so, we have to pay for it or have a good backup plan just in case.

if 1Password blows up their severs, you info will still be on your device, you just can sync anymore.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

It's an online forum for the expression of opinions, you don't have to like or agree with all of them. I'm sick of the subscription for everything model.

No one is forcing you to use it, are they? This is why I don’t get this at all. People complain about something they don’t even use.

They are going to miss their sales targets for individuals. Anyone who wants to paying rolling subs for a password manager will already be doing so.

Agile Bits binned off tens of thousands of users who made them great because the founders wanted a payday and they are not coming back anytime soon, if ever.

No, this is why this gets posts on here with these prices:

Note: MacRumors is an affiliate partner with 1Password. When you click a link and make a purchase, we may receive a small payment, which helps us keep the site running.

If you go on 1Passwords site, you don’t get these prices, MR gets a kick back. I would do it too on my business site if I got a kick back.

 

[mansplains]

Minimalist is great. I've been using it for the past 6 months (on a yearly sub) from 1Password and it's been impeccable. I wish the password vulnerability alert feature would come sooner than later, but other than that it's so refreshing to be able to talk to the dev and see bugs fixed and features implemented.

I went all in with perpetual. I contacted dev as well, it's definitely more comforting to have that personal interaction available. The biggest thing I want is shared vaults so I can get my wife off of 1P and iCK.

 

[Goodeye]

Id sign up for that price a year but something seems up because they are not sending the verification code to my email so I can sign up.

EDIT: They finally came through about 8 of them all at once after about 20 minutes or so of trying to sign up ?‍♂️

 

[ignatius345]

I say that to my spouse too who is VERY tech challenged, but found that 1password would too easily create multiple entries whenever he used it. The database was becoming a mess. Switched to Sticky Password and haven’t had a problem so far. Also got a good deal for $30 lifetime license. Just didn’t want to put up with the complexity and issues of 1password anymore nor the recurring subscription.

Huh! We've got it working smoothly and I'm very reluctant to switch systems at this point. Interesting info though, thanks!

 

[bradl]

It’s 2.99 a month for single and $4.99 a month for family. Where are you getting those prices?

The same place you got them from: 1Password, as well as another user in the 1Password Migrants thread.

So $35.88 a year and $59.88 a year. Now the family is for 5 users, so less than a $1 a month per user.

You're not taking into account the recurring cost versus the 1-time cost. I bought 1Password 6 on sale for $39 when it came out, when it was regularly $49. In 13 months, that lifetime license at $39 has broken even with the individual subscription. At the 14-month mark, the lifetime license is cheaper than the subscription. But the subscription will still have to be paid ad infinitum or until the subscription is cancelled, while I keep what I have, working forever.

The family plan? at 8 months, my lifetime license is cheaper. But let's roll that back to 1Password 7, when they started subscriptions and crunch the numbers. 1Password 7 was released in May of 2018. Let's take those subscription costs above and roll them through to today. If an individual bought a subscription in May of 2018, this coming May would be 4 years of having that subscription.

4 years * 12 months = 48 months.
2.99/month * 48 months = 143.32.

Let's roll the family plan.

4.99/month * 48 months = 239.52.

That lifetime license? $49. The lifetime license cost was a little more than 3 times less than the individual subscription, and 6 times as less than the family.

That's where those numbers come from.

That’s an opinion. I like 1Password. The fact I have guest vaults is huge for me, and great to use for work and my work password without going against my family users. If I was to go with Bitwarden’s family, I would have to get 2 subscriptions to handle all the users that I have.
Also, that post you quoted has the pricing wrong.

I only went with Enpass and Codebook (for a short period of time) to cover data for both sides of my family. One is no longer needed now, so I have stayed with Enpass. I can create multiple vaults just like what you're doing in EnPass (I did that also with 1Password) so it is still just as manageable as 1Password was before they went the subscription route and killed off all standalone versions.

if 1Password blows up their severs, you info will still be on your device, you just can sync anymore.

