Debating off and on about iPhone X.. Finally made up my mind. Thank you Apple for making it easy!

[iSayBoourns]

I've been debating off and on about getting the iPhone X. Finally made up my mind. Thank you Apple for making it easy!

I won't be "giving in" to the inferior tech and increased inconvenience with the lack of Touch-ID. Or be a part of case study of how people use Face-ID or be one of those who make it seem it's perfectly normal to use Big Brother Facial Rec for casual everyday use on your phone.

$999 Price does sting.. but that was not a dealbreaker. They failed to convince about the Safety of the tech.

- Having the IR and Dot Projector radiation pulsed at your eyes.. ~80 times a day on average. Where's long term safety studies on this? What spectrum/wavelengths are those waves? Where's the white-paper on those the TrueDepth sensors and long term safety studies?
- Having to constantly stare / actively gaze at your phone, then swipe up to unlock it. ~80 TIMES A DAY!
- Having to resort to using 6 digit Passcode after paying a hefty price.. No way for $999

Inferior tech? Not sure how anyone could even claim that. The tech behind FaceID alone is so far beyond what’s in any other smartphone on the market. Inferior? Hardly.

Inconvenient? I highly doubt that either. People are acting like one would have to stare directly at the phone for seconds before any action is done (I particularly laugh at all those who think they will have to hover their face over the terminal to make Apple Pay work.) Once released, it will only prove to be just as fast or possibly even faster and more convenient than TouchID.

 

[chibamac]

This sums it up for me

iPhone 8 - pick up with thumb on the sensor to unlock
iPhone X - pick up and swipe thumb upwards to unlock
8 wins here as it's quicker and more efficient

iPhone 8 - swipe upwards from bottom for control centre
iPhone x - swipe down from one of the top corners
8 wins here as it's quicker, more efficient, and can be done with one hand

iPhone 8(+) - larger screen, rectangular format
iPhone x - smaller oled screen with more pixels, sort of rectangular format with weird notch cut out leaving 2 small ears.
No clear winner as it's a matter of personal preference. Why the notch though? Why the ears?
Perhaps the iPhone X is no one other than Prince Humperdink from Princess Bride.. Hah!

"Your ears you keep and I’ll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, “Dear God! What is that thing,” will echo in your perfect ears. That is what to the pain means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever."

 

[PBz]

I’ve said before.. and still feel it 100%. I was ready to dish out serious cash for the 10th Anniversary iPhone. Saw mock-up MKBHD had w/ notch & even stated in comments it was bait/fake ..way too fugly. Nope. It was real. Went 8+ & loving it. If the notch goes & XI gets wider I’ll consider.

 

[jamesrick80]

Must not of been to “easy” of a choice took you 3 weeks...

Waiting less than a month seems easy to me.

 

[akash.nu]

I don’t understand why the hate of face ID, sure you could unlock without looking with Touch ID but then what? You now have to look at your phone to use it anyways. If you want hands free 100% then use Hey Siri.

The most awkward situation for me with Face ID would be using Apple Pay. And also I don’t want to deal with first generation hiccups.

 

[jsmith189]

If they'd made it that easy, the "debate" wouldn't need a "finally" lol.

 

[Absrnd]

Forums are for sharing opinions.. everyone can chime in.

Only if those opinions makes sense to discuss about, uninformed scaremongering is not.
if you would have taken the 5 mins to search for actual facts, you post would be a little bit discussable.

See it this way, you will have lots of cash left to buy many rolls of tinfoil
but be aware about tinfoil poisoning.

 

[44267547]

I’ve said before.. and still feel it 100%. I was ready to dish out serious cash for the 10th Anniversary iPhone. Saw mock-up MKBHD had w/ notch & even stated in comments it was bait/fake ..way too fugly. Nope. It was real. Went 8+ & loving it. If the notch goes & XI gets wider I’ll consider.

