Detailed Video Showing iPad 5 Physical Changes

[peterdevries]

Can we get this ***** in inches please. some of us aren't math professors. Damn effing metric system.

You don't have to be a math professor. Having attended high school would suffice.

 

[DaBossIsHere]

Will be upgrading from my iPad 2 as its showing its age with iOS7.. Getting slower and slower by every update hahha.

Hopefully there will be the TouchID included

 

[smoking monkey]

It is "right" because more people use it as a standard, not that because it "makes more sense". It would be more correct to say imperial system is less convenient; yet it becomes opposite if your country uses imperial all over the place. I'm personally from metric background but I still had to point this out.

Same for the temperature. Zero doesn't quite make sense as freezing temperature on itself. It makes sense to most metric people because they learned 0 as freezing temperature in celsius. Using the freezing point of water as 0 degrees is an arbitrary decision, just as using 32 degrees in Fahrenheit. It could also have been boiling point of water for 0 degrees, because why not? Frankly, zero makes more sense as the lowest possible temperature; why don't we use Kelvin then?

That's just silly. Of course setting freezing as ZERO makes sense and is not arbitrary. Stop over thinking it!

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Will be upgrading from my iPad 2 as its showing its age with iOS7.. Getting slower and slower by every update hahha.

Hopefully there will be the TouchID included

Yeah, I will be disappointed if it doesn't have touchID but it won't be a deal breaker as I want to use IOS7, but not on an ipad2.

 

[Lerxt]

You don't have to be a math professor. Having attended high school would suffice.

Haha. I'm always amused when Americans complain about the metric system. Their education system failed in their attempt to educate a change a simpler system, metric.

 

[neutrino23]

I agree in part with you. I think the patented incremental Apple upgrades (sligthly thinner, sligthly faster, with a sligthly better camera) are less significant on the iPad than on the iPhone since the former has no contract incentiving people to replace it every two years.

I have no reason to upgrade from my iPad 3, for example. Sure, the iPad 5 will be smaller, but the size and weight of the iPad 3 don't bother me. I would like to update if:

• The new iPad had some new (useful) feature, allowing us to do something (interesting) that today is not viable. A flash would fit here - today it's not viable to take pictures in the dark.

• The new iPad had something improved so much that it would feel almost like a new feature. True multitasking, for example - I would love to be able to open GoodReader and Pages at the same time, so I could write a document while consulting a PDF.

• There were a new and important app exclusive to the new iPad. Office for the iPad would make my life significantly easier if implemented well, for example; if it were exclusive to the new iPad, I would upgrade without a doubt.

• The new iPad had a bigger screen. Something sligthly bigger, with the device at the size of a paper notebook, with a bigger keyboard and at the same time a smaller percentage of the screen taken by the keyboard, would be great for typing on the go.

But, to say the truth, only the first and the fourth points have anything to do with the hardware, the other two are a matter of software. And I doubt very much iOS 7 has any surprise in store for the announcement of the new iPads.

We don't yet know all the details of iPad 5, but lets play with some speculation.

The processor upgrade will be fantastic. The iPad 3 (which I have) is great, but very often when viewing PDFs it lags several seconds when changing pages or views. The iPad 4 was much better in this regard. I expect the iPad 5 will be fantastic at displaying any content we need to see.

I don't know if there will be a higher resolution digitizer, but the higher speed of the processor will help note taking be more responsive.

The higher speed processor will help with compute intensive apps such as image processors. Might we see Aperture for iPad?

I'm slowly developing a physics app that will do a lot of calculations. The new A7 chip will be great for that.

Going from the 3 to the 5 I guess battery charging will speed up. That will help. I don't expect longer battery life. It seems Apple would rather it get lighter than last longer.

A flash would be helpful. Better yet, I wish Apple would implement some way to allow 3rd party lenses to attach to the iPad (or iPhone). Even adding a simple iron ring around the camera would allow for magnetic attachment. A macro lens with a ring of LEDs would be nice for documenting small parts.

