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Dell DJ, Samsung YP-910GS, and iPod

Napster can only use its own player, same as Apple?

Is it true that Napster-bought songs and the Napster client app will ONLY work with that Samsung-Napster player and no others?

Or it that true of one (purchased WMAs vs. client app) but not the other?

That's what I read before the service opened, but Napster's site is short on details!
 
at least the dell has a somewhat ok name, unlike the samsung, i mean who the hell is gonna say "i just bought the YP-910GS!"

yep, the competition can only be a good thing, i doubt these things will last too long, the dell dj perhaps, but only because there are still peeps out there that have never heard of the ipod....i was moving an indigo imac the other day and a guy was like cooool, you can attach that to any computer??? um, yeah, ok.

apple needs to advertise way way more.
 
What frustrates me a little more about this bit of imitating is that in the past it's been smaller, useless companies that copy Apple designs - be it 3rd party enclosures that mimic the Cube, or eMachines ripping of the Bondi iMac. It really was inconsequential.

Now we have the largest computer manufacturer in the world (I'm guessing on this one - even if it's #2 or 3, you get my point) ripping off one of the only truly profitable products in the Apple hardware lineup.

I understand that we should be used to this "sincerest form of flattery", but imnsho not at the possibility of millions in lost revenues.

And yes, to whomever mentioned it earlier: The Napster product has zero class.

In the end, I believe that that one might be a product for a different demographic... the Dell one on the other hand... direct competition...
 
Originally posted by evoluzione
YP-910GS
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Aren't they still referred to as the YEPP? (hence the YP in the model name) LOL

I can't think of any model name funnier at the moment, other than maybe Gremlin...
 
i could care less if my next ipod had an FM reciever built in. i bought the ipod so i wouldnt have to listen to s#$ty songs on the radio in the first place.

these new mp3 players are only going to help the ipod. light a little fire under ol' steve-o. i expect price drops before x-mas.
 
Re: Re: So what?

Originally posted by withnail
I totally agree. I have yet to see a tolerable navigation system in one of these "iPod killers". Everything I've seen is just so slow and klunky. Does anyone know if the scroll wheel/touchpad is patented by Apple? I'm surprised that more players don't rip this off as well. And I know there are people out there who don't like them, but I think the backlighting and non-moving buttons on the 3rd Gens are awesome.
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The scroll wheel is indeed patented.
 
Originally posted by tychay
Not true. Apple contracted out for the reference hardware (PortalPlayer) and the supply chain. But the design (wheel, packaging, integration, UI) is all Apple.
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The link points to the reference design for the internals of the iPod but the "control wheel", menu software/UI, and iTunes software are all other people's original IP, either licensed and used from another company (menu software and control wheel) or bought out-right by Apple (iTunes software)
 
Originally posted by legion
The link points to the reference design for the internals of the iPod but the "control wheel", menu software/UI, and iTunes software are all other people's original IP, either licensed and used from another company (menu software and control wheel) or bought out-right by Apple (iTunes software)
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I claimed that the packaging, control wheel, UI, and iTunes integration is all Apple.

I'll grant out that the UI may not be all Apple (because I won't bother myself to look up which parts of the interface are patented and the rest is locked up under secret agreements anyway), certainly the OS isn't and neither is the codec, hard drive, chipset, etc as quoted in the article and referenced by me.

I see you've granted out the packaging by simply dropping it in your counter argument. That's good because the last third of the article referemced mentions that this is definitely what Apple brought to the design chain table from the beginning before they started to shop around for partners.

As for the control wheel. Then I guess you better help the USPTO with prior art so Apple doesn't get away with murder and Dell, et. all get free and unfetterred access to what nearly every reviewer agrees is a superior interface.

As for the iTunes integration. Huh? I own a copy of SoundJam and it does not integrate with the iPod and has never had a sync functionality that you are referring to. Maybe it's because there was no iPod back in 1998 (or 99 when Apple purchased SoundJam and the put the entire staff on payroll to design iTunes). What it had was the copy file ability like what I get with MusicMatch. I hardly call this "bought out-right by Apple."

And before I have to taste more whine from you, why don't you again put your money with your mouth is and help prevent another Apple patent from being granted for such integration.