I think the wait has a lot of consumers thinking about if they truly want this iPhone X or not. And I see some who are staying with their decision in pre-ordering come October 27 and then there are those who have decided to wait until next year to upgrade. And that's a long time to think about if somebody truly wants this iPhone X from when the keynote started on September 12 and all the way to October 27.

 

[iSayBoourns]

The most awkward situation for me with Face ID would be using Apple Pay. And also I don’t want to deal with first generation hiccups.

Why do so many people think FaceID will make using Apple Pay so awkward?

You know once your face has been authenticated you will be free to then tap your phone without your face in front of the phone. The exact same way once TouchID authenticates your finger you no longer need to keep your finger on fingerprint reader and are free to just tap your phone.

Example: At a coffee shop at the till placing your order you can authenticate as early as when you beginning to place your order. Or even authenticate just as you end placing your order. Then tap whenever the terminal is ready to accept payment without a finger on it or even near the TouchID. FaceID will be no different.

Authentication remains active for a good 30 seconds to a minute with Apple Pay. You have loads of time.

FaceID will be just as simple. None of this “having to lean over and hover your face above the terminal to authenticate while the tap process is happening” that I keep hearing so many people “think” how it’s going to work.

 

[Lerxt]

Samsung is STILL paying people to say this stuff? Its getting old.

 

[Absrnd]

Samsung is STILL paying people to say this stuff? Its getting old.

That what I was thinking, these really "silly"topics keep popping up,
and keep wondering, is this really serious question or statement

 

[ACST]

- Having the IR and Dot Projector radiation pulsed at your eyes.. ~80 times a day on average. Where's long term safety studies on this? What spectrum/wavelengths are those waves? Where's the white-paper on those the TrueDepth sensors and long term safety studies?

There aren't long term safety studies because only someone who knows nothing about waves would question the safety of them. Just because you don't understand anything about waves doesn't mean people should be doing useless researches that would only affirm basic scientific rules that everyone should have learned in High School...

Should we also do a study if the earth isn't really flat?

 

[akash.nu]

Why do so many people think FaceID will make using Apple Pay so awkward?

You know once your face has been authenticated you will be free to then tap your phone without your face in front of the phone. The exact same way once TouchID authenticates your finger you no longer need to keep your finger on fingerprint reader and are free to just tap your phone.

Example: At a coffee shop at the till placing your order you can authenticate as early as when you beginning to place your order. Or even authenticate just as you end placing your order. Then tap whenever the terminal is ready to accept payment without a finger on it or even near the TouchID. FaceID will be no different.

Authentication remains active for a good 30 seconds to a minute with Apple Pay. You have loads of time.

FaceID will be just as simple. None of this “having to lean over and hover your face above the terminal to authenticate while the tap process is happening” that I keep hearing so many people “think” how it’s going to work.

I understand what you mean. But when Craig was showing it he had to bring it up to his face to make it work properly. I use Apple Pay a lot everyday on public transport here in London and generally they’re crowded with people lining behind you and pushing and at that very moment right in front of the ticket barrier if you had to do that every time, it just feels awkward to me.

I know it should just work but I wanted to stay with tried and tested rather than experimenting with something I’m not too sure about. I just want to see it in action before spending the money. If things seem to go without a hiccup then I’ll get the next generation next year.

 

[iSayBoourns]

I understand what you mean. But when Craig was showing it he had to bring it up to his face to make it work properly. I use Apple Pay a lot everyday on public transport here in London and generally they’re crowded with people lining behind you and pushing and at that very moment right in front of the ticket barrier if you had to do that every time, it just feels awkward to me.

I know it should just work but I wanted to stay with tried and tested rather than experimenting with something I’m not too sure about. I just want to see it in action before spending the money. If things seem to go without a hiccup then I’ll get the next generation next year.

I would imagine that one could simply look down at their phone as it’s being pulled out from the pocket and unlock it in one fluid motion from out of pocket to arm extended to tap. It just needs to see enough features of your face to work. I don’t think the phone needs to be brought right up to face level and be perfectly lined up. One of the marketing photos showed a girl in a swimming pool and it scanning her face while the phone was flat on the ledge of the pool (the scanning showed by fake rays coming out the phone to simulate the 30,000 dots/IR beaming.)