In short, I think the A7 chip and enhanced graphics will be reason enough to upgrade from the 3 to the 5. Possibly faster charging, lighter and thinner form factor adds to the attraction.

In addition, I find that every upgrade brings a number of improvements that don't get much attention. I expect the WiFi reception to be better and faster, same for Bluetooth. Sound out will be cleaner, the microphone will be better as well. Happens every time.

 

[Matt8045]

i think you missed out on the part where steve jobs and apple as a whole put out a letter on their website explaining how flash is inferior to HTML5 and that Apple will never support it on iOS.
This happened about 4-5 years ago
Just getting you up to date.

I want A flash for pictures not flash for websites. I don't understand why there hasn't been one for iPads yet

 

[HarryWild]

My iPad Mini Retina configuration.

iPad Mini Retina should have a dual flash in back too!

So here what I looking for in the Mini Retina - A7X, M7, 4GB, 802.11 ac, option for 128GB, dual flash camera in back, IGZO display!

Color is not that important since it going be cover up with the cover but I like the Gray Slate and black bezel.

That it!

Not interested in the enormous size of the iPad5 9.7"! It just to big!

 

[Hunabku]

doing my small part to create clarity

There seems to be an inordinate amount of uniformed comments being made here. Please know that NFC is DOA and that's not because Apple killed it. Because the technology sucks and Apple spared us from it - > plz see iBeacons instead.

With the iphone, Apple has a proven track record of bringing in new users just by updating specs of essentially the same design. The iPad5 looks to be a relatively significant update in the size and weight spec, which is a very important spec as evidenced by the success of the iPad mini. Now add in spec bumps like longer battery life or a faster processor and it's a slam dunk - the iPad5 will sell like crazy.

 

[KohPhiPhi]

This is going to be a really lame upgrade.

• Faster processor? Big deal, they do that every year anyway.
• Super thin side bezels? Major downgrade. I guarantee you there will be issues with accidentally using the touch screen while holding.
• Smaller form factor? Who cares, it's not smaller by enough to make it more portable, but it does mean that any previous iPad case won't fit.
• Longer battery life? Who cares, nobody should be using their tablet all day anyway.

When are they going to add some real specs, like 41MP camera like Nokia has, or NFC like Samsung has, or multitasking, or 128 GB, or some function for the fingerprint sensor (which may not even be included) besides the super rare function of security from intruders?

So far there is literally zero reason for any logical person to be interested in this product. It's actually WORSE than the iPad 4. This is what happens when you trade a visionary like Steve Jobs for a beancounter like Tim Cook.

What a non sense.

What you don't understand is that the iPad (and iPhone/iPod) is already a mature product line, so there's no "revolutionary" feature to implement.

It already does everything a table should do, and it does it amazingly well (retina screen, long battery life, light weight, double camera, etc). So, at this point through the product life span, either you implement gimmicks (like fingerprint sensors) or you simply improve the product's muscle (A7, more RAM, etc).

At this point, and considering the hardware has already peaked, new features should be coming from the software... for example: multi-tasking.

 

[Gudi]

If you actually want to be productive without worrying about limitations, get a laptop that doesn't suck instead of a Surface.

I find this statement funny.

And so it begins. I know I shouldn't answer someone who writes fanboy with an "i" but lets see what you have.

Apple fanboi's always try to separate the tablet experience from the desktop (or laptop)...

And Microsoft is trying to market Tablet-PCs as just another form factor of average PCs for over a decade now, bleeding money left and right.

yet I consistently see, and work with numerous people who want the iPad to be so much more.

And I consistently see people buying unnecessary anti-virus software for Mac. You can't stop people from doing stupid things. But you can reduce it with deliberate limitations in your mobile OS, in order to save battery life and keep telephone functionality working.

They buy apps that provide filesystem-like functionality, they get a keyboard for an operating system that isn't fully designed to understand what each key is supposed to do...

Because they don't want to understand that iOS is supposed to have no filesystem access for the user.

all to try and use the iPad LIKE a laptop.

Which is stupid because laptops already exist to work like laptops.

