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I know what I'm buying next month. :) :apple:

Not sure about A7X, I feel like it's too early to introduce it, as the A7 was introduced under a couple weeks ago.
 
And down >25% in the past year.

Statistics can say what you want them to say! ;)

Sure, that's part of the point. But the context was a poster complaining that Apple is releasing updates too slowly and the other poster suggested that the stock price supported that. But a six mo. window makes more sense because before that the previous update was still fresh.
 
This is going to be a really lame upgrade.

  • Faster processor? Big deal, they do that every year anyway.
  • Super thin side bezels? Major downgrade. I guarantee you there will be issues with accidentally using the touch screen while holding.
  • Smaller form factor? Who cares, it's not smaller by enough to make it more portable, but it does mean that any previous iPad case won't fit.
  • Longer battery life? Who cares, nobody should be using their tablet all day anyway.

When are they going to add some real specs, like 41MP camera like Nokia has, or NFC like Samsung has, or multitasking, or 128 GB, or some function for the fingerprint sensor (which may not even be included) besides the super rare function of security from intruders?

So far there is literally zero reason for any logical person to be interested in this product. It's actually WORSE than the iPad 4. This is what happens when you trade a visionary like Steve Jobs for a beancounter like Tim Cook.

I, too, miss the older, heavier, slower computers of yesteryear... /sarcasm

Can't wait to get the mini whenever it comes out
 
And Microsoft is trying to market Tablet-PCs as just another form factor of average PCs for over a decade now, bleeding money left and right.
I don't care if a company loses money left and right...and I don't care if another company gets filthy rich off the ignorant. For me it is not about which company can stockpile the most money. For me it is about having a product that works for me, not one that I have to work for.
But you can reduce it with deliberate limitations in your mobile OS, in order to save battery life and keep telephone functionality working.
Because they don't want to understand that iOS is supposed to have no filesystem access for the user.
Which is the reason why it sucks as a tablet. It is too much like a laptop. That is not what people buy tablets for.
Wrong. It boils down to what the creator of the device expects it to do for you.
For you this obviously makes sense, as you have bought into the notion that everything Apple produces is magic, it does everything how it should (e.g. we are all wrong to expect a device do anything different), and I should have to buy both an iPad AND a Mac(book) in order for my computing demands be complete. "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!"

Adapt or buy something else.

100% Agree...finally a piece of gold. Unfortunately your entire reply simply reinforces the Apple elitism I mention earlier. "Everything Apple makes is brilliant...everything any other company makes is crap". Apple belongs in the dead pile, the sinking raft that Microsoft was forced to help. Apple has simply stumbled upon a genie in a bottle...polished the rusty lamp and was granted just ONE wish ("I wish that we could have just ONE product that people will worship over everything else"). Let's face it, once the *ahem* "magic" of the iPhone wears off, Apple is back in the shadows...because that's all they have is that ONE product...an iPhone...two bigger iPhone's..and then an iPhone store to keep a steady cash flow...all that collapse when the Apple spell has run its course. Really, enjoy your Apple products, it bothers me not that you do...but to those who wish not be "told by the creator"...you have a choice...just think where this world would be if we didn't...
 
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For me it is not about which company can stockpile the most money. For me it is about having a product that works for me, not one that I have to work for.
That is the same in the end. Microsoft wouldn't need to write of loses of $900 million, if the Surface would work for anybody. And Apple wouldn't make billions selling iPads, if that product wouldn't work for an awful lot of people. Financial success is tied to product success.

