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Details on Upcoming Amber Lake Chips Appropriate for 2018 MacBook Leak
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Carrying a laptop bag from a venue to hotel when there is no cab or too close to justify the expense, waiting in line at TSA checkpoints, waiting to board, waiting to debark, standing in a "shuttle" (SFO), waiting to check-in at the hotel, waiting in the terminal when there isn't enough time to sit down, but just enough time to choke down a meal in the food court. Yes, the ounces and pounds add up, year after year, mile after mile.
Its called empathy, you might want to try it some time.
Very interested in how they market the consumer notebooks. 12” MacBook maintaining its $1,299 starting price with this weird 13” MacBook Semi-Pro SKU also starting at the same price has been very awkward. Cleanest thing to do is replace the Air with a $999 starting price for the 12” and have a 13” or 14” step-up MacBook (no Pro branding) at $1,299 with two ports and BTO options just fill the price gap up to the 13” MBP.
But what about when you need to go outdoors in the winter? Do you wear a short sleeve t and forego the wool coat?
What about a business meeting? Do you skip the tie and blazer and undershirt because they add a pound and a half?
Do I need to empathize with a person who suffers because he HAS to wear clothing by law since it adds an extra 4 or 5 or 6 lbs?
Are there documented health problems including emotional suffering from lack of empathy amongst those who carry 5 or 7 or 8 lbs laptops, not including the weight of the pack itself or peripherals?
Conversely, do we see a reduction in documented health problems now that very lightweight laptops are widely available?
For me, the weight of a half full water bottle (10-12 oz) is worth it on a hot day so I generally carry water with me most days. Can I file suit against camelbak for it's 90 oz bladders? That's at least an extra 6 lbs with the pack itself.
Some people are taking the concept of 'suffering' to absurd and bizarre new levels.
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Thank you for the correction and the refocus...but the continual wailing about dongles, how unreliable they are, etc. is just old and busted. Yes, one port is inconvenient, I do not own a MacBook for precisely that reason, despite admiring its size and weight, but several docks are now available and most cables you might need to connect a MacBook to a USB 3.0 device are now readily available for purchase (if not included in the box) and the total of those cables come nowhere close to hundreds of dollars.
My hope is that Apple is able to include at least a single Thunderbolt 3 port in any 2018 MacBook, which would open up a new world of possibilities with TB3 docks that users can take advantage of and increase the versatility of the MacBook. It seems to have a pretty passionate fanbase, judging by some of the comments in this thread.
Oh my gosh this thread has been hijacked into another ports related MBP vs MB discussion...
‘Keep it tight, people’, as Sgt Apone once said in Aliens...
‘Keep it tight, people’, as Sgt Apone once said in Aliens...
Apple's 12-inch MacBook lineup is expected to receive a refresh in 2018, and the new machines may use Intel's upcoming 8th-generation 14nm++ Y-Series Amber Lake chips.
Details on the new chips leaked recently from Dell's Chilean site and Romanian site NextLab501, as highlighted by MacRumors forum reader EugW.
Chips appropriate for the 12-inch MacBook include the 1.1GHz Core m3-8100Y, the 1.3GHz Core i5-8200Y, and the 1.5GHz Core i7-8500Y.
Core m3-8100Y
- 1.1 GHz - Base clock
- 2.7 GHz - 2-core Turbo
- 3.4 GHz - 1-core Turbo
Core i5-8200Y
- 1.3 GHz - Base clock
- 3.2 GHz - 2-core Turbo
- 3.9 GHz - 1-core Turbo
Core i7-8500Y
- 1.5 GHz - Base clock
- 3.6 GHz - 2-core Turbo
- 4.2 GHz - 1-core Turbo
Maximum clock speeds for the new Amber Lake chips suggest significant improvement in processor speeds over the 7th-generation Kaby Lake processors. For comparison's sake, Turbo Boost topped out at 3.0GHz on the 1.2GHz entry-level processor, 3.2GHz on the mid-level 1.3GHz processor, and 3.6GHz on the 1.4GHz high-end chip option in the previous-generation machines.
All of the chips use Intel's UHD 620 integrated graphics and are expected to be released in the third quarter of 2018, with the timing perfect for a fall refresh of the 12-inch MacBook.
Dell's upcoming and as-of-yet-unannounced XPS 13 2-in-1 machine confirms the existence of the Core i5-8200Y and Core i7-8500Y processors, both of which are listed as processor options for the new device.
Intel first announced its upcoming Amber Lake chips at Computex, but thus far has not provided official info on the upcoming processors.
Rumors have not indicated when updates to the 12-inch MacBook will be available, but Apple could introduce refreshed machines alongside new iPhones in September, hold an event in October, or release them on a random date as it did with the recent MacBook Pro.