With Surface you at least get a REAL operating system, with a REAL filesystem, with a REAL ability to use accessories and peripherals.

Which is the reason why it sucks as a tablet. It is too much like a laptop. That is not what people buy tablets for.

It really boils down to what you expect a device to do for you.

Wrong. It boils down to what the creator of the device expects it to do for you. Adapt or buy something else.

In the world I work, I see people who wish the iPad could replace a laptop...but let's face it....IT CAN'T.

And it's not supposed to. It is only save for work if someone writes you an app tailored to your task. It is not supposed to compute data in a pipes and filters design pattern.

That is why we are now fielding Microsoft Surface.

Not really. The creator of the Surface Microsoft wants you to believe that there is nothing more to a tablet than the addition of a touchscreen to a Wintel laptop. These are not the kind of tablets people are buying. People want to be freed from having to manage their own filesystems and processes. They buy iPads because hitting the home button is all they have to do and to know to run a tablet. Its the ease of use that makes tablets desirable.

 

[KohPhiPhi]

The metric system is "right" because more people use it as a standard, not that because it "makes more sense". It would be more correct to say imperial system is less convenient; yet it becomes opposite if your country uses imperial all over the place. I'm personally from metric background but I still had to point this out.

Same for the temperature. Zero doesn't quite make sense as freezing temperature on itself. It makes sense to most metric people because they learned 0 as freezing temperature in celsius. Using the freezing point of water as 0 degrees is an arbitrary decision, just as using 32 degrees in Fahrenheit. It could also have been boiling point of water for 0 degrees, because why not? Frankly, zero makes more sense as the lowest possible temperature; why don't we use Kelvin then?

It's not about "common usage". It's about structuring metrics in ORGANIC quantities derived directly from nature, and then fraction them by 10.

For example: the metric system establishing 0º as freezing temperature and 100º as boiling temperature. You see, it's a metric based on water's natural behaviour, not on an arbitrary figure (WTF is 32º anyway? where does that "32" come from!?)

Same goes for the meter: they measured the distance between the Equator to the Pole, and divided it by 10,000... and voila! you have the meter! Can anyone explain WTF does a yard or a foot or an inch come from?

And the same for a liter as a metric for volume, which equals to 10x10x10 cm3. All based on fractions of 10, you see? now can anyone explain WTF does the gallon come from?

And the same for the kilo, which equals to the weight of a 1 liter of water: it's simple and it's based on nature. Can anyone explain WTF does the pound come from?

Not only the metric system is more widely used and simpler to calculate, but it's also more organic and based on Earth's own very natural metrics, not on some arbitrary calculations some dude from Victorian England pulled out of his rear end.

 

[Technarchy]

Please let there be a retina display iPad mini

 

[KohPhiPhi]

Please let there be a retina display iPad mini

I agree. This, and a little bit of processing bump, is all I want in order to buy the Ipad Mini 2.

 

[Sy7ygy]

This is going to be a really lame upgrade.

• Faster processor? Big deal, they do that every year anyway.
• Super thin side bezels? Major downgrade. I guarantee you there will be issues with accidentally using the touch screen while holding.
• Smaller form factor? Who cares, it's not smaller by enough to make it more portable, but it does mean that any previous iPad case won't fit.
• Longer battery life? Who cares, nobody should be using their tablet all day anyway.

When are they going to add some real specs, like 41MP camera like Nokia has, or NFC like Samsung has, or multitasking, or 128 GB, or some function for the fingerprint sensor (which may not even be included) besides the super rare function of security from intruders?

So far there is literally zero reason for any logical person to be interested in this product. It's actually WORSE than the iPad 4. This is what happens when you trade a visionary like Steve Jobs for a beancounter like Tim Cook.

What a prat.

 

[RedRaven571]

Yeah, I will be disappointed if it doesn't have touchID but it won't be a deal breaker as I want to use IOS7, but not on an ipad2.

I jumped off the cliff and upgraded to iOS7 on my iPad 2, it's running very smoothly, I haven't encountered anything that makes me want to go back to 6.

