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Details Emerge Regarding 'Face ID' Setup Process on iPhone X

threesixty360 said:
I am absolutely perplexed by this from Apple. I just don't get it. How is a face more secure than a thumb print? You are more likely to get people who look similar (or even a 3d model of a face) than to clone someone's finger print.

And how many times do you unlock your phone when not directly looking at it. When I'm working I have my phone flat on my desk and I just put my finger/thumb on it an it unlocks. Then I can select things without having to pick up the phone. Same as when I'm in bed etc.. How on earth is this meant to work with only FaceId?

Will I end using the passcode again? It all feels so "samsungish"!
Like they are doing it because they can, not because it's better.
What about when your cold in and your wrapped up with a scarf or a hood? seriously?
Is this for real? Or do they think every place on earth is southern california?

The headphone I didn't like but I was willing to go with Apple on that because of their track record. Is this the true "jump the shark" moment? This is their biggest product, it can not be messed up. it just cant.

And with the leaks? What staff member would do that? no one leaks stuff like that in other companies. Apple have some serious issues internally if staff members would do that. Maybe they need to all air out their grievances.
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Actually no, your face is VERY unique in bone structure and features (big nose, small nose, thin lips, spots, freckles), people seem to be judging this off of past technology from companies like Samsung, Apple have been working on this for the past decade, brought multiple companies and hold even more patents for facial recognition, the latest leak even says that it will work even when laying on a desk and or at weird angles.

While Samsung have put in a facial recognition system that is easily fooled (Note 8, S8) doesn't mean that Apple have done the same, in fact it seems much more advanced than any of the completion have done, this doesn't surprise me tho, Apple are known for this, they take a technology and make it 100 times better while putting their own spin on it, they did exactly the same with Touch ID.

While i understand scepticism, don't count them out. The event is tomorrow and we will all know.
 
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jamesrick80 said:
And you have no idea either apparently. Do you work for Apple...I'm guessing not. Sleep on it cuz I am going to bed now.....
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thats exactly my point. noone except apple knows for sure. i was triggered because of your choice of words:
"Face ID was definitely not their first choice "
 
Dave245 said:
While i understand scepticism, don't count them out. The event is tomorrow and we will all know.
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I'm trying not to, believe me!

But what about the use case for unlocking the phone when not directly looking at it? Like my example where it's on my desk?
 
I'd be very surprised if Apple gives up something as simple and relatively secure as fingerprint identification in favour of face identification, which is more easily fooled. Perhaps they put a fingerprint sensor in the power button, like Sony does outside the US - I seem to recall that Sony doesn't do it in the US specifically because Apple has, ahem, a patent to it.
 
threesixty360 said:
I'm trying not to, believe me!

But what about the use case for unlocking the phone when not directly looking at it? Like my example where it's on my desk?
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It will work on a desk as this article says "even when flat" - https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/21/iphone-8-face-recognition-speed/

I'm also sure they have thought about all of this, especially considering how long they have been working on facial recognition - http://bgr.com/2017/07/13/iphone-8-features-3d-facial-recognition/

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...cial-recognition-while-laying-on-tables-desks
 

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Slix said:
I've only read about half the posts so far in this thread, but I'm really wondering - How will this supposed "Face ID" affect battery life? Especially if it's checking the face every 5 seconds, it can't be good for battery life for the phone.

I really hope this is all some elaborate "fake leak" from Apple, honestly.
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Hey Siri has your iPhone constantly listening for the keyword, with no noticeable loss in battery life. Apple likely has found a way of offloading this process to some dedicated processor, so I am not too worried.
 
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It will work on a desk as this article says "even when flat" - https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/21/iphone-8-face-recognition-speed/

I'm also sure they have thought about all of this, especially considering how long they have been working on facial recognition - http://bgr.com/2017/07/13/iphone-8-features-3d-facial-recognition/

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...cial-recognition-while-laying-on-tables-desks
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yeah, like 'hey siri' always "works" and raise to wake the watch "works".. and like the CarPlay always does what you say...
They dont always work that why they are fustrating.
The reality is no camera can clearly see my face when my phone on my desk next to me. I would have to move my phone nearer than I would normally have my hands, just to unlock my phone!

I dont mind if both options are available, but apple tend to remove a thing totally and make every one "half arse" their way through the new thing. Look at the dongles/usb 3 thing, the headphones, the first MacBook air that was slower than a tortoise. Its just so apple to do that.
 
