couldn't agree more. they have lost great market share due to lack of speed to market and loss of customer satisfaction.
ipad fail? not so much.
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Dell Says iPad will Fail. Shows Desperation
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couldn't agree more. they have lost great market share due to lack of speed to market and loss of customer satisfaction.
ipad fail? not so much.
In reality, the wanna-bee tablets without IPS is selling for a higher price than iPad.
Sure the $499 iPad price will come down due to $800 tablets with crappy screens.
Microsoft agrees
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2038709/microsoft-predicts-demise-tablets
Tablets will be squeezed in the space between smart phones and netbooks
I don't think they have a problem _recognizing_ opportunities; they just can't do it. First, they are in the PC market. If they started building PCs like Apple does, they would win a few percent from Apple customers and lose a lot of percent to HP, Acer and everyone else. Now long term, over ten years, that might have been a good strategy if they had started it ten years ago, today it isn't. Dell wouldn't survive. Their only attempt, the Adamo, failed. In the phone market, they don't have their own OS like Apple has (Dell could have outbid Apple 10 years ago and bought NeXT); they could build an Android phone and compete the same way as in the PC market. And they have their Slate, 5" size, which will get some customers but nobody can tell you how many. Of course they can build a 10" tablet like everyone else.
One problem is that Dell got big by using scale to reduce cost and squeeze suppliers. Now try squeezing the supplier of tablet components if you are not Apple Dell just doesn't have the size advantage here, quite the opposite.
And from the very top. The CEO and lots of executives want to use the same computer at work that they use at home. Which is the one that their kids recommended, not the one that the IT department wanted.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2038709/microsoft-predicts-demise-tablets
Tablets will be squeezed in the space between smart phones and netbooks
I don't think they have a problem _recognizing_ opportunities; they just can't do it. First, they are in the PC market. If they started building PCs like Apple does, they would win a few percent from Apple customers and lose a lot of percent to HP, Acer and everyone else. Now long term, over ten years, that might have been a good strategy if they had started it ten years ago, today it isn't. Dell wouldn't survive. Their only attempt, the Adamo, failed. In the phone market, they don't have their own OS like Apple has (Dell could have outbid Apple 10 years ago and bought NeXT); they could build an Android phone and compete the same way as in the PC market. And they have their Slate, 5" size, which will get some customers but nobody can tell you how many. Of course they can build a 10" tablet like everyone else.
One problem is that Dell got big by using scale to reduce cost and squeeze suppliers. Now try squeezing the supplier of tablet components if you are not Apple
Dell just doesn't have the size advantage here, quite the opposite.And from the very top. The CEO and lots of executives want to use the same computer at work that they use at home. Which is the one that their kids recommended, not the one that the IT department wanted.
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You're missing the inherent flaws in the current iPad iteration. No file system, reliance on the crapware that is iTunes (crashed on my 5 times last night and trashed my library twice for no freaking reason!!!!!), and a native input system that is rudimentary at best for any meaningful input.
Yes you can use it to show off digital media and documents.
Yes you can create an app to simply point & tap entry on preconfigured forms.
But to use it in any meaningful enterprise-scale deployments?
When you need to jailbreak the freaking device just to load custom apps or go through Apple's insane App Store approval to install?
Sorry, but this is one thing where the iPad just shows its inevitable failure. As a consumer device to consume media it's ideal. But for business the more open/customization friendly alternative OS' are more feasible.
In a year iPads will become more like iPods. A brand name toy that is used as shorthand for a type of computing while more people actually use other more customizable and reasonably-priced alternatives. Android is poised to take over marketshare very quickly now. HP will make a go at customizing its WebOS for business as well Blackberry. I don't see Microsoft gaining too much ground here though. They are very late to the party and don't all grasp the idea of cloud computing as will be needed in future.
Yes you can use it to show off digital media and documents.
Yes you can create an app to simply point & tap entry on preconfigured forms.
But to use it in any meaningful enterprise-scale deployments?
When you need to jailbreak the freaking device just to load custom apps or go through Apple's insane App Store approval to install?
Sorry, but this is one thing where the iPad just shows its inevitable failure. As a consumer device to consume media it's ideal. But for business the more open/customization friendly alternative OS' are more feasible.
In a year iPads will become more like iPods. A brand name toy that is used as shorthand for a type of computing while more people actually use other more customizable and reasonably-priced alternatives. Android is poised to take over marketshare very quickly now. HP will make a go at customizing its WebOS for business as well Blackberry. I don't see Microsoft gaining too much ground here though. They are very late to the party and don't all grasp the idea of cloud computing as will be needed in future.
