Details of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Saga Revealed in Search Warrant Affidavit

[cmaier]

Or maybe he would have handed it in, apple would still contact the police and be charged with steeling, considering apple has its own little police force something companies don't see to have in other places, why would anyone think it still would not have involved the police.

Sure that special division is not only for apple but seem to be for a small nitch area considering how many billion is california in the hole.

Every large silicon valley company has a security team. I worked at AMD and Sun, both of which had teams responsible for detecting and preventing corporate espionage and protecting trade secrets.

The task force is there because there are thousands of high-tech companies in san Mateo county- the economy depends on them. There is also a lot of crime involving hacking their computers, trade secret theft, issues with angry ex-employees, etc. It makes sense for cops to focus on crime that is common and damaging to the locality. Just like in your town there is a task force to catch truants and meth dealers.


If he had handed in the phone and if he had been charged, the difference would be he would be innocent. Being innocent is a powerful defense.

This is a bizarre chin punch to Jason Chen; who said that the phone worked after it was re-assembled.

Now I wonder if someone else opened the iPhone, before Gizmodo got it; Might this explain why it didn't get past the startup screen?

I believe nothing Chen said, since he's clearly been caught in multiple lies already.

 

[tigres]

This will make a good Borne movie.

 

[SFC Archer]

Bars are social places where a great many people often go to unwind. Unwind doesn't necessarily mean get drunk. And not everyone in a bar is a drunk.

Reading a little helps one make a fairly educated guess. I also was not there and can not say he was or was not drunk. HOWEVER, when one reads his own posts on facebook, and some of the previous stories posted HERE on MacRumors BY ARN did originally say he was having a grand old time.

Granted the source of this link can be questioned, but some of the evidence coming from the Engineers own facebook account can validate some of it.
http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone.

Also doing a little research does wonders: http://www.gourmethausstaudt.com/
This is a "BEER GARDEN", German Specialty Store and "German Beer School"

Again, although this is not "proof" that he was "drunk" it is proof that he knew where he was going, to celebrate a birthday, with the intent to consume alcohol. With this in mind, being a responsible, trusted engineer with a top secret, classified, trade secret loaded device that is "invaluable" The enginerr was not responsible in his actions and was NOT "testing" this device at his little celebration. He is therefore partly responsible for losing the stupid phone.

AND @ jb1280, I DID NOT and STATE SO AGAIN, condone the actions or support any of the actions of those individuals that took the prototype and the actions that occurred after the loss of the device. I am only "discussing" the irresponsible actions of the Engineer and that he is just as guilty and irresponsible as the rest of them.

 

[Speedy2]

What I am stating is that this Engineer is JUST as responsible and therefore LIABLE as anyone else. IT IS HIS fault and LACK of RESPONSIBLE JUDGMENT that started this whole mess in the first place.

No one's talking about a civil case, where liabilities would matter. We're talking about theft and selling+buying stolen items here. If I accidentally leave my car in front of my door with the keys in the ignition, I might be stupid and the insurance might refuse to pay, but it doesn't mean I can be charged being an accomplice in a crime. Neither will the fact that the theft might have been easier make the crime less serious.

 

[cmaier]

Ive been there. It's a restaurant with a bar area. He arrived at 8:30? It closes at 10. Supposedly he drove? Seems unlikely to me that he had more than a couple beers. His Facebook updates also appeared relatively cogent - better than most posts in this thread.

Reading a little helps one make a fairly educated guess. I also was not there and can not say he was or was not drunk. HOWEVER, when one reads his own posts on facebook, and some of the previous stories posted HERE on MacRumors BY ARN did originally say he was having a grand old time.

Granted the source of this link can be questioned, but some of the evidence coming from the Engineers own facebook account can validate some of it.
http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone.

Also doing a little research does wonders: http://www.gourmethausstaudt.com/
This is a "BEER GARDEN", German Specialty Store and "German Beer School"

Again, although this is not "proof" that he was "drunk" it is proof that he knew where he was going, to celebrate a birthday, with the intent to consume alcohol. With this in mind, being a responsible, trusted engineer with a top secret, classified, trade secret loaded device that is "invaluable" The enginerr was not responsible in his actions and was NOT "testing" this device at his little celebration. He is therefore partly responsible for losing the stupid phone.

AND @ jb1280, I DID NOT and STATE SO AGAIN, condone the actions or support any of the actions of those individuals that took the prototype and the actions that occurred after the loss of the device. I am only "discussing" the irresponsible actions of the Engineer and that he is just as guilty and irresponsible as the rest of them.