I switch between computer and everyday glasses. I wonder how Face ID will deal with that? Do i need to take my glasses of entirely to use it? That will be fun waiting in line at the register.
 
winglet69 said:
Is there not a single person slightly concerned about the possible unintended consequences of collecting millions upon millions of closeup headshots? Seems like giving away a lot - one's face - to get a triviality: a mobile phone unlocked slightly more quickly.

And Orwell applauds.
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As with TouchID, first it's not sent anywhere. It's stored in the Secure Enclave. Second, it is not keeping a picture of your face anymore than it's keeping an actual fingerprint. The face is scanned and then reduced to a one-way hash. You can't reconstruct the face from the Hash. It introduces the minuscule possibility that someone could feasibly have the same hash.
 
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groovyd said:
close your eyes maybe or stick your tongue out?
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Bingo. Set up up face id with eyes closed and tongue stuck out. Use that expression normally and if stopped by police, stump 'em with an unexpressive face.
 
rGiskard said:
Bingo. Set up up face id with eyes closed and tongue stuck out. Use that expression normally and if stopped by police, stump 'em with an unexpressive face.
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And then spend all day every day in public closing your eyes and sticking your tongue out in public to unlock your phone. Genius.
 
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douglasf13 said:
I was under the impression that the concern was with officers checking our phones at the time of arrest. If we're talking search warrants, I have no problem with it.
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In the United States, law enforcement can only examine the contents of your phone with a signed search warrant, or if you give your consent. If there are exigent circumstances, for example, you are suspected of holding someone's life in peril somewhere and time is of the essence to protect that life, then your phone could be examined immediately.

Crossing into the US border while going through customs seems to have a different set of rules.
 
And so the fragmentation of Apple's products continues:

Macs/iPad - 3.5mm jack. iPhone - lightning
iPhone - lightning. MacBook Pro - USB 3
iPhone charger - USB-A. MacBook Pro - USB 3
MacBook Pro - Touch ID. iPhone X - Face ID
 
big-ted said:
How do I stop the police getting me to unlock my phone, currently if I use the wrong finger enough times it needs a passcode which I have forgotten, I can't change my face while the police have me in restraint
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Apple should offer an option to add a "biometric" signature to the unlock procedure, for example, blink twice with your left eye whilst sticking your tongue out ;)
 
craznar said:
There are so many situations where Face ID will fail for me ... I mean I wear glasses, headsets, CPAP machine at various times ... how the hell is FaceID going to function in day to day operations for so many people with so many varied situations.

Keeping my iPhone 7+ this year... see if they get TouchID Back under the screen by iPhone 9.
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For real. It may be worth sitting this one out as far as an upgrade and sticking to my 6S. Maybe I'll grab the 7S
 
filmantopia said:
You can't fool a parallax sample with a photo. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Wrong. What an ironic comment, the irony burns. Try again.

BvizioN said:
Yes, it is like no one at Apple have thought of the different scenarios, only genius people at MacRumors have these ideas. But I still enjoy reading these laughable comments. It's like dejavo, before touch ID was implemented, with all the horror stories of fingers being cut an stuff. Absolutely hilarious!
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That's funny, because they managed to bypass touchid.
 
citysnaps said:
In the United States, law enforcement can only examine the contents of your phone with a signed search warrant, or if you give your consent. If there are exigent circumstances, for example, you are suspected of holding someone's life in peril somewhere and time is of the essence to protect that life, then your phone could be examined immediately.

Crossing into the US border while going through customs seems to have a different set of rules.
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I know that's the law, but that doesn't mean that some bad apple officers follow it. Plus, they'll confiscate your phone, so it can't hurt to have it perma-locked until the search warrant is issued.

Look, it may seem like a bit of a red herring, but, as an upper-middle class white guy who's been falsely accused of crimes twice, granted never arrested, I can only imagine what other people have gone through. In fact, my close friend's mom was raped by a police officer during a highway stop.

I've had officer friends, and I like most officers I meet, but, just like any group, bad apples spoil the bunch, especially when they have a little power.
 
douglasf13 said:
I know that's the law, but that doesn't mean that some bad apple officers follow it. Plus, they'll confiscate your phone, so it can't hurt to have it perma-locked until the search warrant is issued.

Look, it may seem like a bit of a red herring, but, as an upper-middle class white guy who's been falsely accused of crimes twice, granted never arrested, I can only imagine what other people have gone through. In fact, my close friend's mom was raped by a police officer during a highway stop.

I've had officer friends, and I like most officers I meet, but, just like any group, bad apples spoil the bunch, especially when they have a little power.
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I hear ya...

Probably best to not use mobile phones, computers, etc. if you feel that way.
 
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