Same here. We are an engineering firm and do a lot of field work (investigations, surveys, design), and we have fully embraced it. It has made a huge difference in our efficiency in the field. We used to use industrial strength Windows Mobile devices. The difference is night and day in reliability, usefulness, and stability with the iPad winning out by a long shot.
yes because he can say that its expensive...
Dell are a shocking company who trick people into needing everything dell. My gran used to work for the Council on disabilities and it covered the north east of England. Their office computers and printers etc were all from Dell... they said they needed Dell printers for Dell computers.. Dell monitors for Dell towers... Dell keyboards and mice.. etc etc
Disgusting company... they earned a fortune from the office.. and ink for the dell printers at the time was like paying for a flaming iPad... so he has a nerve.
When I went in to update all the computers and network and software it was an absolute fraction of the price dell had made.
Dell are a shocking company who trick people into needing everything dell. My gran used to work for the Council on disabilities and it covered the north east of England. Their office computers and printers etc were all from Dell... they said they needed Dell printers for Dell computers.. Dell monitors for Dell towers... Dell keyboards and mice.. etc etc
Disgusting company... they earned a fortune from the office.. and ink for the dell printers at the time was like paying for a flaming iPad... so he has a nerve.
When I went in to update all the computers and network and software it was an absolute fraction of the price dell had made.
Not really all that like iPods at all then, since Apple still have the lion's share of that market.
IF what you're saying comes to pass, it'll take a LOT more than a year, if for no other reason than Apple has built up such a MASSIVE lead in the tablet market.
Also, I might be wrong about this, but if you just want to deploy apps within your enterprise, I'm pretty sure you don't have to go through App Store approval.
Agreed. While this could have made sense if it was made before the first iPad was released, now it is just a stupid thing to say.
I think people are missing the point of this guy saying the iPad will fail.
He's only talking about the Business environment. Was that not really obvious?
He's still a tool though
He's only talking about the Business environment. Was that not really obvious?
He's still a tool though
A mouse for iPad?? Dude wat?
These guys are dinosaurs, still clinging to the past, not wanting to evolve and get with the program. iPad is an outstanding forward thinking device and can as that be a great tool in an forward thinking bussiness environment. I can totaly understand why he cant see it though, he isnt from an forward thinking bussiness environment
These guys are dinosaurs, still clinging to the past, not wanting to evolve and get with the program. iPad is an outstanding forward thinking device and can as that be a great tool in an forward thinking bussiness environment. I can totaly understand why he cant see it though, he isnt from an forward thinking bussiness environment
While i enjoy the ipad and ios devices i agree that they arent that great for the long term business uses.
Apple and android rules the consumer market but the enterprise is where HP, microsoft,, and rim will be the big boys. Even at the law firm i intern at most of the users users have wp7 and BB. Now theres talk of adopting the playbook and using webos products.
But dell is a dumb company that either makes crappy products or screws over the good products they make. Case in point would be the dell venue pro. That was the best wp7 and would have been my current phone if dell would have decided to sell it at best buy or the carrier store.
Apple and android rules the consumer market but the enterprise is where HP, microsoft,, and rim will be the big boys. Even at the law firm i intern at most of the users users have wp7 and BB. Now theres talk of adopting the playbook and using webos products.
But dell is a dumb company that either makes crappy products or screws over the good products they make. Case in point would be the dell venue pro. That was the best wp7 and would have been my current phone if dell would have decided to sell it at best buy or the carrier store.
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And from the very top. The CEO and lots of executives want to use the same computer at work that they use at home. Which is the one that their kids recommended, not the one that the IT department wanted.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree; I work for an American Investment Firm in their UK office, our CEO in US got an iPad and fell in love...as a result we are moving away from Dell for Laptops (now all 13" MacBookAirs) and are introducing iPads for client based presentations. The IT department (who are all Windows fans/geeks) are not pleased but the feedback from clients and the employees using them has been great so they are here to stay.
I remember reading how Best-Buy are looking to equip their stores with iPads for their colleges to use etc it is a ball that is moving and picking up speed; it would be foolish of Dell to underestimate its momentum.
