New Macbook in 2018?

Discussion in 'MacBook' started by coquemessa, Jan 2, 2018.

  1. EugW macrumors 603

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    The 13" quad core MacBook Pro will blow it out of the water. Not even in the same league.
     
  2. Dave245 macrumors 604

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    I thought as much, I’m guessing the screen technology alone would be killer compared to the none retina on my 2011.
     
  3. BODYBUILDERPAUL macrumors 65816

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    Yes I agree Dave. Only £400 extra for the 512GB MacBook Pro TB compared to the MacBook i5 - Surely the MacBook is super outpaced by around 15-20%? But then, £1950 is a hell of a lot of money - in 2011 didn't the 500GB MacBook Pro cost £1000??? I remember at one time, electrical things used to get cheaper to buy as the years went by. Apple have the 'courage' to do the opposite and double the price. Sadly, I really don't think that i could ever spend as much as £1950 on a computer - especially when I know that i'd need to replace it every 5 years or so.
     
  4. waquzy macrumors 6502a

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    Well it depends what you need it for, if you want a super portable, great screen, fanless, excellent speakers and save £400 quid then you should definitely go for the 12" MacBook. £400 is a lot of money. i5 Macbook would be able to handle most things without a problem anyways. I just don't get why ppl are so overly obsessed with specs. If you want more ports, desperate for more speed and an inch bigger screen go for the Pro.
     
  5. Quddy macrumors member

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    All I want is a 12" MacBook with at least one Thunderbolt 3 port. I would upgrade even if nothing else changes. Please make it happen Apple, somehow...
     
  6. opeepingtomo macrumors regular

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    Any chance there will be MacBook deals on Prime Day?
     
  7. PickUrPoison macrumors 68030

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    The current generation CPUs used in the MB don’t have built-in TB3 support, so Apple would have to use the Alpine Ridge controller chip to enable TB3.

    But when Intel releases updated Y-series CPUs, they will support TB3 natively. So I’m 95% sure Apple will upgrade the ports with the next refresh, though I’m not sure if Intel will be shipping the CPUs later this year or 2019.
     
  8. EugW macrumors 603

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    The next generation Y series is Amber Lake Y, but my understanding is that the chipset does not include TB3 support built-in either.

    https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_m/m3-8114y#Features

    As far as I can see, AML-Y is just KBL-Y rehashed on an improved process to increase performance, but otherwise it is pretty much identical.
     
  9. radiologyman macrumors 6502a

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    I own 3 MacBooks and owned one more before. MacBook 12 is quite capable for regular usage and so convenient that I don't use other ones or my desktop PCs anymore.
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    I think Ice Lake supposed to get it but Intel keeps pushing back release date due to manufacturing issues, now promised in 2019
     
  10. EugW macrumors 603

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    Yes, I think the other poster was thinking of Ice Lake Y, which is supposed to get Thunderbolt 3. However, Ice Lake is no longer the next generation after Kaby Lake Y.

    Intel has inserted a new series, which is Amber Lake Y.
     
  11. Ma2k5 macrumors 68020

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    Well looks like the web cam will not get upgraded seeing as the pro line didn’t change theirs...

    So here’s hoping for gen 3 butterfly keyboard, P3 TT Screen and I think there isn’t much else really left to add?

    TB3 maybe but again, I don’t know how much use i’d get out of it.
     
  12. PickUrPoison macrumors 68030

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    So whatever happened to Cannon Lake Y? All last year it was said we wouldn’t get U or H but at least Cannon Lake would give us Y-series, and in 2018.

    Now there has just been one lousy processor released that doesn’t even have an iGPU, and performs worse than 14nm++. Is that all the Cannon Lake Y that can be expected? Maybe if Ice Lake slips to 2020 we’ll get Cannon Lake Y with LPDDR4 CPUs that will be appropriate for the MB?

    I suppose Amber Lake will be this year’s MB refresh.
     
  13. navaira macrumors 68040

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    Does the Pro also have a 480p camera?!
     
  14. Ma2k5 macrumors 68020

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    No, a 720p, but if they aren't upgrading it for the Pro it might be they don't for the MacBook (but I guess if they bumped it to 720p that would be welcome).

    The iMac Pro currently has the 1080p FaceTime camera's, I really wish they implemented this across the board.
     
  15. EugW macrumors 603

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    Here are the new Amber Lake Y chips that would go into the new 2018 MacBook:

    https://next.lab501.ro/notebook/pro...xplicativ-de-la-kaby-lake-r-la-whiskey-lake/6

    Core m3-8100Y
    1.1 GHz - Base clock
    2.7 GHz - 2-core Turbo
    3.4 GHz - 1-core Turbo

    Core i5-8200Y
    1.3 GHz - Base clock
    3.2 GHz - 2-core Turbo
    3.9 GHz - 1-core Turbo

    Core i7-8500Y
    1.5 GHz - Base clock
    3.6 GHz - 2-core Turbo
    4.2 GHz - 1-core Turbo

    So it looks like there is much more of a difference between the various models this year. If I were buying in 2018, I'd get at least the i5, and maybe even the i7.