Having said that though, you do have every right to take the wait and see approach. I’m personally confident that it will work as advertised, mostly because I know Apple would not completely ditch TouchID if the next step forward was not at the very least just as good (it would seriously ruin the iPhone reputation more than battery issues in the Note 7 did for Samsung.)

 

[akash.nu]

I would imagine that one could simply look down at their phone as it’s being pulled out from the pocket and unlock it in one fluid motion from out of pocket to arm extended to tap. It just needs to see enough features of your face to work. I don’t think the phone needs to be brought right up to face level and be perfectly lined up. One of the marketing photos showed a girl in a swimming pool and it scanning her face while the phone was flat on the ledge of the pool (the scanning showed by fake rays coming out the phone to simulate the 30,000 dots/IR beaming.)

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Yes I’ve seen this marketing image but likely Apple showed that iPhone 7 can be used in rain and when someone wanted to get a replacement, they refused for water damage. The long thread is present in this forum.

Marketing materials don’t convince me in that sense. I carefully noticed how Craig unlocked it. It might not need to be aligned perfectly but there’s always that thought in my mind, at what angle it will fail?! Touch ID didn’t have any issues like that. Without having any reviews to go by and being sceptical about the actual usability of it. I refrained from getting excited about it.

Also at my age I just can’t be bothered to wake up in the middle of the night to try and get my order in and if I miss the pre order then it’s months more until I get it in my hand. To be honest, the whole - have to have the greatest iPhone - mindset is behind me now I think.

Having said that though, you do have every right to take the wait and see approach. I’m personally confident that it will work as advertised, mostly because I know Apple would not completely ditch TouchID if the next step forward was not at the very least just as good (it would seriously ruin the iPhone reputation more than battery issues in the Note 7 did for Samsung.)

I think the same. I’m hoping it’s as good if not better but still with any first generation product there’s always that risk of hiccup & given how much I rely on my phone to run my personal life and business, I just couldn’t be one of those first adopters.

For me the phone camera is one of the most important features because I’m on this personal challenge of proving that one can take good shots with a phone and good shots doesn’t mean DSLRs. Given the camera on the iPhone 8 plus and the X are almost identical other than the OIS on the telephoto lens, I save some money and still get the best available out there.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Yes I’ve seen this marketing image but likely Apple showed that iPhone 7 can be used in rain and when someone wanted to get a replacement, they refused for water damage. The long thread is present in this forum.

Marketing materials don’t convince me in that sense. I carefully noticed how Craig unlocked it. It might not need to be aligned perfectly but there’s always that thought in my mind, at what angle it will fail?! Touch ID didn’t have any issues like that. Without having any reviews to go by and being sceptical about the actual usability of it. I refrained from getting excited about it.

Also at my age I just can’t be bothered to wake up in the middle of the night to try and get my order in and if I miss the pre order then it’s months more until I get it in my hand. To be honest, the whole - have to have the greatest iPhone - mindset is behind me now I think.



I think the same. I’m hoping it’s as good if not better but still with any first generation product there’s always that risk of hiccup & given how much I rely on my phone to run my personal life and business, I just couldn’t be one of those first adopters.

For me the phone camera is one of the most important features because I’m on this personal challenge of proving that one can take good shots with a phone and good shots doesn’t mean DSLRs. Given the camera on the iPhone 8 plus and the X are almost identical other than the OIS on the telephoto lens, I save some money and still get the best available out there.

Well, the marketing for the 7 being able to withstand rain isn’t a lie. It can, and numerous YouTube videos even show an iPhone 7 lasting hours fully submerged in water. In some cases surviving longer than a Samsung which is supposed to be rated even higher against water.

When millions of these things are being mass produced there will always be a very minuscule percent that gets through that won’t meet spec.

So I would highly take the cases of water damage with a grain of salt. Besides, no where does it claim waterproof, it’s just water resistant.