 

[jb1280]

If his bad got jostled and he didn't realize that the phone had fallen out I think that's much different than finding the phone and choosing to sell it to gizmodo rather than send it back to it's rightful owner. You just can't equate those two scenarios.

Yeah, the fact that the guy went home with the phone leads me to think he had some intention of not returning to the rightful owner. In 2010, finding a lost iPhone in a restaurant in the Peninsula is a little bit like finding a flip phone in a bar in 2003 - nothing special. Leave it with the bartender or a server, go home, forget about it.

This whole story proves that reality is way more entertaining than fiction. Just try to write a story about a guy who lifts an iPhone 3GS from an establishment; takes it home and finds that it is a prerelease phone; calls his buddy who has a couple misdemeanor warrants on him to help scuttle evidence after he sells it to a tabloid subsidiary.

 

[AtlasBoy]

I wonder if apple tried to kill 3 birds with one stone here....

1. 'out' a possible snitch in apple... Gray Powell
2. have gawker and gizmodo setup to take a mighty fall and be exposed as hack rumor journos by not resisting publishing the 4thgen secret bits and at the same time maybe break some laws
3. free advertising for apple, but release something totally different on the day

Is it feasible to believe that apple had suspicions over Gray, wanted to see the 'leak' trail, kill off a rumour site and spook every competitor into a false direction?

hmm

Oh my. I hope you were TRYING to be funny or something. Do you get out much?

Chen and Hogan will NOT be charged!

This is Apple's evil plan of ripping the free benefits of the press and free advertising. Apple is playing along like they're dumbfounded until the last minute and decides to drop all charges. I have no doubt this is exactly Apple's plan.

Charging these two good Samaritans will only mislead other companies to file charges against anyone that found their products. This also lead people to behave like Apple (a secret org) when they found something. Normally, we want to encourage good behavior by returning something we found. But if we found something and get a lawsuit, we aren't going to return anything. Don't you guys see that this case is (or was) an honest lost and found case and played out by Apple. Apple being the director.

I understand that you're suppose not to sell trade secrets or buy, but if you found it. You didn't commit a crime. If an employee at Apple told Chen that he downloaded the codes for iPhone OS and want to sell it for $5million, then there's a problem.

But if you found the codes in a bar, its your to keep or return as long as you don't produce or infringe on their copyrighted material.

Let's see Apple go after the Vietnamese since their leaked iphone looks more like a ready-to-sell.

Case and point. This one guy found Dr.Pepper's secret formula. Dr.Pepper didn't file charge against him. Google Dr.Pepper's secret formula and you'll know.

If this is how you think things work, please tell me you don't work for any company I own stock in.

Or maybe he would have handed it in, apple would still contact the police and be charged with steeling, considering apple has its own little police force something companies don't see to have in other places, why would anyone think it still would not have involved the police.

Sure that special division is not only for apple but seem to be for a small nitch area considering how many billion is california in the hole.

Please show me proof to Apples "police force". The police that investigated this are in place exactly for this type of crime. Having worked for a company in Silicon Valley that had trade secrets stolen, I know how much damage it can cause. The companies located in this area are very serious about protecting themselves. As for the "small nitch area" I suggest you read up on the positive impact the companies in Silicon Valley have on the California economy. If they (Apple or any other company) lose significant sales it can impact the 30+ MLLION people who live in California. Do you have ANY idea how much Apple generates in sales taxes?

wow, that's a lot of information. definitely should block out the personal information in those documents though...

This information is public record. Anyone can access it.

I am absolutely convinced a large portion of the people posting in this thread are 9-10 years old. Their next stop after posting here is their Facebook page to post about how Mary Jane kissed Tommy during recess.

Mark

+1

Hmmm, I am really curious as to what type of evaluation and quality of testing a drunk can provide???

Sorry, dont buy the taking a invaluable prototype to a birthday celebration involving alcohol and the sad story I see many posting about field testing.

I would never trust or use a drunks review of a product in that type of environment...Give me a break

Please tell me how you know he was drunk. Also would like to know your experience with field testing methodologies.

So if I use bad judgment and leave my car running while I get out to get a newspaper and someone jumps in a steals it, it my fault? Poor judgment on my part is not a crime. Stealing is.

 

[Speedy2]

Again, although this is not "proof" that he was "drunk" it is proof that he knew where he was going, to celebrate a birthday, with the intent to consume alcohol.

