Because most 15" and bigger PC laptops have a retarded numpad pushing the main keyboard off to one side, which forces you to position yourself to one side relative to the screen (or hold your hands at a funny angle). Apple laptops don't have this, so a) the trackpad is centered and b) you sit in front of the screen, not to one side.
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Dear APPLE, please make a MBP for gaming.
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Because most 15" and bigger PC laptops have a retarded numpad pushing the main keyboard off to one side, which forces you to position yourself to one side relative to the screen (or hold your hands at a funny angle). Apple laptops don't have this, so a) the trackpad is centered and b) you sit in front of the screen, not to one side.
If anyone can make a good looking (read uber cooling) gaming laptop, it's Apple.
...but yeah...until there's a way to NOT create gobs of heat and drain battery life, it's probably not going to happen like the Op suggests.
I've used the Asus G series and they all fail due to heat and mobo/power management issues.
I DO think there's a market that would bring a coveted demographic to Apple, but that alone would not bring Apple to spend the cash to develop said Magical Gaming Machine.
A lot of people talk heat with these and I manage my fans with SmcFanControl and by manually turning the heats up to full blast prior to the temps getting to 90 I find I can keep mine running 65-75 Celsius at pretty much all times while gaming on high.
The problem with an Apple gaming computer is that there aren't very many modern games for OS X. You would basically be buying an apple laptop to run windows on, what's the point of that?
If you really want a gaming laptop, go with sager: http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=products
If you really want a gaming laptop, go with sager: http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=products
I have always considered myself a part time gamer since the 80's when I bought my first computer, the Vic20.
I've now owned two MacBook Pro's - the first a 13" from 2009 and the second my 2.2 2011 15".. The reason for buying the new 2011 model was the 1GB graphics card which allows me to play games plus work during the day. Portal 2, Civ V - they all run very well indeed.
Got to say, for the money I paid for the new MacBook Pro I could have purchased a storming Windows laptop but for me there's comfort in knowing the MacBook Pro is built well, runs MacOS and I feel more part of something than I ever did with a Window's based machine and although that's not a tangible benefit, it means something to me..
I've now owned two MacBook Pro's - the first a 13" from 2009 and the second my 2.2 2011 15".. The reason for buying the new 2011 model was the 1GB graphics card which allows me to play games plus work during the day. Portal 2, Civ V - they all run very well indeed.
Got to say, for the money I paid for the new MacBook Pro I could have purchased a storming Windows laptop but for me there's comfort in knowing the MacBook Pro is built well, runs MacOS and I feel more part of something than I ever did with a Window's based machine and although that's not a tangible benefit, it means something to me..
No thank you, i already have two windows laptops and they are horrible. I'm buying a Macbook Pro soon anyway.
Devalue it's OS by offering a machine meant to run Windows? Haha you're funny.You probably meant to say Apple requires Macs to run OS X well. Performance under Windows is secondary. Yeah sure, Macs are designed to run OS X, but they can technically run Windows and Apple provides support and even advertises it as a feature.
To the op, Apple has specific power and heat requirements. No gaming notebook meets Apple's description.
Low-end MBP 15" with high-res screen: $1900
High-end MBP 15" with high-res screen: $2300
Put AMD HD 6900M, makes it $3000, makes MBP thicker for heat dissipation. Decreases battery life to 5 hours on IGP, 1 hour on GPU.
Put 12.7mm Blu-ray drive for gaming, makes it $3300. Even thicker and heavier.
4 slots of RAM and RAM bump to 8GB, raises cost to $3500.
Slap a 1TB 7200RPM HDD or 256GB SSD for performance, raises cost to $3700/$4000 respectively.
If Apple was to make a gaming laptop, the above WOULD NOT be a BTO laptop.
Which would you rather get: A decent MBP that can play most games at decent graphics level, which costs $2000
Or, a decked out MBP that can play games at a uselessly high detail level, which costs $4000?
Or, an Alienware for $1500, which you can easily hackintosh?
Your choice.
Allow me to rant:
GPU designers don't get it - my i7 Sandy Bridge in 2011 MBP sips power when idle, why don't GPUs do the same? Idle power use and power optimizations in general are missing in GPU designs - the race to get more horsepower is causing an overall deterioration in the user experience just to inflate some benchmark numbers. It doesn't help that while NVidia makes top notch drivers, their silicon can't manage heat / TDP and while ATi makes great hardware their drivers generally suck once you step outside the thin line treaded by popular games. I do OpenGL graphics development and the ATi GPU in my laptop is pissing me off for lack of OpenGL extensions - for some things the GeForce 8600M in my Santa Rosa MBP is faster.
