'Deus Ex: The Fall' Prevents Players With Jailbroken iOS Devices From Firing Guns

[ArmCortexA8]

This is the stupidest comment in this entire thread. Make my own? You are a moron.

I have owned 1 iPod, 3 iPhones and 3 iPads, I've jailbroken all of them when I owned them. I didn't install one single pirated app on any of them. WTF business is it of either Apple or any other dev what I do with my devices? (And no, the EULA means sweet FA when it's buried inside a shrink-wrapped box, that I've already payed for.)

If I'm not pirating on my device then Apple or software devs have no business pressuring me to remove my perfectly legal jailbreak.

I see there is a warning in the game's description about it being incompatible with JBed devices, it's halfway down in the text though. Something like this needs to be at the top of the page.

And your reply is the stupidest as well. Firstly, Im not referring to pirating and never even mentioned the word in my original post. What I am saying is that when you buy a device, you don't the device, but the software is only licensed to you as is, as there is no transfer of ownership of the software. Therefore, the software agreement / terms dictate the software cannot be modified, disassembled, reverse engineered etc.. In other words you legally agree to use the software as is without any modifications at all including Jailbreaking.

If you buy a Windows computer, you cannot run non-Windows programmes on it natively, just like when you buy a Mac computer, you cannot run a Windows programme on Mac OS X by default (not using Bootcamp) - same deal with iOS and jailbreaking. Microsoft will only allow you to run Windows applications on Windows, therefore with iOS you can only run approved Apple applications on the iOS device - pretty damn simple isn't it.

If you don't like the way the OS is designed as is, don't buy the phone - pretty simple. You want to put your own modifications on the OS, go create your own OS where you are free to do so. I will be suggesting to Apple via various means that JB devices are not supported, and will not be supported unless the Non-JB software is installed, and that JB'ing any iOS device will render the device non-upgradable via software.

Its quite simple, you don't OWN the SOFTWARE, only the hardware. Therefore breaking any EULA / Terms of Agreement is breaking the Agreement, and Contract under Contract Law, which means no support officially by Apple should be available. And those comparing this to car upgrades, need their head read, because thats hardware components, which is not relevant in this context because the hardware is yours, but the software is not.

 

[m00min]

LOL. You really ought to proof read your posts before you publish.

What I am saying is that when you buy a device, you don't the device,

I'm gonna interpret that as "you don't OWN the device" since you missed the crucial word. I absolutely do own my device. I'm not copying it and selling a knock-off. I payed for it, I'll run whatever I damn well please on it.

Therefore, the software agreement / terms dictate the software cannot be modified, disassembled, reverse engineered etc.. In other words you legally agree to use the software as is without any modifications at all including Jailbreaking.

I'll say it again in shorter words for you: I buy item; I didn't sign EULA first. EULA means stuff-all.

 

[VoR]

If you buy a Windows computer, you cannot run non-Windows programmes on it natively, just like when you buy a Mac computer, you cannot run a Windows programme on Mac OS X by default (not using Bootcamp) - same deal with iOS and jailbreaking. Microsoft will only allow you to run Windows applications on Windows, therefore with iOS you can only run approved Apple applications on the iOS device - pretty damn simple isn't it.

Microsoft aren't stopping you from doing anything, they actively support and provide some of the best tools in the industry for low level interactions with the os. Windows prevents applications that aren't written for windows from running, but I'd rather smack my head into the wall than try and explain some blindingly obvious software development requirements to refute what you said.

Not sure why I bothered, your post seems like arguing for the sake of arguing and provoking a reaction (like this ) At least I didn't bite at the rest of your points, it's hard to counter a post like yours without coming across as arrogant and offensive.

 

[mrbrown]

And your reply is the stupidest as well. Firstly, Im not referring to pirating and never even mentioned the word in my original post. What I am saying is that when you buy a device, you don't the device, but the software is only licensed to you as is, as there is no transfer of ownership of the software. Therefore, the software agreement / terms dictate the software cannot be modified, disassembled, reverse engineered etc.. In other words you legally agree to use the software as is without any modifications at all including Jailbreaking.

First: Librarian of Congress made an exemption to the anti circumvention provision of the DMCA for jailbreaking.
Second: While a EULA can say that you can't reverse engineer the software all it wants, there is a "interoperability exception" founded in law.
Third: Software developed for jailbroken devices satisfies that exception.