I love how people are so full of hyper-moral in their scenarios. OF COURSE, you would NEVER have a single beer while field testing a phone. I TOTALLY believe you.

 

[Mark Booth]

I would like ANYONE to show me evidence or even a confirmed story that Mr. Powell was drunk. In Gizmodo's story, they made reference to a "random drunk guy" but that was supposedly the guy that handed the phone to Brian Hogan. Surely none of you think that person was Mr. Powell?

Again... all you folks that keep stating that Mr. Powell was drunk, show me your proof!!

Maybe all of YOU go to bars with no other objective than to get stupid drunk. But me and my friends, we can sit in a bar for a few hours and have maybe 3 beers (over a couple of hours) and not remotely be even close to drunk (though, we still do not drive afterwards).

Come on all you experts on being drunk. Show me your proof that Mr. Powell was drunk. He was in there with his uncle, not with a whole room full of friends like so many of you ASSumed from the get go!

Too many of you drunks are projecting YOUR habits on Mr. Powell.

Mark

 

[cvaldes]

This will make a good Borne movie.

Yeah, right.

An engineer having a beer with his uncle at a German restaurant in Redwood City, CA. A mouth-breathing student selling a small box to a rotund tech editor living in Fremont, CA. San Mateo County Sheriff's deputy.

The only upside is the female roommate. They can cast someone hot for her five minutes of screen time.

 

[Atkins]

Reading a little helps one make a fairly educated guess. I also was not there and can not say he was or was not drunk. HOWEVER, when one reads his own posts on facebook, and some of the previous stories posted HERE on MacRumors BY ARN did originally say he was having a grand old time.
(...)
Again, although this is not "proof" that he was "drunk" it is proof that he knew where he was going, to celebrate a birthday, with the intent to consume alcohol. With this in mind, being a responsible, trusted engineer with a top secret, classified, trade secret loaded device that is "invaluable" The enginerr was not responsible in his actions and was NOT "testing" this device at his little celebration. He is therefore partly responsible for losing the stupid phone.
(...)
I am only "discussing" the irresponsible actions of the Engineer and that he is just as guilty and irresponsible as the rest of them.

I don't get your educated guess. I read the articles too. The Beer Garden closes at 10PM - great party. You say he knew where he was going - this is more of an argument against your assumption of him being drunk (the Facebook posts are pretty much innocent and without errors). Also the fact that he is an engineer and working for Apple at age 27 and is also given the responsibility of the device, it sounds like a guy who won't get drunk before 10PM. In fact if we really make an educated guess, it would be that he wasn't drunk.
And I couldn't disagree more with your last sentence - it is one thing to be irresponsible (which I don't think he was) and another to steal and vandalize (intention).

 

[Mal67]

Hmmm, I am really curious as to what type of evaluation and quality of testing a drunk can provide???

Sorry, dont buy the taking a invaluable prototype to a birthday celebration involving alcohol and the sad story I see many posting about field testing.

I would never trust or use a drunks review of a product in that type of environment...Give me a break

I would imagine there are lots and lots of places individuals carry their phones to as part of their daily activities and fair enough too The field tester just happened to be carrying his phone to one such place and happened to be unlucky enough to lose it. The fact that he lost it in a bar is irrelevant as it could just have easily fallen out of his bag anywhere along his route or inadvertently been put somewhere and forgotten to be picked up. It happens. The one test that has really been put to the test here is the one where someone hands into the authorities an item of lost property. By the way have you heard the one about a man who walks into a bar to catch up with some friends and orders a large coke Cheers

 

[AtlasBoy]

Again, although this is not "proof" that he was "drunk" it is proof that he knew where he was going, to celebrate a birthday, with the intent to consume alcohol. With this in mind, being a responsible, trusted engineer with a top secret, classified, trade secret loaded device that is "invaluable" The enginerr was not responsible in his actions and was NOT "testing" this device at his little celebration. He is therefore partly responsible for losing the stupid phone.

AND @ jb1280, I DID NOT and STATE SO AGAIN, condone the actions or support any of the actions of those individuals that took the prototype and the actions that occurred after the loss of the device. I am only "discussing" the irresponsible actions of the Engineer and that he is just as guilty and irresponsible as the rest of them.

How do you know he had the "intent to consume alcohol?" I have several friends who do not drink at all and still go to bars for social events (like birthdays). I don't know what happened in the restaurant that night because I was not there, I'm just pointing out that just because you are somewhere that serves alcohol does not mean you’re impaired. I agree with you that Gray was at least "partly responsible" for losing the phone but THAT IS NOT A CRIME. Just because he lost it does not give anyone the right to steal it, sale it, and take it apart.

