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'Death Hug': Verizon iPhone Demonstrates Antenna Attenuation Issues
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The first test was not squeezed like that and they lost a lot of signal and data slowed down.
The second test was to test WIFI signal loss and of course they're gonna test it by seeing if it can be done.
You guys don't understand what TEST means.
If I hold my iPhone "normally" I lose signal. I have to hold it "abnormally" for it to work right. By "abnormal" I mean I have to consciously remember not to touch that little black line on the side. So instead of using my iPhone comfortably, I have to make an effort to avoid certain areas when holding it. That's messed up.
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"When you are actually on a call, the phone doesn't have to guess the effective signal quality - it's in two-way communication, and is constantly exchanging bit error rate (BER) information with the tower. In other words, it knows how reliably it is receiving data from the tower, and it knows how reliably the tower is receiving data from it."
http://ask.metafilter.com/60227/What-do-cell-phone-reception-bars-mean#1199500
Makes a really good point. Not too many tested the iPhone 4 during a call. Of course, with VZ, it isn't possible to use data and voice simultaneously. Still some interesting tidbits.
Precisely! There's a lot of good info here but I'd like to highlight...
"When you are actually on a call, the phone doesn't have to guess the effective signal quality - it's in two-way communication, and is constantly exchanging bit error rate (BER) information with the tower. In other words, it knows how reliably it is receiving data from the tower, and it knows how reliably the tower is receiving data from it."
http://ask.metafilter.com/60227/What-do-cell-phone-reception-bars-mean#1199500
Makes a really good point. Not too many tested the iPhone 4 during a call. Of course, with VZ, it isn't possible to use data and voice simultaneously. Still some interesting tidbits.
Give it a rest. I have the iPhone 4 too and always hold it in the death grip when calling and I have NEVER had a dropped call because of the signal degradation that does happen. None of my friends and colleagues that have it experience any problems.
This might be a shock to you but signals fluctuate ALWAYS especially when you are moving. If you would stop staring at those bars, hold your phone in a normal way and would just use it for what it's there for, then you would see that there is no problem!
Or it's just how you're looking at it. I think it's more people like this like to find such "flaws" in Apple products because it isn't particularly expected.
But come on, a "death hug" is a legitimate complaint? Hardly.
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On a serious note; if Apple has it down to just not touching those small antenna gaps, than that's pretty dang good. Please see:
Page 12 - http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_6300_UG_en.pdf
Page 34 - http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_X6-00_UG_en.pdf
Page 222 - http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201009/20100916050218046/SPH-D700_UG_DG27_PS_081710_F7_with_patent_fix.pdf
Page 13 - http://member.america.htc.com/download/Web_materials/Manual/DROID_ERIS_Verizon/DROID_ERIS_Verizon_English_UM_11_5.pdf
Page 10 - http://member.america.htc.com/download/web_materials/Manual/HTC_Touch_Viva/Opal_HTC_English_UM_1013.pdf
Must I continue, or are you picking up on the similarities?
:: taps on Mobster Sauce's head :: Hmmm... Not quite ripe yet. ... I kid, I kid.
On a serious note; if Apple has it down to just not touching those small antenna gaps, than that's pretty dang good. Please see:Page 12 - http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_6300_UG_en.pdf
Page 34 - http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_X6-00_UG_en.pdf
Page 222 - http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201009/20100916050218046/SPH-D700_UG_DG27_PS_081710_F7_with_patent_fix.pdf
Page 13 - http://member.america.htc.com/download/Web_materials/Manual/DROID_ERIS_Verizon/DROID_ERIS_Verizon_English_UM_11_5.pdf
Page 10 - http://member.america.htc.com/download/web_materials/Manual/HTC_Touch_Viva/Opal_HTC_English_UM_1013.pdf
Must I continue, or are you picking up on the similarities?
Seriously right?!? What's next for these idiots... "Well we stuck my iPhone 4 in a lead box and closed it and it lost all connectivity..." These guys seriously need to let it go already.
Oh dear God, not again.. I swear, who the hell holds their phone like that anyways??? Sorry if you do, I don't mean to be mean, but I PERSONALLY have to INTENTIONALLY hold the phone and grip INCREDIBLY hard to lose any signal at all..
