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Despite M1 Pro and M1 Max Performance and Efficiency Gains, Intel Still Hopes Apple Will Do Business With It

pankajdoharey said:
Intels fabs are not ready for their own processors but lets see if they can actually deliver a 3nm fab which Apple will be moving to in 2024. If Intel can get their fabs ready they still can get an x86 design out in no time. Though they really should move to a chiplet architecture fast. Otherwise they will continue to suffer. They gotta start copying AMD, and stop ridiculing their design as "glued" together.
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If Intel gets 3nm node chips in volume production in 2024 that are in anyway close to competitive with TSMC I'll give you a million dollars.

They are barely able to produce on their 10nm process which is proving to be under delivering on performance. Given chip designs are designed for a specific process years in advance there is no way Apple will be considering Intel after their failure to deliver.

Who would you bet on to deliver your world class chips? The company with 5 straight years of failure, being beaten by a competitor a tenth the size, solidly in 3rd place for manufacturing, and who bad mouths you in public. Or the guy who has reliably delivered world class chips on time and has the best process in the world? I think if Apple wants to diversify they will be going with Samsung.
 
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Waste of time on Intel's part, that Ship has Sailed !

M1 Max = 911 Turbo S

M1 Pro = 911 Turbo

M2 = 911 GTS

M1 = 911 S

I simply don't see a need for an Intel CPU anymore !

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This is just a report from Digitimes stating the obvious: Intel and Samsung want to fab chips for Apple.
This was already well- known.

While I doubt Apple will switch to either of them, I certainly think it is possible that Intel or Samsung wins some orders in the next five years.

This isn’t Intel being “desperate” or whatever. It’s not even something Intel said; it’s Digitimes. It’s a shame this article is written in a way to suggest that.
 
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heystu said:
I love Pat's optimism. "Yeah I know my girlfriend left me, but I'm sure she'll come back soon." "Yeah I know she's now engaged, but it's just temporary, she'll be back soon." "Yeah I know she's now married with kids and living on the other side of the world, but I'm pretty sure she'll be back any day now..."
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Also known as the Bill Dautrive approach. ​

 
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mac_hack_attack said:
This has almost no chance of happening.

Really!?!? You think Intel's problem is they are still waiting on EUV machines from Samsung.... Firstly, Samsung does not make chip fab machines. It's some other company whose name escapes me right now.
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Samsung doesn’t make EUV machines for intel. That’s ASML.
 
orbital~debris said:
Yes, there’s been a noticeable shift to more provocative tone from MacRumors editors of late.

For example, look at some of the article headlines. They often seem intentionally worded to generate strong reactions in the comments, and polarise debate – instead of encouraging a rational middle ground approach.
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Intel has been acting like a tool lately. Even staying objective, it's hard not to make them look bad. Also, this isn't AP News, it's a site run by Apple lovers...
 
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falkon-engine said:
What would be interesting is if there were a hybrid design, a mix of Apple silicon with a mix of Raptor Cove or some other future intel x86 Cove. Codesigned by both companies.

But I don’t really know the point of it if Apple seems to be leaving x86 behind. for now macOS still has an x86 build, but how long will that last?
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Maybe in 5 years (more or less) the x86 builds of macOS will end. The exact timing i think is dependent on how soon the software developers (large and small) recode their products to run as native apps on M series chips instead of relying on Rosetta 2
 
intel kinda had this coming. for 10 years, all they did was release quad core processors that were slightly faster than the previous year. they had no competition from AMD so they did nothing for 10 years. all of a sudden AMD catches up with ryzen and apple catches up with their arm chips and intel is wondering why everybody is leaving them. intel was a top SSD company but they sold that business to SK Hynix. i suppose they are working on GPUs but they can't just be competitive with nvidia/amd; they have to actually beat them in performance and value or people are gonna be skeptical of switching over. intel is not too far from releasing their first 7/10nm? desktop chips. i wish them the best
 
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A year ago it was the "that young sexy hulk is just her friend, nothing to worry about" stage of the relationship.

Now we're at the "can we still be friends?" denial part of the breakup.

So next year it's the bitter "I hate you" phase?
 
ClevelandGuy said:
Maybe in 5 years (more or less) the x86 builds of macOS will end. The exact timing i think is dependent on how soon the software developers (large and small) recode their products to run as native apps on M series chips instead of relying on Rosetta 2
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That seems to be happening quite fast as Apple has made it very easy to do so. There's only a couple of apps left that I use that don't natively support M1 - and I suspect they will be updated soon.
 
