And you are kidding yourself if you don't believe apple will introduce touchid built into the screen in 2018, and promote that.
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And you are kidding yourself if you don't believe apple will introduce touchid built into the screen in 2018, and promote that.
Where did I say they wouldn’t? What does that have to do with wearing glasses?
I don’t personally believe they will as it happens but even if they did, so what? Is the theory you can never buy a phone in case a feature is added the following year? Good luck with that.
Actually not true, If u can unlock so fast when the screen facing you. Then there is no difference.
Unless, u wish to unlock and do something with the phone without phone facing your face. Then your statement is true.
Unless, u wish to unlock and do something with the phone without phone facing your face. Then your statement is true.
Will be fun reading all the complaints about facial recognition the first week people get the phone. It's going to happen. I will wait until 2018 when touch ID returns.
It's the Finder icon modernized to look like a person holding an iPhone in front of their face.
(at least the second screenshot has it edited to look like that)
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It would be cool if Apple included touch ID in the rear camera lens area to act as a backup.
I've noticed that when I hold my iPhone 7 in my left hand (which is most of the time) my left index finger naturally sits on the camera lens. It would be the perfect place for touch ID. And it's easy to find by feel alone because of the ridge.
Just do not compare with Samsung S8 experience. This company is just so lazy.
It put fingerprint scanner in the back near the camera. Can u believe that? Very ugly implementation!
Back to face id, I am sure there is some pro and con over the touch id.
In many use cases, touch id has failed miserably. Such as wet/dirty fingers or when users wear gloves (even the capatitive friendly one). In these cases, face id prevails
Doubtfully, face id might fail with big sunglasses. Or when u cover certain amount of area of your face.
Let wait 48 hours. U will get clear answers
It put fingerprint scanner in the back near the camera. Can u believe that? Very ugly implementation!
Back to face id, I am sure there is some pro and con over the touch id.
In many use cases, touch id has failed miserably. Such as wet/dirty fingers or when users wear gloves (even the capatitive friendly one). In these cases, face id prevails
Doubtfully, face id might fail with big sunglasses. Or when u cover certain amount of area of your face.
Let wait 48 hours. U will get clear answers
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Yah. This behemoth is making stupid move. After considering options for several years by the greatest mind in mobile industry. Hahaha.
You can set a default credit card, no need to confirm which one.
Either way, I think we can agree that FaceID is a nice addition to iPhone, and removing TouchID is a step backwards. They'd complement each other nicely.
Many have asked & many have replied.
The phone uses Infrared & so doesn’t need light. It’s not taking a photo, it’s creating a 3D map of your face. It also means that it can work with facial hair, glasses, contact lenses etc.
The big unanswered question:
What were the drawbacks of Face ID that made Apple initially want to use touch ID under the screen? Face ID was definitely not their first choice and it was maybe still in the process of development once touch ID under the screen didn't work. Now, that it's so-called complete and will be a feature, there has to be some drawbacks.
I'm just wondering what the unexpected consequences will be. It will be a fun few months before something goes wrong possibly. Touch ID should have been at least placed on the power button or the back of the device to avoid any stigmas.
What were the drawbacks of Face ID that made Apple initially want to use touch ID under the screen? Face ID was definitely not their first choice and it was maybe still in the process of development once touch ID under the screen didn't work. Now, that it's so-called complete and will be a feature, there has to be some drawbacks.
I'm just wondering what the unexpected consequences will be. It will be a fun few months before something goes wrong possibly. Touch ID should have been at least placed on the power button or the back of the device to avoid any stigmas.
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Here’s the big question? How is this not wishful thinking and conjecture? Prove it. MacRumors forums rules say you should prove your conjecture.
Create a crazy facial expression and and make that your official unlock face.
Then when the police try to get you to take their demands seriously and unlock your phone, all they will see is your phone failing to unlock when you look into it normally.
Or, you could, like, not use Face ID, much like some people don't use Touch ID now, and just use a normal passcode to unlock your phone.
From my reading of earlier rumours, it appears that Apple had three options:
- TouchID under screen
- FaceID
- TouchID on rear as fallback
The choice of which system to use will no doubt have been down to whether they could achieve the same or better accuracy & security as current TouchID. I doubt they would have ever planned both as that's not Apple's style. When they found that FaceID achieved the required reliability they could go with that, with the benefit of cutting additional complexity (& cost).
No doubt we will get more information on Tuesday & in subsequent interviews with Schiller et al.