And from the very top. The CEO and lots of executives want to use the same computer at work that they use at home. Which is the one that their kids recommended, not the one that the IT department wanted.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree; I work for an American Investment Firm in their UK office, our CEO in US got an iPad and fell in love...as a result we are moving away from Dell for Laptops (now all 13" MacBookAirs) and are introducing iPads for client based presentations. The IT department (who are all Windows fans/geeks) are not pleased but the feedback from clients and the employees using them has been great so they are here to stay.
I remember reading how Best-Buy are looking to equip their stores with iPads for their colleges to use etc it is a ball that is moving and picking up speed; it would be foolish of Dell to underestimate its momentum.
What the hell does an iPad need a mouse for, let alone an $1100 mouse? Someone needs to sit this guy down with an iPad and show him how they work.
The title of this thread is pretty misleading. And it's not exactly ridiculous to suggest that a windows based tablet would have better success in the enterprise market than the ipad. How many companies use macs on a mass scale?
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If anyone should have an expert opinion on products that flop it would be Dell. Can you say "WebPC?"
If anyone should have an expert opinion on products that flop it would be Dell. Can you say "WebPC?"
Dell is the anti-Apple. Cheap, plasticy hardware, no stand out product line, relies on a software maker 2,000 miles away for its products to work. Yuck, yuck and yuck.
It's true. Where I work, pilots use Toughbooks to store PDF flight items, and JEPP maps. A few have iPads, and asked if they could bring them on board, as a test. We're now looking at outfitting 40 aircraft with them. They're cheaper, lighter, more responsive, and easier to use.
Once you've had a MAC.....
....you'll never go back (to Dell!!). Dell's extremely poor customer service is what made me switch to Mac several years ago. Several 6-8 hour service calls with Dell and no resolve to the problem.......no customer service calls needed to Apple since going MAC. Last straw was a call to CS Tech Support at Dell.....the guy in India (or wherever) was so difficult to understand. And, after 5 hours on the phone with him, he started me on a re-boot and said that while it was re-booting and then loading (something), he would put me on hold and go to lunch and then get back to me after lunch. Finished the install and re-boot and nearly 2 hours later he not only didn't return, but, the call was disconnected. I went to my local MAC store the next day and have never looked back. I got a call from Dell asking about my tech call experience. I started to explain what happend with the tech in India, and then she said "I'm sorry for your experience" and hung up before finishing with the satisfaction (?!) survey. That, Michael Dell, is why I now refer my friends and family to either Mac, if they so wish, or Sony for Windows. And, Mr. Dell, you had an agreement with my employer that offered your products at a pretty decent discount. But, even the discount didn't make it worth the headaches.
....you'll never go back (to Dell!!). Dell's extremely poor customer service is what made me switch to Mac several years ago. Several 6-8 hour service calls with Dell and no resolve to the problem.......no customer service calls needed to Apple since going MAC. Last straw was a call to CS Tech Support at Dell.....the guy in India (or wherever) was so difficult to understand. And, after 5 hours on the phone with him, he started me on a re-boot and said that while it was re-booting and then loading (something), he would put me on hold and go to lunch and then get back to me after lunch. Finished the install and re-boot and nearly 2 hours later he not only didn't return, but, the call was disconnected. I went to my local MAC store the next day and have never looked back. I got a call from Dell asking about my tech call experience. I started to explain what happend with the tech in India, and then she said "I'm sorry for your experience" and hung up before finishing with the satisfaction (?!) survey. That, Michael Dell, is why I now refer my friends and family to either Mac, if they so wish, or Sony for Windows. And, Mr. Dell, you had an agreement with my employer that offered your products at a pretty decent discount. But, even the discount didn't make it worth the headaches.
Would this be an issue with your computing skills or your computer maybe? I have been using iTunes for years on my Mac's and have never had a single failure syncing it with iPods, iPads, and iPhones, not to mention using it with ATV's. Could iTunes be made better. Absolutely. No arguement.
I seem to recall that 80% of Fortune 100 companies are using or testing the iPad as of January this year. Additionally, Forrester released results of a survey of 2,300 IT executives last week that shows one out of four companies using or planning to use tablets.
Link: http://www.macworld.com/article/158914/2011/03/ipad_enterprise.html
That would seem to contradict your statements. You think all these companies know something you don't? And what of security? Many companies with strict security requirements have jumped on the iPad bandwagon, such as Lloyd’s of London, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase. Again, these are multi-billion dollar companies utilizing the iPad. Maybe you should do some checking before making comments like you did.
You sound like many pundits we've heard over the last year. And we're still waiting for that amazing iPad killer. And from the looks of what tablets are coming out soon, we're going to be waiting a while longer.
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