The recent launch of the MacBook Pro also hints at one new feature we could potentially be seeing in new 12-inch MacBook models aside from processor upgrades -- a third-generation butterfly keyboard.
2015 and later 12-inch MacBook models have suffered from the same issues with keyboard failures, so it would make sense for Apple to include an updated keyboard in those machines as well, if, as speculated, the "quieter" third-generation MacBook Pro butterfly keyboard's new silicone coverings do indeed prevent dust from infiltrating the keys.
Article Link: Details on Upcoming Amber Lake Chips Appropriate for 2018 MacBook Leak
Great spot by @EugW
The Romanian site linked in the story has a table that shows the Amber Lake Y CPUs with Intel UHD615 graphics though. It's the 15w CPUs - with the i5 dubbed i5-8265U - that come with UHD 620 graphics and these should in theory come into the MBA replacement. This would be broadly in line with the CPUs and their iGPUs in current use across the Apple range.
A few takeaways from this:
Apple could use native USB-C 3.1 Gen 2 ports (10Gb/s - double the classic USB3 speed) with the 300 series Intel chipset that would be required to drive the Amber Lake Y CPUs. If they put 2 into the 12" MacBook and created a 128Gb base SKU it could become a decent entry level machine with the faster ports.
I'll assume the 3rd generation keyboard will be making its way onto the MacBook in due course but adding a Thunderbolt 3 controller at the same time would make the MacBook a very attractive proposition.
Dell offer a 3200x1800 display on their Amber Lake Y machine whereas the 12" MacBook screen comes in at a fraction of the resolution. Even if you compare size for size, this dwarfs even the 2560x1600 screen resolution of a 13" Retina MacBook Pro which Apple drive with Iris Graphics 15w CPUs. Clearly Apple have battery life and GPU performance considerations to adhere to.
The Whiskey Lake U CPUs lack the Iris Graphics that would have gone into a like-for-like replacement non touch bar MacBook Pro and it now looks increasingly unlikely that such an SKU will be available to Apple. For me, that's another sign that there is no replacement CPU for that model in the pipeline.
Instead, the cheaper CPU could drop into the Retina Macbook 13" - the MBA replacement - leaving Apple with a conundrum as to what ports to add to this next machine which is allowed to have softer specs by dropping the 'Pro' moniker. They could go with combinations of the following:
a. 2 USB-C (Gen 2) ports assuming the 12" rMB stays with 1 port
b. 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports like on the nTB MBP - if the 12" rMB gets upgraded to Thunderbolt 3
c. 4 USB-C (Gen 2) ports assuming the 12" rMB goes with 2 ports
d. 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports (with the right most pair on half speed due to the CPU only having 12 PCIe lanes)
Any argument for extra ports would be because the Air had extra ports so dropping down to just 2, especially losing Thunderbolt, would be harsh even if it allowed Apple to hit a price point. It wouldn't be surprising though.
I was able to travel with the 12" MacBook and my iPhone with just a single iPad charger, since the 12" MacBook can charge (albeit somewhat slowly) with a 12 Watt iPad charger.
For example, one problem, at least with current models:
Having 2 USB-C ports would solve this problem. For me though, the 2 USB-C would just be way more convenient overall because I'd almost never need to carry a dongle. One port would be for charging, and one would be for peripherals.
As mentioned before, ironically the MacBook actually has two ports. It's just that one of them is a headphone jack. Personally I'd be fine if they removed the headphone jack and replaced it with a second USB-C port. You can dongle-convert a USB jack to a headphone jack, but you can't easily convert a headphone jack to a USB-C port (although they did that with the iPod shuffle). And I use Bluetooth AirPods anyway.
Stop with these pointless posts. The same arguments were made 10 years ago when the MacBook Air came out. Now, the 13" Pro weighs the same as the the 13" Air, and most of the high end Windows business market has gone this direction too. Obviously lighter weight sells, and for good reason.
I'd be happy enough with two USB-C ports.
For example, one problem, at least with current models:
If the dongle supports both 4K HDMI and USB 3, then the 4K will only support 30 Hz. There is no such thing as a 4K HDMI 60 Hz dongle with USB 3. It's either 4K p60 with USB 2 (and these are hard to find) or else 4K p30 with USB 3. This doesn't really affect me since I have a 5K iMac, but it's stupid nonetheless. Similarly, if you get a 4K 60 Hz external monitor, the built-in ports will only work at USB 2 speeds.
Having 2 USB-C ports would solve this problem. For me though, the 2 USB-C would just be way more convenient overall because I'd almost never need to carry a dongle. One port would be for charging, and one would be for peripherals.