If I only wanted to use a default card, it would be no issue. As I have 4 cards, and use them about equally, there's just a 25% chance that I'll have the card I want when pulling out my phone, 75% probability that I'll have to override. Default is therefore virtually meaningless. "Last card used" would work just as well (or poorly) in my case.
I think we can agree that Face ID is likely to be a nice addition.
At this time, when we're all speaking hypothetically, I can't agree that removing Touch ID would be a step backwards. To me, "step backwards" would mean that Face ID would not be as useful or effective as Touch ID. That would depend entirely on implementation, of course. Since I'm obviously optimistic about that implementation, I can't agree with you at this time. Maybe after experiencing Face ID in person I'll have to change my mind.
If Apple had to provide two systems for ID, I'd consider that to be a step backwards. I find that kind of redundancy to be offensive - increased cost and complexity for, presumably, little additional benefit (eg. sometimes Facial ID may be superior, sometimes Touch ID may be superior, most of the time either will do quite nicely). Either a system of this sort works well enough to stand on its own merits, or it doesn't.
Maybe the skepticism is driven, in part, by the progression of rumors. Initially, the rumors favored Touch ID built into the display, with rumors of Facial ID coming much later. A person might get the impression that Facial ID is some sort of half-baked stopgap because the display-embedded Touch ID didn't work out. Maybe that is how things happened, but I see things differently. A well-implemented facial recognition system cannot be rushed into production, and a display-embedded touch sensor is very hard thing to do - resolution has to be much greater than the normal touchscreen sensing grid. Both would have to be in active R&D for quite some time. In an organization as large as Apple's, both those systems, and perhaps others, would have been in development on parallel, competitive paths. The decision as to whether to pursue in-screen Touch ID or Facial ID could have been made two years ago, or more, or they could have kept both in development for a while longer, with one as a backup for the other.
From my perspective, you just have to look at AR Kit to understand that 3D Facial ID was deemed ready for prime time a while ago. AR Kit is one of the foundation technologies for effective 3D Facial ID, and all indications from developers is that AR Kit is very, very capable. Further, since the front camera could not be eliminated (what, kill selfies and FaceTime???) and an infrared 3D sensor is quite small compared to the Home button (and can be co-located with the front camera), and the secure enclave and other elements needed to support the back end of the process were already in place (the difference between storing/comparing facial measurements vs. fingerprint measurements is negligible)... Add in the added functional and security benefits of effective 3D facial recognition, and you have what, to me, is a no-brainer: Pie in the sky to embed a Touch ID capability in the display vs. a superior system built from standard components.
[Added: Further, it's much easier to implement secure 3D Facial ID into iMacs than to implement secure Touch ID in an external keyboard. When you consider that 3D sensing will be necessary if hand gestures are to be added to Mac computing... 3D recognition systems of some sort were likely always the favored solution for Macs.]
When the vast majority of the press, Wall St. analysts, and Apple fans were thinking, "What are they going to do about Touch ID if the Home button goes away," the unvoiced assumption was that iPhone X would have to have Touch ID. I think that was a failure of imagination. Nobody thought Apple might "creatively destroy" Touch ID so few years after it was introduced.
People's assessment of the likely weaknesses of 3D Facial ID are eerily similar to their assessment of the likely weaknesses of Touch ID - in both cases, they're colored by the poor quality of existing implementations. Yet Apple's "thing" is to get things right, rather than push a half-assed product onto the market. That's why Maps was judged so harshly when released - it was so atypical of Apple. I have a (strong) feeling that 3D Facial ID will be another case of Apple at its best, rather than its worst.
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I'd really like this feature to come to the iPad as well, unlock the device for different users and load settings and stuff for each individual member of the family.
And it could work in some ways on the iPhone as well, you can register some family members and they can unlock you iPhone and have access to certain features, like making calls or watching pictures, but not others (Apple pay, messages, install apps)
I know it is not something is going to happen soon, just wishful thinking
And it could work in some ways on the iPhone as well, you can register some family members and they can unlock you iPhone and have access to certain features, like making calls or watching pictures, but not others (Apple pay, messages, install apps)
I know it is not something is going to happen soon, just wishful thinking
Is there not a single person slightly concerned about the possible unintended consequences of collecting millions upon millions of closeup headshots? Seems like giving away a lot - one's face - to get a triviality: a mobile phone unlocked slightly more quickly.
And Orwell applauds.
And Orwell applauds.
I also use several cards - my Amex card is my default but not everywhere takes it (their merchant fees are quite high I believe) & it doesn't always work with contactless terminals. My Marks & Spencer card is for shopping for food there and then I have a debit card as fallback.