Having "a product that works for you, not one that you have to work for", is exactly the reason why you don't self-manage your files and processes on an iPad. The OS and the apps are supposed to do that job for you. Developers are supposed to foresee any need to transfer files and add an explicit share button into their apps. Only than the tablet works for you, instead you working for the tablet shoveling its files around.
For you this obviously makes sense, as you have bought into the notion that everything Apple produces is magic, it does everything how it should (e.g. we are all wrong to expect a device do anything different), and I should have to buy both an iPad AND a Mac(book) in order for my computing demands be complete. "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!"
You can't have both, a system that tries to manage itself and a system where the user has full control over every file. If you have both use cases its the best to own two devices, one with OSX and one with iOS. But since you do not appreciate what iOS does for you, you would be fine with just an MacBook Air which coincidentally costs just as much as a Surface Pro.
100% Agree...finally a piece of gold. Unfortunately your entire reply simply reinforces the Apple elitism I mention earlier. "Everything Apple makes is brilliant...everything any other company makes is crap".
Now you are trolling. I give the same advice to Windows and Mac users alike. Learn what the system does and does not. And if it doesn't fit your needs, don't use it. Complaining doesn't change things. You can't enter a baseball club and demand that you want to play football.
Apple belongs in the dead pile, the sinking raft that Microsoft was forced to help. Apple has simply stumbled upon a genie in a bottle...polished the rusty lamp and was granted just ONE wish ("I wish that we could have just ONE product that people will worship over everything else").
The iMac, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad. Which Apple product isn't worshiped by millions of users? Stop ignoring the facts. Apple isn't a one-trick-pony. They consistently revolutionize industries for the benefit of the user.
Let's face it, once the *ahem* "magic" of the iPhone wears off, Apple is back in the shadows...because that's all they have is that ONE product...an iPhone...two bigger iPhone's..and then an iPhone store to keep a steady cash flow...all that collapse when the Apple spell has run its course.
Like never! We are going in the seventh year and people are still camping before Apple Stores to get the new iPhone. The profits and revenues are growing bigger and bigger.
Really, enjoy your Apple products, it bothers me not that you do...but to those who wish not be "told by the creator"...you have a choice...just think where this world would be if we didn't...
No you don't have a choice. You are always told by the creator what to do with their devices. You can only choose which creators decisions you agree with the most. Those who wish not be "told by the creator" shall create their own devices themselves. Go and fork Android (which is another kind of Linux) to whatever system you want. For us consumers, we can only vote with our wallets. And we collectively decided to let the Microsoft Surface bleed money left and right.
 
This is going to be a really lame upgrade.

  • Faster processor? Big deal, they do that every year anyway.
  • Super thin side bezels? Major downgrade. I guarantee you there will be issues with accidentally using the touch screen while holding.


  • You can always use more hardware, so this is a good thing. And it hasn't always been better-iPad 3 used the same CPUs, and 2x the GPUs, but that wasn't actually enough to make up for the 4x higher resolution. I imagine this should be a really awesome upgrade, considering the iPhone 7's CPU/GPU are pretty awesome, and iPad 5 is almost guaranteed to use something like it, but with better GPU, and maybe faster CPUs.

    I totally agree about the sides though. That's...how you hold it. The sides are about perfect as it is right now. I can't imagine trying to read a book when I'm constantly flipping pages because the sides are too small.

    It's a small detail that may end up making the tablet drastically less useful. I know they think they can get around it with software tricks, but stuff like that never works. These touch screens are a bit finicky at best anyway.

    [*]Longer battery life? Who cares, nobody should be using their tablet all day anyway.

    I doubt it will, especially considering they're shrinking it. I'd like much better battery life though. I never think my iPad 2 has "great" battery life, I think it's barely tolerable, and everything else is a joke. Nothing has enough battery.

    When are they going to add some real specs, like 41MP camera like Nokia has, or NFC like Samsung has, or multitasking, or 128 GB, or some function for the fingerprint sensor (which may not even be included) besides the super rare function of security from intruders?

    Not sure how the 4's compares to the iPhone 6's? Would be cool if this got the same camera as the current iPhone though.

    Multitasking, iOS 7...sort of has? I guess? Though Windows RT and 8 are the only mobile OSes that have...well, real multitasking from a user standpoint.

    Fingerprint sensor would be pretty awesome (I wonder how those will hold up, but the idea is cool).

    The iPad's had 128GB for a while now? Or maybe you mean the mini?

    I'd still like additional storage, but that ain't happening when they can charge $200 for a few bucks of flash :-/

    Big reason: Windows 8 sucks

    Windows 8 rocks. Any actual REASON you think it "sucks"?

    You're totally right about Android being a disaster because of no updates though.
 
I have a feeling the A7X, and 128GB will be reserved for the 9.7"
4GB is too big a jump, they will go to 2GB first.

I want to think A6X will be used for the mini, but I think it would be too power hungry for it's size.
I think a regular A7's GPU is enough to push it's pixels.
In either case, manufacturing lines for the A7 for both iPhone 5S, and iPad 5 is giong to be too constrained.

I think a power efficient, A6 from the iPhone 5 with it's 3 core GPU will be found sufficient to drive retina resolution in a mini.

If Apple uses Sharp's IGZO display; it reduces the power by 50% or more!
There no more excuse to not go with state of the art components. If Google's Nexus 7 2013 can function with 9 hours in a 7" display; Apple should have the technology to make the iPad Mini Retina even better. I sure they had a look at the inside of the Nexus 7 2013! It not that big of a problem to do if Google can conquer the problem; Apple just needs to copy Google's solution and improve on it! A7X is called for here!

4GB is need to compute in 64 bit mode!

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Of course there will be a little processor bump. The question is how little?
Quad-core graphics are needed anyway to run a Retina ipad display.