You lose. Good day, sir.

 

[Fatboy71]

I wonder if this will become more common?? Hmm.

I had my iPhone jailbroken last year, and there's an app called Sky Go, which is basically an app that lets me watch my TV subscription package while on the go.

When I tried to play something, the message "cannot play on jailbroken/rooted devices" appeared. My friend had the same app on his Samsung Galaxy S2 and he got the same message. Apparently there was a fix, but later versions of Sky Go stopped the fix from working.

For me, there is less reason to jailbreak now (and more so with iOS 7) but its going to be a pain for others who do wish to jailbreak.

 

[Swytch]

It's doesn't prove it...

It's an educated guess.

Then please educate me on how your data of 0.01% equates to 90%?

An educated guess means you have data to back up your estimate, which you clearly do not.

 

[tevion5]

Then please educate me on how your data of 0.01% equates to 90%?

An educated guess means you have data to back up your estimate, which you clearly do not.

When did i claim that?

ed·u·cat·ed guess
Noun
A guess based on knowledge and experience and therefore likely to be correct.

It requires no data. It is based on my experience.
Use a dictionary before making claims about the meaning of words you don't understand please.

It's not a shot in the dark. I think it is highly likely to be true based on personal experience.

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I payed for it, I'll run whatever I damn well please on it.

I completely agree, I can't understand how anyone could think otherwise. If a company does not want people to alter their hardware, don't sell it publicly.

 

[Swytch]

When did i claim that?

ed·u·cat·ed guess
Noun
A guess based on knowledge and experience and therefore likely to be correct.

It requires no data. It is based on my experience.
Use a dictionary before making claims about the meaning of words you don't understand please.

It's not a shot in the dark. I think it is highly likely to be true based on personal experience.

So now you are telling em knowledge and experience are NOT data?
Learn the definition of common words before telling someone they don't understand the definition of a word

Fine, please educate me how your knowledge and experience, which accounts for 0.01% of Jail-broken devices, makes your statement of 90% likely to be correct?

Again your personal experience is very Narrow, and only relevant to your community, you need much more knowledge and experience to make that bold of an educated guess (which you have stated over and over you intend to say as fact) on something like this.

An educated guess is more like you have 10 same-size jars full of marbles and told the number of marbles in each is:
99,100,101,101,100,99,99,99,100,101
if you are presented with an 11th same-size jar, it would now be an educated guess that there are 100 marbles in that jar because it is both the mean and median of the rest of the data (knowledge) and having experience that same size jars have the same volume.

Your example is more like having 10 differently sized jars, organizing them by size, counting 2 that are the same size, and guessing all the rest have the same amount of marbles.

And if you want a real world example of the error in your logic. 100% of people I know support the use of MMJ, so it is reasonable to say that 90% of the world population supports the use of MMJ. Oh wait, I just live in Boulder, CO. Demographics certainly play a big role when making educated guesses...

What would have been a reasonable educated guess by you would have been that since 100% of people you have encountered so far that have Jail-broken their device are using it to pirate, then it would be an educated guess that 90% of people you personally will encounter in the future that have Jail-broken their device are using it to pirate. Making an assumption that the rest of the world is just like you and the little bubble you live in is not an educated guess. You must think the world revolves around you (I get it, it certainly is the easy way to grasp life).

Your ignorance is exactly why there is so much racism in this world. Every [White/Mexican/Asian/African/etc] person I know is a thief, therefor they all are!


P.S. I would also like to point out that "educated guess" is not a word, but an idiom, and your definition is incomplete and rephrased to your liking.

<a href="http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/an+educated+guess">an educated guess</a> - a guess that is likely to be correct because you have enough knowledge about a particular subject.

which is why I originally asked you to explain how you have enough knowledge in this particular subject to make such a statement.

Again, I never said you were wrong, merely that your assumption did not have enough knowledge to back it up, especially for you to go beyond it being an educated guess and stating it is almost definitely true.

 

[tevion5]

So now you are telling em knowledge and experience are NOT data?
Learn the definition of common words before telling someone they don't understand the definition of a word

Fine, please educate me how your knowledge and experience, which accounts for 0.01% of Jail-broken devices, makes your statement of 90% likely to be correct?

