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Depreciation on 2016 MBP
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Absolute nonsense. The MBP will perform in a year still like a beast. I use it as a software engineer for a few days now and I am very happy with the performance. $700 laptops will never have that fast SSDs, such a stunning build quality from aluminum, 10 hours battery time, as awesome trackpad, or a screen of this quality level nor will they have the support, that Apple offers. And most of all, they will not run Mac OS.
Talking like this, only shows that you don't know what you are talking about.
I'm going to try to answer your question directly and objectively. Lots of unsubstantiated claims and hyperbole on this thread.
I would bet that the depreciation of this '16 MBP would be similar to those of other first gens after one year. i.e. 2008, 2012. It will be MORE than the depreciation of the '15 after one year, not because of any nonsense of bad news or good news or instant classic, simply because there is an added upcharge for rev A's. After a year, that upcharge will not be factored in to the used price. In other words, it starts from a higher point. So if impending price drop on 2017's is X, this '16 will drop whatever a typical used MBP drops PLUS X. So it will be greater than the drop of 2013-15 after one year, but not greater than the 2012 after one year. Any other adds or subtractions is speculation based on more speculation.
Config with least depreciation - nTB 13. In used markets for anything, the least amount of drop is always the base model. Two reasons: a) There is less of a delta in the potential drop that can happen (lower price means it can only drop so much) and b) upgrades and bells and whistles usually depreciate more than the base item itself. Of course we may find out that some strange special part made the 15" a collectors item and sought after, but again, that is speculation based on nothing.
It sounds like you are thinking about getting a MBP for just one year of use? Unless it's returning you money in productivity gains, it's a bad ROI proposition. If you're worried about depreciation and just maintaining value, you should get the cheaper '15. It is a lower starting point, and won't depreciate the early adopter tax.
No, what I say is perfectly true, all that's been proven is you live in an Apple bubble. The world has moved on without you.
Look at the budget 1050 leaked numbers, which will be in those $700 machines. They're widely available.
The budget end will be more powerful. The high end will be much more powerful, the same build quality, and $2000 cheaper.
See you toned down your post.
No worries on that, but this is not what he/she meant, but that's the beauty of passive/aggressive and snarky one liners. You can always walk it back or claim it was misinterpreted. I made my judgment on having to read his/her posts over the last couple weeks. I've moved on so no worries.
Your regular Joe won't be as informed as most people on MacRumors. She's right.
As I've pointed out, there's a group of people here who want to bash a product they don't own. If you point that out, they cry and claim you're "insulting them" or using abusive rhetoric. They want their ignorance to be equal to your knowledge and experience.
History repeats itself with every release. I disliked the MacBook along with MANY others, but it's a good machine just like the new MBP. I never bashed it because I could easily see that it was very good for most users.
When you ask about resale, you just open another door for the trolls who want to repeat their negativity without the benefit of experience.
Next week I'm test driving a Tesla (I'll be keeping my Hellcat!) and I've already heard a slew of negativity from (mostly) folks who've never even sat in one. Same noise, different day.
Resale will be fine, as usual. My friend works at an Apple Store and laughs that buyers are often after a fashion product and know very little. They don't even need 1/10th of the power of a base MacBook Air, but they think Mac is "cool" so they pay. This preserves resale value for Mac, even when it's a silly Apple Watch. ✌️
Robert
I think you, @CaptRB, and @enzo thecat should all buy each other drinks in the Hellcat. It's been a long day. Happy Holidays fellas.
This message is APPROVED. Car guys like talking about cars, that just comes with the territory. And only a "car guy" would own a Hellcat.
Did I mention (you likely thought that I was kidding) that the new TMBP will connect to my Hellcat's infotainment system? I do need an adapter though.
R.
TBH, I missed a lot of your posts today. (You had a lot). But what purpose does it have? I've connected to my cars for minor electronic mods, but what does hooking up to infotainment do? Is it to play media?
I run Photoshop while I drive, mainly basic post processing of JPEG files, which I run through the Hellcat NAV system and...Nah, I was only kidding.
I doubt I can find a reason to connect the Mac to the worlds fastest dongle.
R.
I call bull, but feel free to send over links when that happens, I'd be happy to buy one of those.
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What part do you disagree with? The specs and prices of the components are out. The performance leaks of the 1050 are out. The prices of the budget laptops that have both previous generation components have been in stores for a year+.
Put those things together, and you have next year's budget laptops.
I can't speak for other areas, but here in New Zealand the second hand price of recently made Macs has dive bombed. It's got the the point now where a 2012 Mac Mine often sells at a higher price than the latest model. This is great, if you don't mind the limitations of the more recent machines, but it bodes very poorly for future Macs holding their value.
Not sure about the future second hand market value of this generation of MBP but as a used buyer I will be very weary of the second hand units with soldered SSDs. Anyone with some experience with computers knows that storage is usually the first thing to go so replacement will likely be a nightmare. Maybe this new generation of SSDs are much more durable and last a lifetime but I remain skeptical.
In many ways Apple portables now are consumables.
In many ways Apple portables now are consumables.
I honestly don't know anything about graphics cards, I'm not in the market for a 15", so you may be completely right there. I guess these won't go into 13" models? As for Kaby lake, don't benchmarks show it's a very minor upgrade? Of course the macs will get them too (unless they skip a generation)..
Kabylake is more battery efficiency focused than raw grunt, it'll likely be just the typical 5-10% boost if that.
Pascal on the other hand is the biggest single generation GPU leap in 15 years, with a genuine 40%+ leap in power (over 90% in certain tasks ), even at the budget end, card for card.
It's why most Windows laptop manufacturers have skipped Christmas for budget and ultrabook refreshes, and are doing it in Jan/Feb. Basically next year's budget card (and ultrabook card) is outperforming the 970s found in this year's massive gaming slabs by 10%+
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/nvidia-gtx-1050-ti-laptop-specs-performance
Cool. Well it wouldn't really affect me personally since I'm after a fast ultra portable laptop and not a gaming machine. I guess this would be pretty interesting for the 15" crowd though.
Yes , idea is to buy a ntMBP this year, and wait till Apple updates next year with new processor, higher base memory, 12+ battery life... and developers will start making killer Touch Bar features.
The only problem is I just ordered the 1Tb ntMBP version for $2100 which will be worth maybe $1600 this time next year?
Yes , idea is to buy a ntMBP this year, and wait till Apple updates next year with new processor, higher base memory, 12+ battery life... and developers will start making killer Touch Bar features.
The only problem is I just ordered the 1Tb ntMBP version for $2100 which will be worth maybe $1600 this time next year?
You're definitely going to take a hit bigger than you want because of the early adopter upcharge. If you plan on getting a tb next year, I don't know why you're waiting. You will take a bigger hit flipping a computer in one year. Those things you mention may or may not happen. The only thing that's guaranteed is a price drop ($200ish?) if you want a tb get it. Don't believe all the nonsense you read.