Water damage isn’t covered because people would then literally so swim with them and go snorkeling in the ocean, testing the limits on purpose and wonder why it got damaged and demand free replacements. Apple wouldn’t know if you legit just got stuck in rain or spent hours upon hours submerging your phone to see what would happen (I could see so many people who are insanely anal about scratches that they would just to get a brand new scratch free device purposely drench the phone for a free replacement, since one would not be made over just a scratched screen.)

You’re not supposed to get your phone wet but the ip67 means it’s likely to at least survive if you do on accident or get caught in a storm.

TouchID in its current, very mature state still doesn’t work for a decent amount of people. Things like psoriasis as an example can render TouchID useless. Or harsh enough manual labour can destroy ones fingerprints as well, making it hard for TouchID.

Will FaceID fail for some people sometimes? Probably. But so does TouchID already. So that’s pretty much a wash. At least FaceID is adaptive and always learning. It will be able to tell you’re growing out a beard and still know it’s you as your face alters. As soon as your fingerprint gets altered (like in the two examples above) it ceases to work. Which in theory FaceID will work for more people, more often in the overall grand scheme of things. I suppose the proof will be in the pudding.

Long post, sorry. Not trying to convince you or blast you on your opinion. Just trying to provide some points on the “other side” that you or anyone else who may come across this post may not have thought of.

 

[Nozuka]

I carefully noticed how Craig unlocked it.

that looked very awkward indeed. but more like someone who's using it for the first time lol
but he was probably just nervous, the fail didn't help

in some hands-on videos it looked very fluid. it often unlocked before they were able to show it.

but the same things will be discussed over and over again for another month... since noone can test it

 

[dotnet]

Make sure you don’t go out in daylight if you’re worried about invisible light waves. Or sit under any light at all of any kind. Or live on earth.

Or simply take up spelunking as a way of life. If you go deep enough the only radiation hitting your face will be the IR from your hand. And neutrinos...

 

[PBz]

Samsung is STILL paying people to say this stuff? Its getting old.

I am not paid by Samsung. I have been an iPhone fan .. and used one since it was launched.. and I was on the Device team at ATT.. I have tried and tested Android and always went back to iPhone.

The x is atrocious and that is my personal opinion.

 

[9594864]

Make sure you don’t go out in daylight if you’re worried about invisible light waves. Or sit under any light at all of any kind. Or live on earth.

Yeah a lack of education is both hilarious for those who are educated and extremely scary for those who aren’t (that dude).

 

[Jrd123]

I've been debating off and on about getting the iPhone X. Finally made up my mind. Thank you Apple for making it easy!

I won't be "giving in" to the inferior tech and increased inconvenience with the lack of Touch-ID. Or be a part of case study of how people use Face-ID or be one of those who make it seem it's perfectly normal to use Big Brother Facial Rec for casual everyday use on your phone.

$999 Price does sting.. but that was not a dealbreaker. They failed to convince about the Safety of the tech.

- Having the IR and Dot Projector radiation pulsed at your eyes.. ~80 times a day on average. Where's long term safety studies on this? What spectrum/wavelengths are those waves? Where's the white-paper on those the TrueDepth sensors and long term safety studies?
- Having to constantly stare / actively gaze at your phone, then swipe up to unlock it. ~80 TIMES A DAY!
- Having to resort to using 6 digit Passcode after paying a hefty price.. No way for $999

You’re an idiot. Colored light is also a form of radiation, IR radiation is NOT UV radiation and is completely harmless. You can look online and see IR light is non-ionizing and thus won’t alter the chemical structure of your cells. Go enjoy your tinfoil hat and hop on out of line so I can get my X.

 

[akash.nu]

Well, the marketing for the 7 being able to withstand rain isn’t a lie. It can, and numerous YouTube videos even show an iPhone 7 lasting hours fully submerged in water. In some cases surviving longer than a Samsung which is supposed to be rated even higher against water.

