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Dell Nehalem Workstations Imminent (with up to 192GB of RAM)
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Stop it - it a perfect machine for unix and bioinformatics..... not really made for windows anyway! I think its great and if anyone can't figure out the wires then buy good old calculator.
While true, it is still a dell.
I saw the +, and thought in these terms:
n (DIMM's)*DIMM capacity, which would coincide with the largest made located in each slot. 128GB at the time of publishing, greater (+) if larger DIMMs were made at a later time.
MS's other products, the 64bit EnterpriseDatacenter versions of Server 2003 on can go up to 2TB.
True, but these machines aren't really meant for home users are they?
Also, one thing this has that the MacPro (at any level) lacks - workstation graphics cards (and 2x graphics, too).
Wondering why Apple has no true workstation graphics option on its most capable machine.
It depends. Though the MP's have the aura of Pro machines, and may be interpreted as PRO ONLY, it may not be that simple. An individual's needs may blur this idea considerably. The HOME user may in fact be a code developer, student, whatever, that would require such a system. In my case, I built my machine, as the MP's internal configuration, not to mention pricing, wouldn't suit my needs (RAID setup). But that level of power was required for the software I run (circuit simulation/design). But it's mine, not my employer's.
If someone buys one, I must assume they have their reasons. Hopefully, they did their homework, and made the right choice for their needs. That about all any of us can do.
It's only when they post them, and members may not agree, the posts can get a little heated.
Perhaps not enough market to justify offering one?
Given the Nvidia 5600 was offered before on the '08 models, and isn't now, could be seen as support for such a possibility.
Also worth noting that Apple didn't have special Quadro drivers like there are for windows. The Quadro FX 4500 likely shared development with the GeForce 7800GT and the Quadro FX 5600 with the 8800GT. Assuming ATI have developed the new drivers it would make even less sense for Apple to go to the effort of developing the Nvidia drivers for a card that maybe sells a few thousand units a year if that.
I forgot that Apple didn't write specific drivers for the 5600.
It might have increased sales, but probably not enough to have made the difference in terms of a sustainable market. Oh well. One thing, load everything (I mean it all; os, apps, documents) into ram. Instant open! Though it might take some time to load it up, unless you have some FusionIO "drives", but then you would already have "instant open". At least it would be fun
I can say that if I were rich like holy-crap-that-guy-is-so-damn-rich I would get one and max it out and then load everything into RAM alternatively use it as a FTP dump with the dump filesystem mounted in RAM. Would be sweet with super fast 190 GB of storage
One thing, load everything (I mean it all; os, apps, documents) into ram. Instant open! Though it might take some time to load it up, unless you have some FusionIO "drives", but then you would already have "instant open". At least it would be fun
I can say that if I were rich like holy-crap-that-guy-is-so-damn-rich I would get one and max it out and then load everything into RAM alternatively use it as a FTP dump with the dump filesystem mounted in RAM. Would be sweet with super fast 190 GB of storage
You'd still have bottlenecks at the HD, CPU, FSB and RAM speed.
So you want the entire system on a single wafer (elimination of all bottlenecks)?
I'd love to see it, but I'd hate to see the price.
So you want the entire system on a single wafer (elimination of all bottlenecks)?
I'd love to see it, but I'd hate to see the price.
Sure, why not.
But realistically, the above scenario wouldn't even be close to instant anything except beachball/hourglass/circle thingy.
So you want the entire system on a single wafer (elimination of all bottlenecks)?
I'd love to see it, but I'd hate to see the price.
Nah. At about 6ps/mm, you'd have crappy latencies. Better to 3-D chip stack
Nah. At about 6ps/mm, you'd have crappy latencies. Better to 3-D chip stack
I certainly wouldn't mind.
How about skip electrical though, and go with optical? (Now if we can only get it cheap enough...)
I certainly wouldn't mind.
Speed of light still a limiting factor. What you want is a sphere.
Has someone actually solved the materials and processing issues needed to produce such a device?
I've only seen layered construction thus far. Nanotech research is ongoing and I think holds some serious promise, but I hadn't spotted a breakthrough.
LMAO!
Has someone actually solved the materials and processing issues needed to produce such a device?
I've only seen layered construction thus far. Nanotech research is ongoing and I think holds some serious promise, but I hadn't spotted a breakthrough.
If you're sticking to silicon, chip stacking holds some promise. I did some of that in my ph.d. dissertation back in '96, and my advisor (Jack McDonald, RPI) just got a patent on some techniques for handling chip stacks.
Beyond that, not much practical yet.
For me, it was materials side under Dr. Rolf Hummel around the same time ('95-'96). His research tends to center on photoluminescense and he's since drifted into sp-Si quasi-ferromagnetism as well.
It was a lot of fun.
Ended up in the Component Engineering Dept. at Lockheed.It's funny how much emphasis people are putting on the interior of this workstation.. Does anyone look at the screen when using their computer anymore? If the worst part about it is the exposed wires I get the feeling this is casting far too large a shadow over the new Mac Pro for some people..
If it's quiet and fast, I don't care if I can only run windows 7 at that price.
If the worst part about it is the exposed wires I get the feeling this is casting far too large a shadow over the new Mac Pro for some people.. If it's quiet and fast, I don't care if I can only run windows 7 at that price.
It depends. Though the MP's have the aura of Pro machines, and may be interpreted as PRO ONLY, it may not be that simple. An individual's needs may blur this idea considerably. The HOME user may in fact be a code developer, student, whatever, that would require such a system. In my case, I built my machine, as the MP's internal configuration, not to mention pricing, wouldn't suit my needs (RAID setup). But that level of power was required for the software I run (circuit simulation/design). But it's mine, not my employer's.
If someone buys one, I must assume they have their reasons. Hopefully, they did their homework, and made the right choice for their needs. That about all any of us can do.
It's only when they post them, and members may not agree, the posts can get a little heated.
Of course. I do a few Architectural Renderings on the side and if I did more, I could certainly justify plunking down the cash for a high-end workstation. Sure, there are uses in the home that justify a machine like this, but we aren't necessarily "home users" in the marketing sense of the word, which is what I was alluding to. In the end it comes down to this. If you need a machine like this or the Mac Pro, you already know you need it, marketing isn't going to tell you that.
True, but much of the software that would take advantage of that is windows-only. It has always been prohibitively expensive for many on the Mac Pro, but at least it's been an option for those who needed it. And with bootcamp, you could use the windows drivers which would take advantage of it. So even if the Mac doesn't take advantage of it, it would be nice for it to be there anyway. It's a shame that the most powerful Mac doesn't offer this as an option. The Dell even offers dual cards.