As mentioned before, ironically the MacBook actually has two ports. It's just that one of them is a headphone jack. Personally I'd be fine if they removed the headphone jack and replaced it with a second USB-C port. You can dongle-convert a USB jack to a headphone jack, but you can't easily convert a headphone jack to a USB-C port (although they did that with the iPod shuffle). And I use Bluetooth AirPods anyway.
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They were supposed to be but Intel being Intel, we'll have to wait longer than expected for that.
Similarly, 'Whiskey Lake' will be the still 14nm 9th gen U-series CPUs.
OK, so you've gone from having to file for medical disability to "it's a successful sales ploy."
And why are you citing the mbp as an example of light weight when 5 minutes ago you claimed it's weight was crippling? Begging for empathy and accusing me of a hate crime and such. So over the top and ridiculous lol.
And why are you citing the mbp as an example of light weight when 5 minutes ago you claimed it's weight was crippling? Begging for empathy and accusing me of a hate crime and such. So over the top and ridiculous lol.
I love seeing so many Mac articles! It's a nice change and an exciting read. Looking forward to a few more if the desktop lineup gets some updates.
Some people want the Pro features, so they need to compromise a bit on the weight.
I don't need the Pro features so I much prefer lighter, as it's way more portable and as mentioned, much more pleasant to carry around. Weight matters. But as mentioned several times already, I also really value the small footprint. Even the 13" I find awkward. (I still have an older model 13".)
Indeed.
Actually, Cannon Lake was supposed to be 7th generation.
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Yes. Good to see so many articles.
Hopefully, there will be more info about the updates soon.
Even the rumored MBA's successor model. Or actually, this is the one?
Definitely doesn’t bode well for Ice Lake in 2019 (though intel have already more or less said it won’t be ready next year - I guess if 10nm is still in ongoing development they can’t really start on 10nm+). At this rate AMD might actually catch up in earnest, single core performance and all which has been intel’s holdfast for donkeys years...
Thanks I completely missed that - I was wondering what Apple were going to do if CNL was still vapourware until well into next year... I thought they might have made the base configuration an i5 rather than m3 (I believe the chips actually cost the same) just to do something.
Yep, here is another road warrior who gets it cause.... he lives it!
Thanks brother!
#justsayin
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Some people don't have a clue as well!
My 2011 MBP for my needs was the superior product to what Apple currently offers.
Everything Apple has for sale now fails to meet my needs.
Intel doesn't price the chips differently at retail, but you can be pretty damn sure it factors into the large volume OEM pricing.
Also, technically 10 nm is no longer vapourware. There is actually 10 nm Cannon Lake in the real world already, but it's a low volume part.
https://ark.intel.com/products/136863/Intel-Core-i3-8121U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz
BTW, there is actually supposedly another 8th generation Y chip out there, and it's Cannon Lake 10 nm. It's the Core m3-8114Y, which seems to be a weird one with a base clock of 1.5 GHz and a max dual-core Turbo of 2.2 GHz.
https://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-cannonlake-y-dual-core-igpu-processor-spotted/
P.S. It is said that TSMC is in high volume production for their 7 nm already. TSMC 7 nm is supposedly roughly in the same ballpark as Intel 10 nm. What is that chip? It's for Apple, and it's the A12 for the new iPhone.
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LOL, come on, I've been a road warrior with a 6.5+ lbs Pismo, and 5 lbs+ 2008 MacBook as well as with a 3.5 lbs 2015 MacBook Pro.
Many road warriors work well with 8 lbs laptops easily.
All day and multi day backpacking and hiking outdoorsmen are fine with 30 lbs of weight on their backs, walking all day for several days, if not weeks or months at a time. What's challenging about carrying a 3 lbs laptop waiting at an airport?
5 foot tall female police officers are wearing 6 lbs kevlar vests, that's not counting their toolbelts.
A blazer, tie and overcoat add 6 lbs in the winter.
Yet an extra pound calls for empathy? How weak have people become if they can't handle an extra pound of weight?
Many road warriors work well with 8 lbs laptops easily.
All day and multi day backpacking and hiking outdoorsmen are fine with 30 lbs of weight on their backs, walking all day for several days, if not weeks or months at a time. What's challenging about carrying a 3 lbs laptop waiting at an airport?
5 foot tall female police officers are wearing 6 lbs kevlar vests, that's not counting their toolbelts.
A blazer, tie and overcoat add 6 lbs in the winter.
Yet an extra pound calls for empathy? How weak have people become if they can't handle an extra pound of weight?
I have serious doubts Intel are about to ship 10nm in anything resembling volume. More importantly Charlie Demerjian does, and he's plugged in and rarely wrong.
https://semiaccurate.com/2018/06/29...rian-krzanich-is-a-cover-for-deeper-problems/