That's the problem. Your data will still be on your device, but do you know what 1Password would do when they have your data? Can you trust that they will not do anything with your data that will compromise your security of the items in your vault? They can promise nothing will happen, but that is no guarantee. LastPass and Dashlane are perfect examples of that.

BL.

 

[ackmondual]

I get a kick out of you guys that want a permanent paid up license but then want permanent support.

I'm more amused that a site with avid Apple fans, who typically will pay a premium for "better stuff", are complaining about paying more. I get everyone has their limits and that these things do add up. Also that the claims that "iPhone users spend more" weren't necessarily true, but you'd think in the context of iDevices and Mac hardware, $25 to $50 per year would stir up this level of frenzy.

I get a kick out of poor saps who pay through the nose every month to keep their software working.

As for myself, if I pay for a permanent license for an app I expect it to work as advertised and faults to be fixed at no further cost to myself.

Serious question, but do we really know this is true, or just what we were expecting? I'd read the EULA and other agreements, but, it's not worth my time. I know that people getting upset because the app they paid for will suddenly no longer work due to new hardware requirements, or those imposed by Apple (e.g. new coding standards, need to support a minimum iOS) never really held water.

 

[bpeeps]

I’d stay away from 1Password based on their recent changes.

Like what? You haven't given us any information here.

 

[bradl]

I'm more amused that a site with avid Apple fans, who typically will pay a premium for "better stuff", are complaining about paying more. I get everyone has their limits and that these things do add up. Also that the claims that "iPhone users spend more" weren't necessarily true, but you'd think in the context of iDevices and Mac hardware, $25 to $50 per year would stir up this level of frenzy.

When you've paid $25 to $50 at a one-time cost then have to be resorted to paying that same amount per year for the same service you already have at that one-time cost forever, you'd be upset as well.

Serious question, but do we really know this is true, or just what we were expecting? I'd read the EULA and other agreements, but, it's not worth my time. I know that people getting upset because the app they paid for will suddenly no longer work due to new hardware requirements, or those imposed by Apple (e.g. new coding standards, need to support a minimum iOS) never really held water.

This is true. Paying the 1-time cost for 1Password 6 when it came out got us all software support and updates for the lifetime of the particular SDLC. That includes getting all the way up to 1Password 6.8.9, which is the latest version of 1Password 6 available. We received those updates free of charge because of buying that permanent, standalone license.

1Password 6 isn't going to just simply stop working, or stop working on hardware that it runs and is already supported on. I've been running it on my mid-2011 13" MBA since it came out, and back to 1Password 3. As long as my Mac still works, it will always run that software. What people are upset about isn't hardware requirements changing, but that 1Password is not offering any other alternative to their subscription model, which goes completely away from the 7 previous versions they've built their company on. That is what people are upset about, because those customers are now left completely in the cold without any way to continue their use of 1Password without paying more for something they already bought.

BL.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

The same place you got them from: 1Password, as well as another user in the 1Password Migrants thread.



You're not taking into account the recurring cost versus the 1-time cost. I bought 1Password 6 on sale for $39 when it came out, when it was regularly $49. In 13 months, that lifetime license at $39 has broken even with the individual subscription. At the 14-month mark, the lifetime license is cheaper than the subscription. But the subscription will still have to be paid ad infinitum or until the subscription is cancelled, while I keep what I have, working forever.

The family plan? at 8 months, my lifetime license is cheaper. But let's roll that back to 1Password 7, when they started subscriptions and crunch the numbers. 1Password 7 was released in May of 2018. Let's take those subscription costs above and roll them through to today. If an individual bought a subscription in May of 2018, this coming May would be 4 years of having that subscription.

4 years * 12 months = 48 months.
2.99/month * 48 months = 143.32.

Let's roll the family plan.

4.99/month * 48 months = 239.52.

That lifetime license? $49. The lifetime license cost was a little more than 3 times less than the individual subscription, and 6 times as less than the family.

That's where those numbers come from.