 

[SFC Archer]

I would like ANYONE to show me evidence or even a confirmed story that Mr. Powell was drunk. In Gizmodo's story, they made reference to a "random drunk guy" but that was supposedly the guy that handed the phone to Brian Hogan. Surely none of you think that person was Mr. Powell?

Again... all you folks that keep stating that Mr. Powell was drunk, show me your proof!!

Maybe all of YOU go to bars with no other objective than to get stupid drunk. But me and my friends, we can sit in a bar for a few hours and have maybe 3 beers (over a couple of hours) and not remotely be even close to drunk (though, we still do not drive afterwards).

Come on all you experts on being drunk. Show me your proof that Mr. Powell was drunk. He was in there with his uncle, not with a whole room full of friends like so many of you ASSumed from the get go!

Too many of you drunks are projecting YOUR habits on Mr. Powell.

Mark

On the night of March 18, he was enjoying the fine imported ales at Gourmet Haus Staudt, a nice German beer garden in Redwood City, California. He was happy. The place was great. The beer was excellent. “I underestimated how good German beer is,” he typed into the next-generation iPhone he was testing on the field, cleverly disguised as an iPhone 3GS. It was his last Facebook update from the secret iPhone. It was the last time he ever saw the iPhone, right before he abandoned it on bar stool, leaving to go home.
via Gizmodo

This was taken from his own facebook page. Again, it is NOT proof but there is enough evidence to support that he was drinking German beer which is known to be pretty potent. His own words on facebook, the fact he was at a beer garden, celebrating a birthday are not facts but can lead one to assume that he was drinking and drinking German beer in a two hour period is enough to put you over the legal limit although he may not have been drunk due to habits, body weight etc. Just go by the words he typed on his own account is enough in itself.

 

[pdjudd]

Again, it is NOT proof but there is enough evidence to support that he was drinking German beer which is known to be pretty potent. His own words on facebook, the fact he was at a beer garden, celebrating a birthday are not facts but can lead one to assume that he was drinking and drinking German beer in a two hour period is enough to put you over the legal limit although he may not have been drunk due to habits, body weight etc. Just go by the words he typed on his own account is enough in itself.

At most you can only infer that he had one beer. We don't even know how much that one beer was or how potent it was. Also we have other sources that the phone was not left on a stool, but rather placed in a bag that was tipped over. There is no way you can assume that he was "drinking and drinking"

We also knew that he was driving afterward - that is evidence that he probably was not drunk. Its very possible that he could have had one beer with dinner. I can do that in a one to two hour period if I am socializing with someone. And I can still drive afterward. And that assumption doesn't go against the facebook posting.

 

[SFC Archer]

How do you know he had the "intent to consume alcohol?" I have several friends who do not drink at all and still go to bars for social events (like birthdays). I don't know what happened in the restaurant that night because I was not there, I'm just pointing out that just because you are somewhere that serves alcohol does not mean you’re impaired. I agree with you that Gray was at least "partly responsible" for losing the phone but THAT IS NOT A CRIME. Just because he lost it does not give anyone the right to steal it, sale it, and take it apart.

I do agree with you and no where in my posts did I say he committed a crime. I am just pointing out that in my opinion, which I have a right to post here, he is just as irresponsible as all of the other characters in this game. I did NOT say he should be charged with a crime or that he should be sued or anything bad should happen to him. I am only pointing out that he is not the perfect good little engineer that all are painting him to be. He made a bad judgment call, was not responsible with the level of trust he was given and did not properly secure such a highly touted trade secret.

Any soldier in the Army that loses a sensitive item or leaves it properly unsecured is punished severely with Article 15's to Court Martial and loss of rank depending on the item lost. These sensitive items could be weapons, night vision devices, radios, code books, maps, and the list goes on and on. These individuals are not even drinking but are punished because of the potential security ramifications it could lead to if one of these devices fell into the wrong hands. Apple is treating this prototype in the same manner as the Army does it sensitive items...thus is my opinion that the Engineer is just as responsible and negligent as a soldier who loses a same type of item as far as Apple is touting it being a secret device.