Then again from the sound of it, you just wish to cloud the facts with falsehoods and just hoping hoping your lies will make what is false the defacto truth.
 
Re: Napster can only use its own player, same as Apple?

Originally posted by nagromme
Is it true that Napster-bought songs and the Napster client app will ONLY work with that Samsung-Napster player and no others?
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No, I downloaded my five free tracks from Napster and they play on my PocketPC (running 2003 w/WM9) without problems. What other devices you can use beyond the Samsung player I don't know, but the latest PocketPCs seem to be among them.

My initial impressions are that the music store itself rivals iTMS... the layout is logical, easy to navigate and IMHO aesthetically pleasing. I am also impressed with the selection - for my admittedly non-mainstream tastes, I found the selection to be slightly better than iTMS. Unfortunately, the quality of the downloads is noticeably inferior - for the songs I downloaded, 128-bit WMA played on WM9 doesn't sound nearly as good as 128-bit AAC played with iTunesFW.

I will post some screenshots...
 
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Most likely conversation that these new players will create:
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Situation 1:

Person 1: I just got a Dell DJ!!!

Person 2: Um....why?
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Situation 2:

Person 1: I just got a Samsung YP-910GS!!!!111

Person 2: You're a moron.
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Situation 3:

Person 1: Dude! I just picked up my Dell DJ!

Person 2: Sweet man! I just scored a Samsung...something or other!

Person 3: I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Is it just me, or did they rip off the iTMS interface?
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Yeah they ripped off iTunes. But of course that means that Roxio Toast on the Mac which Roxio makes a ton of money off of, more profit than they'll ever make off of Napster, is now literally toast. Apple will probably build in features in a future update to iTunes that will completely eliminate the need for Roxio's other products on both the Mac and Windows. Effectively killing Roxio.

I see Apple charging an additional $19 to Windows users who want to get the advanced burning features in Roxio's real bread and butter applications tha Roxio charges a premium for. Of course they could always give it away for free and bankrupt Roxio altogether. When Roxio decides to steal from Apple, then Apple has no choice but to respond as a competitor instead of as a partner. It goes both ways.
 
Originally posted by noel4r
Mossberg described the Dell DJ as "handsome". I dont know about you guys, I think it's incredibly ugly and I say that without prejudice. It's gruesome
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I'm sorry, but Im going to have to disagree. I've got a 1st Gen iPod and love it, but I also think that the Dell DJ looks nice. If I were cost conscience and wanted an mp3 player that had a long battery life I'd go with the Dell.

Don't get me wrong, I'd get another iPod but if I wouldn't rule out a DJ like I would other players.
 
Originally posted by Juventuz
I'm sorry, but Im going to have to disagree. I've got a 1st Gen iPod and love it, but I also think that the Dell DJ looks nice. If I were cost conscience and wanted an mp3 player that had a long battery life I'd go with the Dell.

Don't get me wrong, I'd get another iPod but if I wouldn't rule out a DJ like I would other players.
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And when was the original iPod released? That's fine, you can like it, it was/is a good MP3 player, but to compare the Dell player to a 1st Gen iPod, based on the *evolution* of digital devices certainly doesn't say much for the Dell.

"Hey, this 2003 model car reminds me of the Edsel! I think it'll sell!"

Mmmmmmm....no.
 
History repeating?

Those who fail to learn from history are probably destined to repeat

The parrallels beteen 2003 and 1993 are quite striking . Then as now Apple has a product that easily beats out its competitors Windows 1.0 . Apple users scoffed at everything else. Listening to you Mac users oh so superior attitude and I warran tyou it has a case. Apple makes huges margins on this fact. The PC started outselling the Macintosh but Apple failed to drop its inflated price thinking that there is no way Windows can compete with the MAc OS. Then Windows 3.1 comes out and the rest is history

Come on Apple how much does it actually cost to manufacture an ipod? Certainly nothing near waht you sell them at.

Apple is making the same misteake it made back in the early 90's. Its really is sad to watch this happen. Again users are going to be short changed buying overpriced stuff from Apple.