When millions of these things are being mass produced there will always be a very minuscule percent that gets through that won’t meet spec.

Yes, and when such issues are encountered, Apple should standby their product rather than passing the burden on to the customer to prove that the device was not faulty. Going by the marketing if a customer uses their phone in rain and the phone had a defect then it will get damaged and then the customer will not be able to prove that it wasn’t faulty. That’s unfair.

So I would highly take the cases of water damage with a grain of salt. Besides, no where does it claim waterproof, it’s just water resistant.

Water damage isn’t covered because people would then literally so swim with them and go snorkeling in the ocean, testing the limits on purpose and wonder why it got damaged and demand free replacements. Apple wouldn’t know if you legit just got stuck in rain or spent hours upon hours submerging your phone to see what would happen (I could see so many people who are insanely anal about scratches that they would just to get a brand new scratch free device purposely drench the phone for a free replacement, since one would not be made over just a scratched screen.)

You’re not supposed to get your phone wet but the ip67 means it’s likely to at least survive if you do on accident or get caught in a storm.

The whole point of IP67 rating is to be able to use the phone close to water and minor submersion and splash or rain shouldn’t have an impact, but if it does, how would that be dealt with? Apple’s marketing encourages such behaviour. I understand that Apple wouldn’t know if someone has put the phone under extreme condition, but if they’re marketing it as water resistant then they should have the technology to be able to determine that and if they can’t then by default the benefit of the doubt should go to the customer.

TouchID in its current, very mature state still doesn’t work for a decent amount of people. Things like psoriasis as an example can render TouchID useless. Or harsh enough manual labour can destroy ones fingerprints as well, making it hard for TouchID.

Not just this, just wet fingers render Touch ID inoperable most of the times. That doesn’t negate the fact the usability of Touch ID has been around and well established in most of the situations. With any technology there will always be limitations for some people. I feel Touch ID is more convenient in this case.

Will FaceID fail for some people sometimes? Probably. But so does TouchID already. So that’s pretty much a wash. At least FaceID is adaptive and always learning. It will be able to tell you’re growing out a beard and still know it’s you as your face alters. As soon as your fingerprint gets altered (like in the two examples above) it ceases to work. Which in theory FaceID will work for more people, more often in the overall grand scheme of things. I suppose the proof will be in the pudding.

I see what you mean there but your examples also happens gradually. Hard manual labour doesn’t remove the finger prints just in a day, so that bit is kind of same.

In contrast I can say that like to like twins will be able to unlock your phone with Face ID?! Of course this device is not available yet but scenarios like this may have been tested by Apple but who knows to what extent? And if there’s a glitch then we don’t know how the phone is going to deal with it. I don’t have an evil twin but I didn’t miss Craig joking about it. I’m guessing there’s a chance of getting your phone unlocked that way.

It’s a rare case but I’d say less secure compared to Touch ID in that scenario.

Long post, sorry. Not trying to convince you or blast you on your opinion. Just trying to provide some points on the “other side” that you or anyone else who may come across this post may not have thought of.

I know you’re not. Happy to discuss your point of view against mine. No worries.

 

[applewatch]

Having the IR and Dot Projector radiation pulsed at your eyes.. ~80 times a day on average. Where's long term safety studies on this? What spectrum/wavelengths are those waves? Where's the white-paper on those the TrueDepth sensors and long term safety studies?

You're bombarded with radiation that have shorter wavelengths than Infared Radiation, meaning they're more harmful than IR.

 

[IGotOne]

If I live in a mylar tent is the iPhone X right for me?

Is it going to microwave my brains while I sleep???

Because if so, thank you Apple for making this decision EASY!!!

I'll take 12...

 

[Starfyre]

If I live in a mylar tent is the iPhone X right for me?

Is it going to microwave my brains while I sleep???

Because if so, thank you Apple for making this decision EASY!!!

I'll take 12...

Have you been exposed to visible light on a daily basis? Have they been microwaving your brains? Come on Apple fanboys and fangirls, we need to be educated if were are to be elitist above the rest.