Your post said:

For a subscription: $4 x 12 months = 48/year. 48/year * 5 years = $240, just from 2016 to today.
For that lifetime license: $40. And again, that is just from 2016 to today.

This is why I asked where you got the price, because it wasn’t correct.

A “life time” might be cheaper to some, even though it’s never a life time. This is how I see it with the family plan, $1 per person per month ($12 a year per family member). It’s been a while since I had a license, but I think it was good for 3 computers. I think I have probably 11 devices between personal and work. Me alone, I would need 4 license, so $196 just for me. You probably get 3 years out of it, so $65 a year. For me, it’s already cheaper. This isn’t including my wife and her devices, my kids, and other people on my family account. If it was me, I would go to Bitwarden, but it’s not.

I only went with Enpass and Codebook (for a short period of time) to cover data for both sides of my family. One is no longer needed now, so I have stayed with Enpass. I can create multiple vaults just like what you're doing in EnPass (I did that also with 1Password) so it is still just as manageable as 1Password was before they went the subscription route and killed off all standalone versions.

That's fine, I'm glad that works for you. When I had the 1 time license, dealing with a 3rd party cloud to sync is not easy when it comes to people 70 plus year olds who live 100's miles away. They have zero issues with this set up and don't need my help. When we had to use Dropbox to sync, it was a nighmare.

That's the problem. Your data will still be on your device, but do you know what 1Password would do when they have your data? Can you trust that they will not do anything with your data that will compromise your security of the items in your vault? They can promise nothing will happen, but that is no guarantee. LastPass and Dashlane are perfect examples of that.

BL.

There hasn't been any info that the breaches caused issues. If they data gets out, it's an encrypted blob.

 

[bpeeps]

Could somebody please explain to me, why should I pay 18 bucks a year for something the Keychain app does for free?

Keychain is not cross platform. For those of us who use different browsers or PC's, Keychain falls short.

 

[bpeeps]

I get a kick out of you guys that want a permanent paid up license but then want permanent support.

That's how software has always worked up until the subscription nonsense of the past five years.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

That's how software has always worked up until the subscription nonsense of the past five years.

It's also takes more to do stuff. Heck, I remember when passwords weren't case sensitive.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

I get a kick out of you guys that want a permanent paid up license but then want permanent support.

Do you expect permanent support from Apple with Keychain?

 

[Mr. Heckles]

Do you expect permanent support from Apple with Keychain?

as long as you buy a device from them, they will support it.

 

[cmaier]

Like what? You haven't given us any information here.

Yes I did, a few posts later.

 

[umbilical]

I’m still with my 1p version 6 since forever (I might have started at 1p v.3 or something like it. I started using it around 2010).

Still working good with M1 and iPhone with iCloud sync but one day I would need to find an alternative. I’m okay to pay once and a while, but not every month.

I'm on the 6 too, with dropbox.
but I feel the risk, no updates is risky.

is sad see this: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1password-migrants-thread.2307443/ I mean the owners of 1pass destroy one of the best apps and services ever.

I don't know myself what do now.

 

[bradl]

I’m still with my 1p version 6 since forever (I might have started at 1p v.3 or something like it. I started using it around 2010).

Still working good with M1 and iPhone with iCloud sync but one day I would need to find an alternative. I’m okay to pay once and a while, but not every month.

What’s going to get you is when Rosetta 2 support is dropped. When that happens 1Password 6 will stop working, leaving you with needing to find an alternative.

I'm on the 6 too, with dropbox.
but I feel the risk, no updates is risky.

is sad see this: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1password-migrants-thread.2307443/ I mean the owners of 1pass destroy one of the best apps and services ever.

I don't know myself what do now.

You’ll do what the rest of us are doing: looking for an alternative to migrate to. So far the frontrunners are Enpass, Bitwarden, Strongbox, Codebook, and Sticky Password, in that order.

It all will come down to what alternative has the features that meet your requirements. Have a look through that thread, because there is a ton of info there.

BL.