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It's not about "common usage". It's about structuring metrics in ORGANIC quantities derived directly from nature, and then fraction them by 10.

For example: the metric system establishing 0º as freezing temperature and 100º as boiling temperature. You see, it's a metric based on water's natural behaviour, not on an arbitrary figure (WTF is 32º anyway? where does that "32" come from!?)

Same goes for the meter: they measured the distance between the Equator to the Pole, and divided it by 10,000... and voila! you have the meter! Can anyone explain WTF does a yard or a foot or an inch come from?

And the same for a liter as a metric for volume, which equals to 10x10x10 cm3. All based on fractions of 10, you see? now can anyone explain WTF does the gallon come from?

And the same for the kilo, which equals to the weight of a 1 liter of water: it's simple and it's based on nature. Can anyone explain WTF does the pound come from?

Not only the metric system is more widely used and simpler to calculate, but it's also more organic and based on Earth's own very natural metrics, not on some arbitrary calculations some dude from Victorian England pulled out of his rear end.

No offense, but the metric system is just as arbitrary because it is based on the fact that we have 10 fingers. If humans had 8 fingers, the 'metric' system would have used a base of 8......

And, by the way, dividing the distance from the pole to the equator and dividing by 10,000, or whatever, is a relatively random process also. How about if they had measured the circumference of the earth and divided by 10,000 (or 100,000), would that have been better or worse?

 

[Gudi]

I agree. This, and a little bit of processing bump, is all I want in order to buy the Ipad Mini 2.

Of course there will be a little processor bump. The question is how little?
Quad-core graphics are needed anyway to run a Retina ipad display.

A5 (dual-core gfx) iPad mini 1. generation

A5X (quad-core gfx) iPad 3. generation
A6X (quad-core gfx) iPad 4. generation
A7 (quad-core gfx) iPhone 5s

A5X is too little too late. A6X is most likely for the iPad mini 2. generation and A7 for iPad 5. generation. It would be awesome if both iPads would get the A7 chip. A 64-bit ARM mini computer for $329 would be an instant buy.

But the 32-nm-fab making the A6X needs to be used for something. You can't shut everything down after just one year of production. So the A6X will move from the iPad 4. generation to the iPad mini 2. generation. Its inevitable.

 

[KohPhiPhi]

No offense, but the metric system is just as arbitrary because it is based on the fact that we have 10 fingers. If humans had 8 fingers, the 'metric' system would have used a base of 8......

Errr... but we happen to not be octopuses and we happen to have 10 don't we? plus it's easier to multiply and fraction it, so it makes more sense to use a base-10 system than a base-12 system (as used while fractioning feet).

And, by the way, dividing the distance from the pole to the equator and dividing by 10,000, or whatever, is a relatively random process also. How about if they had measured the circumference of the earth and divided by 10,000 (or 100,000), would that have been better or worse?

/sigh... You missed the point. It doesnt matter whether they decided to divide the distance by 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000, because they ALL equally belong to the metric system (remember it's a base-10 system). That's why there's the meter, the centimeter (meter/100), the kilometer (meter x 1000), etc. That's the beauty of the metric system: all multiples of 10 are part of the system and are interchangeable.

You cannot do that in the imperial system: there's no direct relationship between say, a yard and a mile, or a mile and an inch, etc. That problem doesn't exist in the metric system: you simply add, for example, 000 and you've instantly converted 1 meter into 1 kilometer. See why it's easier and more organic?

 

[cwwilson]

Seeing as the iPad is my favorite toy I'm totally interested in upgrading to a 5 seeing how it takes the best design cues from the mini but it'll still have all the power you can handle. I'll admit though, the mini with Retina is awfully enticing. If the 5 weighs about the same as the iPad 2 then I'll go with that one.

 

[Teste]

No offense, but the metric system is just as arbitrary because it is based on the fact that we have 10 fingers. If humans had 8 fingers, the 'metric' system would have used a base of 8......

But the entire math system is based on a decimal numeral system. When we say 10, we mean ten of something; if the numeral system were based on 8, "10" would actually mean eight of something.