A5 (dual-core gfx) iPad mini 1. generation

A5X (quad-core gfx) iPad 3. generation
A6X (quad-core gfx) iPad 4. generation
A7 (quad-core gfx) iPhone 5s

A5X is too little too late. A6X is most likely for the iPad mini 2. generation and A7 for iPad 5. generation. It would be awesome if both iPads would get the A7 chip. A 64-bit ARM mini computer for $329 would be an instant buy.

But the 32-nm-fab making the A6X needs to be used for something. You can't shut everything down after just one year of production. So the A6X will move from the iPad 4. generation to the iPad mini 2. generation. Its inevitable.

The new A7 chip takes about 24% less power then the A6! It is a much thinner wafer design - I think it is 22mm die! There is no reason to use earlier CPUs other then cost!
 
If Apple uses Sharp's IGZO display; it reduces the power by 50% or more!
There no more excuse to not go with state of the art components. If Google's Nexus 7 2013 can function with 9 hours in a 7" display; Apple should have the technology to make the iPad Mini Retina even better. I sure they had a look at the inside of the Nexus 7 2013! It not that big of a problem to do if Google can conquer the problem; Apple just needs to copy Google's solution and improve on it! A7X is called for here!

4GB is need to compute in 64 bit mode!

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The new A7 chip takes about 24% less power then the A6! It is a much thinner wafer design - I think it is 22mm die! There is no reason to use earlier CPUs other then cost!
4GB is ABSOLUTELY NOT needed in order to utilize 64bit compute.

A7 is 102mm^2. But space, thats not the issue, the issue is logistics. Apple is buying time at a third party 28nm fab for A7 in iPhone5S and presumably A7X for iPad 5. Capacity will be limited.

They will want to diversify and leave iPad Mini 2 at the older 32nm fab running A6 variant chips.
 
I don't see the M7 coming in the Ipad unless isn't just for something else than tracking your steps,fitness..ok i could be useful in car while driving,while i'm wondering how long till the best ipad will be melted in the entry Air?
Maybe with Ipad as detachable display and the Intel still under the keyboard?
Surface 2 its not a problem but a lot of people including me will pay for a real Osx in a tablet.

Surface is actually what I was hoping the original iPad would be. I thought Apple would be the best placed in the world to pull it off, since it requires a lot of thought between hardware and software, but ironically Microsoft got there first. I do hope Apple does it too though.

Taking pictures with an iPad is literally the new fanny pack. If you want a good camera with flash, try the iPhone 5S

So it's a really great idea that people have been talked out of by fashion police?

4GB is need to compute in 64 bit mode!

Depends on what you're doing. 64-bit mode takes more RAM, but not THAT much more. I forget exactly, something like 10-20% maybe? It's definitely less than 50%.

IMO last year's iPhone/iPad should have had 2GB, and this year's should have had 4GB, but the switch to 64-bit in and of itself doesn't eat THAT much more RAM.

The new A7 chip takes about 24% less power then the A6! It is a much thinner wafer design - I think it is 22mm die!

28nm, apparently. Other than Intel, everything's 45, 40, 32, or 28nm right now for CPUs.
 
This is going to be a really lame upgrade.

  • Faster processor? Big deal, they do that every year anyway.
  • Super thin side bezels? Major downgrade. I guarantee you there will be issues with accidentally using the touch screen while holding.
  • Smaller form factor? Who cares, it's not smaller by enough to make it more portable, but it does mean that any previous iPad case won't fit.
  • Longer battery life? Who cares, nobody should be using their tablet all day anyway.

When are they going to add some real specs, like 41MP camera like Nokia has, or NFC like Samsung has, or multitasking, or 128 GB, or some function for the fingerprint sensor (which may not even be included) besides the super rare function of security from intruders?

So far there is literally zero reason for any logical person to be interested in this product. It's actually WORSE than the iPad 4. This is what happens when you trade a visionary like Steve Jobs for a beancounter like Tim Cook.

For people like me who have held off buying a tablet, the upcoming iPad will be just about perfect.
 
if it's noticeably lighter in weight overall then I may buy one. If not, I'll stick with the mini. I gave up on full size iPads with the 3rd gen as it was too heavy to be a useful portable (I have a macbook air for use in the house).
 
Honestly, I'm torn between the new iPad 5, and a retina iPad mini, especially if they debut at the same time.

Same here. I use my mini so much because of the thinness and lightness. Well, now the full iPad is thin and light and the mini is actually a little thicker. Tough call, but I may go with the iPad Air. I would sell my iPad 3, iPad mini, and maybe even my 2013 Nexus 7. I only really need 1 tablet and from what I've read, the new iPad is a joy to hold because it is so thin and light plus I have a lot invested in apps. The Nexus 7 is a beautiful device but I don't get much out of it other than some Facebooking and email reading.
 
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