I swear, I bet if we all say that the iPhone (or rather, any "new popular product" for that matter") makes bacon if you hold it upside down with the death grip/hug for longer than 10 minutes while doing jumping jacks and staring at a picture of Megan Fox, I can guarantee you people will try it, and then complain that it doesn't work..
I swear, I bet if we all say that the iPhone (or rather, any "new popular product" for that matter") makes bacon if you hold it upside down with the death grip/hug for longer than 10 minutes while doing jumping jacks and staring at a picture of Megan Fox, I can guarantee you people will try it, and then complain that it doesn't work..
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You're a bit late, but maybe you can join in: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/01/27/iphone-4-glassgate-spawns-a-class-action-lawsuit
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:: taps on Mobster Sauce's head :: Hmmm... Not quite ripe yet. ... I kid, I kid.
Page 12 - http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_6300_UG_en.pdf
Page 34 - http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_X6-00_UG_en.pdf
Page 222 - http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/201009/20100916050218046/SPH-D700_UG_DG27_PS_081710_F7_with_patent_fix.pdf
Page 13 - http://member.america.htc.com/download/Web_materials/Manual/DROID_ERIS_Verizon/DROID_ERIS_Verizon_English_UM_11_5.pdf
Page 10 - http://member.america.htc.com/download/web_materials/Manual/HTC_Touch_Viva/Opal_HTC_English_UM_1013.pdf
Must I continue, or are you picking up on the similarities?
The difference you haven't mentioned it that by touching the areas mentioned in these manuals you simply degrade the signal. With the iPhone 4, you can lose the signal completely by touching the spot on the left hand side. There's a very big difference between simply losing some bars and loosing all bars and having no connectivity at all. This is how it's a flaw in the iPhone 4 design as no one spot on a phone should be able to make you lose all connectivity completely. It should require a complete covering of an antenna to be able to get anywhere near to loosing all signal, yet the iPhone 4 will lose all single with just a fingertip on that spot. That's a major design and functionality failing.
Ohhh no this again... iPhone didn't have any issue as any phone on the planet lower signal is you cover antenna with hands (or other human body parts lol). I've tried like 30 phones and smartphones and all do the same, there is only one who drop much more signal and especially in normal usage: Samsung galaxy S... but all keep talking about iPhone 4 antenna, incredible.
It is completely normal with any phones especially smartphones !!!
It is completely normal with any phones especially smartphones !!!
tried with a lot on iPhones 4 in my shop with many operatros, without bumbers, tried with my, my girlfriend and friends one, iPhone 4 sometimes even didn't lose a single bar, covering with 2 fingers. My old Nokia n73 drops from 5 to 0 bars if you old in innatural way it where antenna is placed. Same room, same operator, iPhone drop 1 bar only (from 2 to one). I've bought iPhone4 on day one, so it is not different from others.
Completely the opposite here. It's my iPhone 4 that'll drop to 'searching' then 'no service' while other phones continue to hold onto the available signal. Combined with how many other people report the same issue on the iPhone 4, and how the issue wasn't present until I got the iPhone 4, I think it's fairly safe to say that it's the iPhone 4 that has the problem!
Can anyone actually name any other phone that can lose so much signal just from a fingertip on a single spot on the device?
This was a non-story on AT&T, and it's still a non-story on Verizon.
I wonder why this received so much attention. I can diminish the signal on my iPhone 3G and my wife's Droid Eris by holding both of them the same way. I wonder what prompted the widespread coverage of the iPhone 4 doing the same?
I wonder why this received so much attention. I can diminish the signal on my iPhone 3G and my wife's Droid Eris by holding both of them the same way. I wonder what prompted the widespread coverage of the iPhone 4 doing the same?
Is there a single spot on the 3G or Droid Eris that when touched with a single fingertip can lose as much signal as you can do on the iPhone 4? If not, that's why you don't hear about theses problems with the 3G or Droid Eris, because they don't exhibit the problem in hand.
I don't know but what does it matter? The point is that all phones lose some signal strength to one degree or another.
And this so-called problem didn't affect all iPhone 4 owners the same and appears to be worse in areas with weaker signal coverage (something AT&T is known for to begin with.) I know people who own iPhone 4s who have never noticed the problem, and I work with someone who cannot reproduce the problem on his.
I'd say the issue comes from a combination of things and the efforts to push it as a problem unique to the iPhone was misguided at best.