 

[mccldwll]

First of all @mccldwll...I am not a teenager...I have served my country for 25 years so quit assuming what you know nothing about! Second, you were not there and do not know WHAT his inebriation status was. If you read all 22 pages of the case then you would know that it occured over a 3 friggin week period. You think the engineer is going to admit he was driving drunk 3 weeks previous...GIVE ME A BREAK!

Lastly...If such a trusted and responsible Engineer is field testing a product then how does he do it from the product BEING IN A BAG ON THE FLOOR, UNSECURE, AT HIS FEET??? That it MIGHT have been knocked over was "casually" mentioned. That such a valuable prototype was left UNSECURE while he went to the bathroom???

Again, I am NOT supporting the actions or condoning any of the actions taken by the other individuals involved. What I am stating is that this Engineer is JUST as responsible and therefore LIABLE as anyone else. IT IS HIS fault and LACK of RESPONSIBLE JUDGMENT that started this whole mess in the first place. And this comes from his own words in the case. Being drunk or not, he still used poor judgment and did not properly secure or protect a very sensitive item.

Stop wrapping yourself in the Flag and deal with the facts at hand. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Powell had too much to drink. Nothing. And nothing to even suggest that a lack of responsible judgement on his part. Sometimes things go wrong, even with no fault. Giz and crew can't say the same thing. You're just being an apologist for criminals by claiming that Powell equally liable. The roommate understood that. Why can't you? And, as I said earlier:
"Powell did nothing wrong. He was out with his uncle on his birthday. No excessive drinking. Now I wouldn't carry my phone in a backpack, but he apparently does, and so do many others. Possibly that's one of the reasons he was a field tester. And that's the entire idea behind field testing--to see how products perform and survive under everyday, normal use conditions. Not gentle treatment. Normal use. Maybe even abusive normal use. And while everyone, in hindsight, would have checked to make sure phone was in backpack, mistakes happen. He may have been using prototypes for the past several months, without incident. At that stage, it was just his phone. Powell did absolutely nothing wrong."

 

[koach]

For someone with a family full of lawyers, you don't seem to know what you're talking about.

Your arguing that Apple has "big role" in laying charges and implying that they are directing events to a large degree, but then admit yourself at the end that the only sway they have is the decision to back out of laying charges if they so choose.

Well you are right (on that second point), in that this is the only control they have. Apple can indeed decide not to press charges, and 90% of the time the DA will follow suit, but that's it. The implication you seem to be pushing, (that Apple is "in control" or guiding the investigation in some way or has some sway over the police and the DA or what happens), is pure BS.

You say I don't know what I am talking about but then you agree with me.

I never said the only sway they is the decision to back out. I am arguing that the reason this is getting such attention from the police and DA is because of Apple's influence. Money talks when it comes to the law and the legal system. I assure you they are applying a lot of pressure on this investigation.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

On the night of March 18, he was enjoying the fine imported ales at Gourmet Haus Staudt, a nice German beer garden in Redwood City, California. He was happy. The place was great. The beer was excellent. “I underestimated how good German beer is,”

and drinking German beer in a two hour period is enough to put you over the legal limit although he may not have been drunk due to habits, body weight etc. Just go by the words he typed on his own account is enough in itself.

You're reaching. ...hard.

Enjoying good beer does not mean sloppy drunk.

 

[SFC Archer]

At most you can only infer that he had one beer. We don't even know how much that one beer was or how potent it was. Also we have other sources that the phone was not left on a stool, but rather placed in a bag that was tipped over. There is no way you can assume that he was "drinking and drinking"

We also knew that he was driving afterward - that is evidence that he probably was not drunk. Its very possible that he could have had one beer with dinner. I can do that in a one to two hour period if I am socializing with someone. And I can still drive afterward. And that assumption doesn't go against the facebook posting.

And how many people are killed yearly by drunk drivers who said they were not drunk or I only had one beer or are 17, 20, 30, 40, 50 or 60 years old? Driving afterwards is NOT "evidence" that he was "probably" not drunk. It just proves that he could have done what 100's of drunk drivers do every single day that kill people.

Just cause he was driving afterward is no PROOF that he was not intoxicated to some level. Why would someone post “I underestimated how good German beer is,” on a social site if they were not trying to say something along the lines of...wow, that is some potent stuff and it snuck up on me?