That's why the "meter" system is more logical. It fits within the numeral system predominantly used by the great majority of the world. If everyone used binary all the time, using the metric system wouldn't make sense since it's a decimal scale; just like using the imperial system today doesn't really makes sense, since everyone uses a decimal system all the time.

 

[wankey]

This is going to be a really lame upgrade.

• Faster processor? Big deal, they do that every year anyway.
• Super thin side bezels? Major downgrade. I guarantee you there will be issues with accidentally using the touch screen while holding.
• Smaller form factor? Who cares, it's not smaller by enough to make it more portable, but it does mean that any previous iPad case won't fit.
• Longer battery life? Who cares, nobody should be using their tablet all day anyway.

When are they going to add some real specs, like 41MP camera like Nokia has, or NFC like Samsung has, or multitasking, or 128 GB, or some function for the fingerprint sensor (which may not even be included) besides the super rare function of security from intruders?

So far there is literally zero reason for any logical person to be interested in this product. It's actually WORSE than the iPad 4. This is what happens when you trade a visionary like Steve Jobs for a beancounter like Tim Cook.

41MP Camera on a tablet? NFC that NOBODY has yet found a use for? And you can already get the 128gb version.

All I hear is whining.

 

[Curun]

iPad Mini Retina should have a dual flash in back too!

So here what I looking for in the Mini Retina - A7X, M7, 4GB, 802.11 ac, option for 128GB, dual flash camera in back, IGZO display!

Color is not that important since it going be cover up with the cover but I like the Gray Slate and black bezel.

That it!

Not interested in the enormous size of the iPad5 9.7"! It just to big!

I have a feeling the A7X, and 128GB will be reserved for the 9.7"
4GB is too big a jump, they will go to 2GB first.

I want to think A6X will be used for the mini, but I think it would be too power hungry for it's size.
I think a regular A7's GPU is enough to push it's pixels.
In either case, manufacturing lines for the A7 for both iPhone 5S, and iPad 5 is giong to be too constrained.

I think a power efficient, A6 from the iPhone 5 with it's 3 core GPU will be found sufficient to drive retina resolution in a mini.

 

[Gudi]

But the entire math system is based on a decimal numeral system. When we say 10, we mean ten of something; if the numeral system were based on 8, "10" would actually mean eight of something.

The metric system is were math and physics meet biology. We have 10 fingers and with metric units just like with decimal numbers 10 of something always equals 1 of something else. And it is good so.

To the metric system!

 

[cb911]

Yes - finally a thinner, slimmer iPad! Was not too impressed when they fattened the iPad 3... this might actually get me to consider retiring the iPad 2...

 

[cb911]

When are they going to add some real specs, like 41MP camera like Nokia has, or NFC like Samsung has ...

Because there's no point to a 100MP camera if it can't produce a quality image. And no, more megapixels doesn't mean a better image, just a larger one. Apple is doing the right thing in the iPhone 5S by increasing the size of the sensor in the camera instead of just cramming more pixels in there.

I noticed you talking about the soon-to-be-history technology known as "NFC". Sounds like you really need to set aside 10 minutes and to learn about iBeacon.

So far there is literally zero reason for any logical person to be interested in this product. It's actually WORSE than the iPad 4. This is what happens when you trade a visionary like Steve Jobs for a beancounter like Tim Cook.

You mean zero logical reason... aside from the reason I want to upgrade my iPad 2 to a thinner, lighter and generally better model?

I've got to laugh whenever someone makes the "Steve Jobs - Tim Cook" comparison. Steve Jobs was the master of incremental updates. A little more reading for Sir: http://techland.time.com/2013/09/24/the-myth-of-steve-jobs-constant-breakthroughs/

 

[Bare]

I'll consider upgrading my iPad 2 when the new iPad has multi-user support. I see TouchID working brilliantly for that. Until then, I can't believe how great and future-proof the iPad 2 was!

Future-proof except that you've been looking at that low-quality screen for all this time. The iPad 3 trumped the iPad 2 for that "resolutionary" screen alone.