Hey Apple Imagine if you thought about market share and totally killing the oppostion now by pricing those Ipod's at 1/2 of what they are right now, you'd probaby get 90% market share for the next 10 years but no. Too greedy. And what a market that would be. Isn't it better to have 90% of a 1000 times bigger total market long term than 70% of a small market now?

They are complacently sitting back at 55 to 70% market share patting themseleves on the back letting the copiers in who will eventually take over and kill the ipod once they get their players up to a reasonable standard at 1/2 the price.

What is it with this smug complacency in the Mac community?

You have been warned, I hope it doesn't happen but tell me I'm wrong? btw I have an Ipod and love it and an imac which I love, yeah and in 2 years I'll have to replace the damded ipod battery
$300 for 2 yrs of an ipod. piece of crap! then I have to buy another! or go through thehassle of pulling the thing aprt and to get a new battery in
 
Alameda, you couldn't be more wrong.

First off, Apple is aggressively pushing price on the iPod. Just not at the price of quality. I will almost guarantee you that the dPod is going to have some quality issues.

Second, Apple's decline in market share against Microsoft was due to more things than overconfidence. If you will read any decent book about the history of Apple, you will recognize this.

Third, it wasn't until 1995 that Apple ceased to be the leading vendor of personal computers. 1995 was also almost the start of Apple's absolute decline as a corporation. Apple is on a rising curve now.

Fourth, my buddy Wes has been heavily using his Rev. A iPod ever since release. No battery problems.

Fifth, it doesn't matter how smug we are, it matters how smug Apple is. And Steve's a fighter.
 
Ok i dont own an iPod i dont use iTunes Store what i do care is the fact is iPod has stud the test of time 2 years as number one protable audio / hard drive device . Dell just makes things cheap same as hewlet packard do. What i do know is that yes Apple over charge for the iPod come on even Microsoft over charge for the dam products that they have maybe exscluding the xbox ..

As for fm radio features err want radio buy a walkman want music with out adds use an iPod ..

Napster hmm what the hell is that fruit juice carton seriously it looks like somthing my 2 year old uses to drink out of .. vile looking thing and baring in mind she drinks a bob the bulider drink thing that i dont mind but napster had its chance got caught out and bingo there you go roxo or what ever there called dont have any of there software i dont know why there even in the music biz its not there area right..

God people worried that the dam iPods gona get blown away if apples stood the test of time all these years i dont see the iPod been blown out the water and even it is its still going to be here ..
Apple got it right first time out the box iTunes / iPod / iTunes Store = cash entertianment and well good looks

ok ive talke enough
 
Originally posted by Sabenth
Ok i dont own an iPod i dont use iTunes Store what i do care is the fact is iPod has stud the test of time 2 years as number one protable audio / hard drive device . Dell just makes things cheap same as hewlet packard do. What i do know is that yes Apple over charge for the iPod come on even Microsoft over charge for the dam products that they have maybe exscluding the xbox ..

As for fm radio features err want radio buy a walkman want music with out adds use an iPod ..

Napster hmm what the hell is that fruit juice carton seriously it looks like somthing my 2 year old uses to drink out of .. vile looking thing and baring in mind she drinks a bob the bulider drink thing that i dont mind but napster had its chance got caught out and bingo there you go roxo or what ever there called dont have any of there software i dont know why there even in the music biz its not there area right..

God people worried that the dam iPods gona get blown away if apples stood the test of time all these years i dont see the iPod been blown out the water and even it is its still going to be here ..
Apple got it right first time out the box iTunes / iPod / iTunes Store = cash entertianment and well good looks

ok ive talke enough
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Wow. What?
 
Originally posted by q1232
Hopefully this pushes Apple to include some of the features into the iPod that people want; like line in, fm, ect.
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I don't want FM transmition or receiving on the iPod!

First of all the only times I would use these features, if they were included, would be when some Creative/Samsung/Whatever owner tried to bang me on my head with his player's features.

Second of all, I would not be able to use the iPod when flying. You're not allowed to used electronic devices with transmitters or receivers when flying. (This acutally puzzles me a bit, considering that noone complains about laptops with Airport/WiFi, Bluetooth and whatnot).
 
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