 

[shandyman]

On the night of March 18, he was enjoying the fine imported ales at Gourmet Haus Staudt, a nice German beer garden in Redwood City, California. He was happy. The place was great. The beer was excellent. “I underestimated how good German beer is,” he typed into the next-generation iPhone he was testing on the field, cleverly disguised as an iPhone 3GS. It was his last Facebook update from the secret iPhone. It was the last time he ever saw the iPhone, right before he abandoned it on bar stool, leaving to go home.
via Gizmodo

This was taken from his own facebook page. Again, it is NOT proof but there is enough evidence to support that he was drinking German beer which is known to be pretty potent. His own words on facebook, the fact he was at a beer garden, celebrating a birthday are not facts but can lead one to assume that he was drinking and drinking German beer in a two hour period is enough to put you over the legal limit although he may not have been drunk due to habits, body weight etc. Just go by the words he typed on his own account is enough in itself.

just cos he posted on facebook about forgetting how good german beer was doesn't mean he was drunk, knowing he posted that and knowing he was with his uncle and driving, any reasonable person would think he had just the one. your opinion is based on you not having all the facts and isn't someone innocent until proven guilty?

as stated, he's still working for apple, if they thought he was at fault, they woulda sacked him for losing it. simple as.

 

[pdjudd]

And how many people are killed yearly by drunk drivers who said they were not drunk or I only had one beer or are 17, 20, 30, 40, 50 or 60 years old? Driving afterwards is NOT "evidence" that he was "probably" not drunk. It just proves that he could have done what 100's of drunk drivers do every single day that kill people.

Just cause he was driving afterward is no PROOF that he was not intoxicated to some level. Why would someone post “I underestimated how good German beer is,” on a social site if they were not trying to say something along the lines of...wow, that is some potent stuff and it snuck up on me?

People can be killed in accidents when they are dead sober. Since a car accident didn't occur that night, any discussion of drunk driving is irrelivent - unless you have proof that he was legally drunk we have to assume that he was not and well under the limit. End of story. Lets not assume he was drunk unless you have solid proof that he was.

 

[Atkins]

(...)He made a bad judgment call, was not responsible with the level of trust he was given and did not properly secure such a highly touted trade secret.
Any soldier in the Army that loses a sensitive item or leaves it properly unsecured is punished severely with Article 15's to Court Martial and loss of rank depending on the item lost. These sensitive items could be weapons, night vision devices, radios, code books, maps, and the list goes on and on. These individuals are not even drinking but are punished because of the potential security ramifications it could lead to if one of these devices fell into the wrong hands. Apple is treating this prototype in the same manner as the Army does it sensitive items...thus is my opinion that the Engineer is just as responsible and negligent as a soldier who loses a same type of item as far as Apple is touting it being a secret device.

That's what I thought - you are comparing him to a soldier, given your background in the military. I, in fact, normally have the same train of thoughts, but normal people do not work like that. You can't expect from an engineer to act with the same discipline and discernment as a soldier.

 

[SFC Archer]

Stop wrapping yourself in the Flag and deal with the facts at hand. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Powell had too much to drink. Nothing. And nothing to even suggest that a lack of responsible judgement on his part. Sometimes things go wrong, even with no fault. Giz and crew can't say the same thing. You're just being an apologist for criminals by claiming that Powell equally liable. The roommate understood that. Why can't you? And, as I said earlier:
"Powell did nothing wrong. He was out with his uncle on his birthday. No excessive drinking. Now I wouldn't carry my phone in a backpack, but he apparently does, and so do many others. Possibly that's one of the reasons he was a field tester. And that's the entire idea behind field testing--to see how products perform and survive under everyday, normal use conditions. Not gentle treatment. Normal use. Maybe even abusive normal use. And while everyone, in hindsight, would have checked to make sure phone was in backpack, mistakes happen. He may have been using prototypes for the past several months, without incident. At that stage, it was just his phone. Powell did absolutely nothing wrong."

Do you even read??? I have stated over and over again that I do NOT CONDONE the actions of anyone else in this case. If and when the other parties are charged with a crime and IF they are found guilty in a court of law...NOT MACRUMORS...then they deserve any punishment that is ordered by that court of law.

I also stated that because of his actions that in part he is also responsible for the loss of his phone. And there is plenty of evidence out there if you just research, google and read. I have given plenty of evidence and links to support "MY OPINION" and yours come from?

 

[shandyman]

*snip*

Just cause he was driving afterward is no PROOF that he was not intoxicated to some level. Why would someone post “I underestimated how good German beer is,” on a social site if they were not trying to say something along the lines of...wow, that is some potent stuff and it snuck up on me?

or he could be saying, that tastes nicer than i remembered... nothing do to with it being potent..... you're reaching a bit too hard there...