StupidOpinion said:
intel kinda had this coming. for 10 years, all they did was release quad core processors that were slightly faster than the previous year. they had no competition from AMD so they did nothing for 10 years. all of a sudden AMD catches up with ryzen and apple catches up with their arm chips and intel is wondering why everybody is leaving them. intel was a top SSD company but they sold that business to SK Hynix. i suppose they are working on GPUs but they can't just be competitive with nvidia/amd; they have to actually beat them in performance and value or people are gonna be skeptical of switching over. intel is not too far from releasing their first 7/10nm? desktop chips. i wish them the best
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Looking at Alder Lake (their 10nm desktop chips) they seem to be in a pretty bad place in terms of perf/watt which is one of the most important metrics. Given Zen 4 is right around the corner I think Intel is in quite a lot of trouble.

I'm glad to see them entering the GPU market but I have my doubts that they can be competitive with AMD and Nvidia.

While this article is only a leak we don't have a lot of good information on real world Alder Lake performance. It shows their 10nm process is struggling, 5.2GHz at 330W is something else given AMD is able to boost to 4.9GHz with far less power. Basically Intel is throwing everything they can at AMD and still coming up short.

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Intel's Flagship Core i9-12900K Alder Lake CPU Consumes A Whooping 330 Watts Power When Overclocked To 5.2 GHz

The first overclocking benchmarks of the Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake CPU have leaked out and it handily beats AMD's Ryzen 9 5950X.
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827538 said:
Looking at Alder Lake (their 10nm desktop chips) they seem to be in a pretty bad place in terms of perf/watt which is one of the most important metrics. Given Zen 4 is right around the corner I think Intel is in quite a lot of trouble.
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INTEL outsourcing manufacturing to TSMC
(was already reported years ago, some links)

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Report: Intel Signs Contract To Outsource CPUs To TSMC's 3nm Process

A massive claim has just been made by Taiwan's leading newspaper, DigiTimes: Intel has apparently signed a contract with TSMC to fabricate core CPU product lines in 2020 on their 3nm process. This, if true, would change the dynamics of the x86 industry completely next year. Keep in mind, we are...
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asia.nikkei.com

Intel to outsource more chip production after record year

US chip giant has been in talks to hand more work to Taiwanese chipmaker TSMC
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Nicole1980 said:
Any one else think quips like this are getting stale? Every time theres any story about Intel ...
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I’ve no problem with a little schadenfreude at Intel’s expense. They have a long history of arrogance and they are in serious trouble right now. I think their only way out of it is to truly internalize the depth of their failures and rebuild.

This is part of the process Jobs took Apple through when he returned— he stripped away the conceit, and rebuilt the company by building on their true strengths and making some very humble business moves (hello, Mr. Gates, can you join our keynote?)
 
827538 said:
Who would you bet on to deliver your world class chips? The company with 5 straight years of failure, being beaten by a competitor a tenth the size, solidly in 3rd place for manufacturing, and who bad mouths you in public. Or the guy who has reliably delivered world class chips on time and has the best process in the world? I think if Apple wants to diversify they will be going with Samsung.
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While I don't think Apple will switch from TSMC, I'm not sure that Samsung would be their second choice. Samsung has had process issues for years, like Intel, they just have better naming (8nm instead of 14nm+++). Plus Samsung is a direct competitor to Apple, while Intel is not. If Apple used Intel they could also brag about "made in the USA", and Intel might have IP Apple is interested in. Ultimately while I think TSMC is definitely Apple's number one choice, I don't know that Samsung is a shoo-in for number two.
 
How is this news? Gelsinger already said that back in March when they announced their plans to expand their foundry business:

www.techradar.com

Intel says it will go after Apple as a customer for new chips

New Intel CEO wants to end the Asian dominance on chip manufacturing
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I'm amazed that Macrumors apparently doesn't understand the concept of "coopetition". Companies cooperate in one area while competing in others all the time. Heck, even the M1 Macs still have Intel components (e.g. Thunderbolt controllers).
 
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Intel became victims of their own success, they set the standard Apple improved theirs and like the Apple Showcase stated they can’t wait to phase intel to Silicon lololol. I’m an AMD guy anyways lolol
 
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