GPU designers need to get their **** together and really fix idle power consumption - the average user that doesn't know about gfxCardStatus and has Twitter open is using the dGPU all the time and killing their battery life.
Also Apple needs to start paying more attention to the graphics department - the fact that they artificially limit HW in things like MSAA has to stop. Seriously.
GPU designers don't get it - my i7 Sandy Bridge in 2011 MBP sips power when idle, why don't GPUs do the same? Idle power use and power optimizations in general are missing in GPU designs - the race to get more horsepower is causing an overall deterioration in the user experience just to inflate some benchmark numbers. It doesn't help that while NVidia makes top notch drivers, their silicon can't manage heat / TDP and while ATi makes great hardware their drivers generally suck once you step outside the thin line treaded by popular games. I do OpenGL graphics development and the ATi GPU in my laptop is pissing me off for lack of OpenGL extensions - for some things the GeForce 8600M in my Santa Rosa MBP is faster.
GPU designers need to get their **** together and really fix idle power consumption - the average user that doesn't know about gfxCardStatus and has Twitter open is using the dGPU all the time and killing their battery life.
Also Apple needs to start paying more attention to the graphics department - the fact that they artificially limit HW in things like MSAA has to stop. Seriously.
A Macbook Pro made out of the same stuff as the Macbook so it won't burn you after a couple of hours of use and a better video card.
Well Apple could always just sell a version that gets a special EFI that OC's the CPU and GPU a small amount. The current 15in already blows away my desktop in CPU, matches it in RAM speed, and is only a little under its GPU.
My Desktop is a Overclocked AMD Phenom II 955 @ 3.7GHz, 8GB DDR3 @1600MHz, and a 6850 GPU.
I'm not sure about when OC'd but i know that stock the 6750 isn't a huge difference from the 6850, and when OC'd the 6750 would be even closer. Both are well over my 4850 I had that ran darn near everything. A person does not need dual GPU or the best top end i7 for gaming.
I partly think the gaming industry is going to rubbish as more people seem to care about how great a game looks more than how fun/creative it is.
My Desktop is a Overclocked AMD Phenom II 955 @ 3.7GHz, 8GB DDR3 @1600MHz, and a 6850 GPU.
I'm not sure about when OC'd but i know that stock the 6750 isn't a huge difference from the 6850, and when OC'd the 6750 would be even closer. Both are well over my 4850 I had that ran darn near everything. A person does not need dual GPU or the best top end i7 for gaming.
I partly think the gaming industry is going to rubbish as more people seem to care about how great a game looks more than how fun/creative it is.
agreed. is the windows laptop market (alienware, etc.) large?
a gaming LT would be a niche if there ever was one for Apple.
I am with you here.
Many times I have come close to selling my MBP for a gaming machine, simply because I game more than I used to and I wanted to max my games out. However, I have yet to bite the bullet. I just can't give up up the build quality, security, the OS, the battery life, and the sexiness.
But, when the money does roll around I'd like to upgrade to a 15' i7.
God this thread is so full of fail.
If you want to game build a pc. A mbp cost 2500, for 1000 you get a pctwice the peformance. Or buy an imac. Do you really travel that much, so you have to game outside your house?
Also, look at this. This is a samsung gaming laptop. Still it got worse components then the mbp
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/27/samsung-rf712-gaming-laptop-promises-ultra-bright-3d-an-end-to/
I really dont understand why people want gtx card in a mbp. You will get 1 hour of battery and heat problems. And whats the point of 1 hour battery life when you are outside your home. If you are home alot just buy a desktop. God.
If you want to game build a pc. A mbp cost 2500, for 1000 you get a pctwice the peformance. Or buy an imac. Do you really travel that much, so you have to game outside your house?
Also, look at this. This is a samsung gaming laptop. Still it got worse components then the mbp
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/27/samsung-rf712-gaming-laptop-promises-ultra-bright-3d-an-end-to/
I really dont understand why people want gtx card in a mbp. You will get 1 hour of battery and heat problems. And whats the point of 1 hour battery life when you are outside your home. If you are home alot just buy a desktop. God.
Some people would just like to use the Macbook Pro as a more portable desktop computer - they don't care about the battery life, they just want something that's not as massive as an iMac that can be moved around with them. It'd be nice if there was an option for people like that. So yes, better graphics should come with it.