    And to prove they aren't just vapourware, Dell already is selling the i5 and i7.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/xps-13-2-in-1-amber-lake-leak,37471.html
    http://www.dell.com/cl/partner/p/xps-13-9365-2-in-1-laptop/pd

    Capture.PNG

    They're so new, they didn't even have time to translate the new 8th gen descriptions into Spanish. :p
     
  16. navaira macrumors 68040

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    Put the third gen keyboard in it and my body is ready (not sure about my wallet).
     
  17. EugW, Jul 17, 2018
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    EugW macrumors 603

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    For comparison, here are the 7th Generation Kaby Kaby Lake Y chips (although Apple uses TDPup with a higher base clockspeed):

    Core m3-7Y30 (not used in Macs)
    1.0 GHz - Base clock
    2.6 GHz - 1-core Turbo
    ??? GHz - 2-core Turbo

    Core m3-7Y32
    1.1 GHz - Base clock
    3.0 GHz - 1-core Turbo
    ??? GHz - 2-core Turbo

    Core i5-7Y54
    1.2 GHz - Base clock
    3.2 GHz - 1-core Turbo
    2.8 GHz - 2-core Turbo

    Core i5-7Y57 (not used in Macs)
    1.2 GHz - Base clock
    3.3 GHz - 1-core Turbo
    2.9 GHz - 2-core Turbo

    Core i7-7Y75
    1.3 GHz - Base clock
    3.6 GHz - 1-core Turbo
    3.4 GHz - 2-core Turbo

    IIRC, in our YES tests, the Core m3-7Y32 maxed out at 2.6 GHz dual-core. But then again, so did the i5 and i7 so I'm not sure how to take that.
     
  18. apiro macrumors regular

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    What's interesting is that Dell website lists Thunderbolt 3 port. Have they used a separate controller for it or does it mean Amber Lake Y will include one?
     
  19. EugW macrumors 603

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    My bet is on separate controller.
     
  20. PickUrPoison macrumors 68030

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    Last year’s model also had TB3 so they must have been using a separate controller chip then.

    Amber Lake has not been rumored to be anything other than a change in the process node from 14nm+ to 14nm++. It’s a nice improvement for these chips though.
     
  21. Elwe macrumors regular

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    Yes, it is a separate (TB3; Alpine Ridge) controller. Of course . . . and it is just a choice . . . the weight of the device is 2.7lbs instead of 2.03.

    I know I would like TB3 on a Macbook because I would like to drive a 5k display at 60hz. Is that what most people want TB3 for on this device? Or are more people looking for a dock solution that has more throughput than USB at 5Gb/s can provide? Because a middle option enhancement that Apple could theoretically make with little change in 2018, relatively, and assuming Intel bumps up the cpu lane count in Amber Lake . . .is to move it to USB at 10Gb/s (Gen 2). This might help those of you who need more throughput in a certain way, however I am not aware of any USB monitor that can output 5k at 60hz so it would not really address my need.
     
  22. EugW macrumors 603

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    I'm not sure if this is true or not, but what I was told is that the chipset that would provide 10 Mbps USB 3.1 Gen 2 is also the chipset that provides Thunderbolt 3, so they go hand-in-hand.
     
  23. PickUrPoison macrumors 68030

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    It seems Cannon Point LP chipset should provide USB 3.1 Gen 2 since it is a 9th generation part but when does it get released?
     
  24. Elwe macrumors regular

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    Adding to what PickUrPoison wrote . . . which I think is correct, though of course Intel has not released specs on this yet . . .I believe the current (Alpine Ridge) controller is indeed what Apple is using to provide USB 3.1 Gen 2 . . . along with TB3. That is, TB3 is a superset of USB 3.1 Gen 2, so you get it by default. However, it is not the only way to get USB 3.1 Gen 2. Apple in theory could include a a separate (and less expensive than TB3) controller to do USB 3.1 Gen 2.
     
  25. apiro, Jul 17, 2018
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    Using where? in MBP or MB? The issue with the MB is that they don't have space (both PCI-e lanes and physical) for separate controller that's why we have only one USB-C 3.1 gen 1 port. Cannonlake Y was meant to include Thunderbolt 3 controller so that Apple be able to provide Thunderbolt 3 port (or even two - not sure) instead without separate controller but Cannonlake has been postponed numerous times and will likely not be released in MBs until fall 2019 at the least (IMHO most likely spring 2020). The question stands which features will be transferred to intermediate Amber Lake release - whether included Thunderbolt 3 controller will be one of them or not.
     

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