As you say, people's negative responses to FaceID are partly due to not being open to change but most replies here seem to be based on misinformation or desire to see Apple fail. I don't have blind faith in Apple, but do have enough experience of them to appreciate their ability to get things right most of the time. This is such an important release for them that they will not have gone ahead without being certain of the technology. Anyone who thinks that this will be a half-baked release (or want it to be) are likely going to be either impressed or disappointed (depending on their allegiance/opinion of Apple).
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Not in the slightest - headshots are all out there already with the billions of selfies.
As has been said repeatedly, the phone won't be taking photos but creating a 3D map (point cloud) of faces using infrared and storing that in the secure enclave, as happens now with fingerprints. If you're worried that Apple share this information somehow then you should be pleased that they will in future be sharing facial features that can be captured with a camera rather than fingerprints that are rather more difficult to capture without knowledge.
What is far more Orwellian is the fact that CCTV cameras are everywhere and using facial recognition to track our movements without our knowledge, while ANPR cameras are similarly capturing vehicle movements.
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Oy! The very same thing was said of Touch ID, just substituting "photos of fingerprints" for "closeup headshots." This is biometrics - measurements of the body. Photos are not stored - a group of measurements are stored - a series of mapping coordinates which, on their own, are insufficient to create even a connect-the-dots drawing of a face or fingerprint. Distances and angles are compared. If enough of those distances and angles match up, the ID passes. If not...
If you want to engage in Orwellian fantasies, worry about all the other self-portraits people take of themselves, store on their cameras, and share with their friends and family. Can you really trust that the front camera is not actively sending photos on the sly to Big Brother? Why not brood over the People feature of the Photos app (and iPhoto before it), which has been doing active facial recognition for many years? Worry about your drivers license or passport photo, which are likely what the government really uses when doing facial recognition "sweeps" with public security cameras.
It has been covered before, it is unlikely to capture the actual face. Instead it will capture a series of points associated with your face.
It is also most likely that this will reside in the secure enclave much like your fingerprint.
The better question is, can I beat this with a 3D scanned prosthetic?
actually we have no idea what their first choice was and what wasn't. apple always tests alot of different technologies at the same time. all we heard were some fishy rumors of them dropping it at the last minute, because they couldn't make it work. but this can not be proven nor does it make sense to me, because the final design of the device must have been made a long time ago and last minute changes like that are a nightmare for a high volume device.
it might just as well not have been good enough yet, because prototypes of other devices with technology like that (from qualcomm) were rather slow (about a second to unlock).
I don't think the general user needs to be concerned about 3D scanned prosthetics. Users who are that concerned about privacy that they need to guard against such determined attacks will probably have greater security in place or won't be using any smartphone for sensitive data.
And you have no idea either apparently. Do you work for Apple...I'm guessing not. Sleep on it cuz I am going to bed now.....
I am absolutely perplexed by this from Apple. I just don't get it. How is a face more secure than a thumb print? You are more likely to get people who look similar (or even a 3d model of a face) than to clone someone's finger print.
And how many times do you unlock your phone when not directly looking at it. When I'm working I have my phone flat on my desk and I just put my finger/thumb on it an it unlocks. Then I can select things without having to pick up the phone. Same as when I'm in bed etc.. How on earth is this meant to work with only FaceId?
Will I end using the passcode again? It all feels so "samsungish"!
Like they are doing it because they can, not because it's better.
What about when your cold in and your wrapped up with a scarf or a hood? seriously?
Is this for real? Or do they think every place on earth is southern california?
The headphone I didn't like but I was willing to go with Apple on that because of their track record. Is this the true "jump the shark" moment? This is their biggest product, it can not be messed up. it just cant.
And with the leaks? What staff member would do that? no one leaks stuff like that in other companies. Apple have some serious issues internally if staff members would do that. Maybe they need to all air out their grievances.
And how many times do you unlock your phone when not directly looking at it. When I'm working I have my phone flat on my desk and I just put my finger/thumb on it an it unlocks. Then I can select things without having to pick up the phone. Same as when I'm in bed etc.. How on earth is this meant to work with only FaceId?
Will I end using the passcode again? It all feels so "samsungish"!
Like they are doing it because they can, not because it's better.
What about when your cold in and your wrapped up with a scarf or a hood? seriously?
Is this for real? Or do they think every place on earth is southern california?
The headphone I didn't like but I was willing to go with Apple on that because of their track record. Is this the true "jump the shark" moment? This is their biggest product, it can not be messed up. it just cant.
And with the leaks? What staff member would do that? no one leaks stuff like that in other companies. Apple have some serious issues internally if staff members would do that. Maybe they need to all air out their grievances.