Again your personal experience is very Narrow, and only relevant to your community, you need much more knowledge and experience to make that bold of an educated guess (which you have stated over and over you intend to say as fact) on something like this.

An educated guess is more like you have 10 same-size jars full of marbles and told the number of marbles in each is:
99,100,101,101,100,99,99,99,100,101
if you are presented with an 11th same-size jar, it would now be an educated guess that there are 100 marbles in that jar because it is both the mean and median of the rest of the data (knowledge) and having experience that same size jars have the same volume.

Your example is more like having 10 differently sized jars, organizing them by size, counting 2 that are the same size, and guessing all the rest have the same amount of marbles.

And if you want a real world example of the error in your logic. 100% of people I know support the use of MMJ, so it is reasonable to say that 90% of the world population supports the use of MMJ. Oh wait, I just live in Boulder, CO. Demographics certainly play a big role when making educated guesses...

What would have been a reasonable educated guess by you would have been that since 100% of people you have encountered so far that have Jail-broken their device are using it to pirate, then it would be an educated guess that 90% of people you personally will encounter in the future that have Jail-broken their device are using it to pirate. Making an assumption that the rest of the world is just like you and the little bubble you live in is not an educated guess. You must think the world revolves around you (I get it, it certainly is the easy way to grasp life).

Your ignorance is exactly why there is so much racism in this world. Every [White/Mexican/Asian/African/etc] person I know is a thief, therefor they all are!

da·ta
/ˈdatə/
Noun
Facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.

No, experience is not data. Can you physically input experience into a pie chart?

Please use the dictionary.

 

[Swytch]

da·ta
/ˈdatə/
Noun
Facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.

No, experience is not data. Can you physically input experience into a pie chart?

Please use the dictionary.

Wow, your ignorance astounds me.

What dictionary do you use? and since when does part of one definition equate to the meaning of a word?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/data?s=t

da·ta
noun
1. a plural of datum.
2. ( used with a plural verb ) individual facts, statistics, or items of information: These data represent the results of our analyses. Data are entered by terminal for immediate processing by the computer.
3. ( used with a singular verb ) a body of facts; information: Additional data is available from the president of the firm.

experience is information is it not? and anything you use to explain an educated guess is information, so yes you can directly input experiences (or information) into a pie chart as data.

learn to actually use a dictionary and stop trying to bend it to justify your own twisted ways...

 

[tevion5]

Wow, your ignorance astounds me.

What dictionary do you use? and since when does part of one definition equate to the meaning of a word?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/data?s=t

da·ta
noun
1. a plural of datum.
2. ( used with a plural verb ) individual facts, statistics, or items of information: These data represent the results of our analyses. Data are entered by terminal for immediate processing by the computer.
3. ( used with a singular verb ) a body of facts; information: Additional data is available from the president of the firm.

experience is information is it not? and anything you use to explain an educated guess is information, so yes you can directly input experiences (or information) into a pie chart as data.

learn to actually use a dictionary and stop trying to bend it to justify your own twisted ways...

i google each word and use that definition at the top. data is not equal to experience. your the one blurring things by bringing "information" into the discussion.

 

[Swytch]

i google each word and use that definition at the top. data is not equal to experience. your the one blurring things by bringing "information" into the discussion.

do you even know how to read and comprehend the things you read?

 

[tevion5]

do you even know how to read and comprehend the things you read?

Obviously, now your just being rude for no reason at all.

Yes i know these word's meanings, I'm just backing them up otherwise you pretend they mean something totally different.

 

[Swytch]

Obviously, now your just being rude for no reason at all.

Yes i know these word's meanings, I'm just backing them up otherwise you pretend they mean something totally different.

Its not for no reason at all, If you dont want people to be rude to you, dont be so ignorant...

If you truly understood words meanings you would look back at your posts and my replies and see where you are wrong.

I have no more time for an narrow-minded person such as yourself, not all people are thieves just because you know some thieves.

 

[tevion5]

Its not for no reason at all, If you dont want people to be rude to you, dont be so ignorant...

If you truly understood words meanings you would look back at your posts and my replies and see where you are wrong.

I have no more time for an narrow-minded person such as yourself, not all people are thieves just because you know some thieves.

Again, if you look back you'll find your wrong on every definition and I claimed all Jailbreakers are pirate. I think most are, but not all.