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'Deus Ex: The Fall' Prevents Players With Jailbroken iOS Devices From Firing Guns

My thoughts

For all the positives JBing provides, it comes with one very real truth- the VAST majority of damage to Apple's ecosystem comes from JB devices.

I want to believe that I as a hardware manufacturer can develop a device and if I so choose to do so, enter a contractual agreement with the purchaser that they will not use the device a certain way. I'm sorry if you disagree with my TOS, then don't buy the device. You do not have some inalienable right to buy a physical device and completely ignore the contract it comes with.

You might be able to JB an iPhone, but to then DEMAND that software companies support your device is absurd. If game manufacturers know that the VAST majority of pirated copies of their game are on JB devices, and they want to alienate large numbers of people by blocking JB devices, they can do so. There is an argument that the game should say that upfront, but the same argument can be made that the official app store is not for JB devices. Apple does not support JB devices in their store. Just because someone made a JB device work with the app store doesn't mean Apple has to support it. The game manufacturers have no obligation to support your modified device. And, as many have said, to threaten a software company that you are going to pirate their software in revenge just makes you look like that dirtbag you are.

I JB my devices, but I understand what that means. It means I have modified a piece of software with a TOS I agreed to not to modify in the way I did. If Apple or game manufacturers want to have nothing to do with me, then that's there prerogative. I have no implicit human right to obligate someone else spent their time supporting me using their hardware/software in way they do not support.

To put the "support" another way to the "it's my hardware" crowd, try using your hardware without taking and modifying Apple's software. JB is back to illegal isn't it?

Again, I'm on the JB bandwagon but some of you think the world revolves around you and you should be able to do anything without repercussion. The world doesn't work that way.
 
ArmCortexA8 said:
I dont support Jailbreaking. If you cannot use a device the way it was designed to be used by the manufacturer, then make your own phone. Jailbreaking should be made illegal and not supported. Therefore I support the lockout in Deus Ex on JB devices.
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Spoken like a true moron..
 
donutbagel said:
I didn't say that I don't pirate, just that I don't steal paid apps from the App Store. I pirated a free app's old version and am looking for an old pirated copy of the FiOS remote (another free app that got a bad update). I also think that downloading 90s Nintendo ROMs is legal, but I'm not sure.
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You realize you can buy those old nintendo games on their current systems right? Why exactly would that be legal?
 
tevion5 said:
More than 90% of jailbreakers pirate? I can't prove it of course but absolutely every jailbreaker I have ever met (being 100%) has done so, therefore this is quite a sensible assumption. It is not unreasonable and almost certainly true.

I'm not say all jailbreakers pirate, but the vast majority do, and to say otherwise is misleading.
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Im only commenting on your assumptions, you know how many people who jailbreak their iOS device? maybe 100 right? there are how many people who have jailbroken an iOS device? more than 18 Million (http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/03/20/18-million-jailbroken-devices/)
that means you surveyed less than 0.01% of people.

explain to me how your narrow data pool make an "almost certainly true" assumption that 90% of jailbreakers pirate? Im not saying that this isnt true, but how does your data prove this in any way?
 
FirstNTenderbit said:
We obviously view this issue differently, and that's totally okay. Civil discourse is one of the benefits of free society. Bolded: Here's the thing, the game does work but the dev coded it specifically NOT to work with JB devices. That's the key. This wasn't accidental. It was intentional. That says in no uncertain terms: IF YOU JB WE DON'T WANT YOU. Full stop. Even though we don't want you to play our game, we will take your money. Your device = bad, your money = good. This is where I have a problem. You cannot take a person's money knowing full well that you have no intention of delivering service. That's completely dishonest. If you don't want JBers that fine, but you have to reject their money as well. Make it obvious they're not welcome and I have no issue whatsoever.

Your XBOX example doesn't really relate to this issue. Microsoft will drop the banhammer on you for a modded XBOX. Modding an XBOX directly affects your relationship with the manufacturer. Aside from voiding your warranty, JB doesn't affect your relationship with Apple, and Apple is very upfront about the voided warranty. They don't hide anything. You know exactly what the consequences are with Apple. That's not the case with Edios. My question to any dev that breaks functionality for JB devices AND doesn't let customer know is this: Why is it okay to take my money if you have no intention of providing your service?
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I get what you're saying but here's where I think you and I are not seeing eye-to-eye: the presupposition that somehow the developer is wrong for intentionally breaking support for an unsupported device config. I don't think they're wrong for doing that without warning. The device is not supported therefore, I'm not sure why a warning about that is in order. Should they also have to warn that this might not run on Nokia phones? What about someone running an iOS emulator? Should they warn against that too?

Again, it's your responsibility if you choose to jailbreak whether the negatives you experience as a result are intentional or otherwise. We can argue the merits of developers doing this kind of thing (and I think some of the arguments against doing this are very convincing) but I do not accept the idea that the developer somehow owes anyone with a jailbroken device an apology or refund. They never said they were supporting that configuration. Someone with a jailbroken device made a wrong assumption and they got bit for it. Not the developer's fault.
 
inkswamp said:
I get what you're saying but here's where I think you and I are not seeing eye-to-eye: the presupposition that somehow the developer is wrong for intentionally breaking support for an unsupported device config. I don't think they're wrong for doing that without warning. The device is not supported therefore, I'm not sure why a warning about that is in order. Should they also have to warn that this might not run on Nokia phones? What about someone running an iOS emulator? Should they warn against that too?

Again, it's your responsibility if you choose to jailbreak whether the negatives you experience as a result are intentional or otherwise. We can argue the merits of developers doing this kind of thing (and I think some of the arguments against doing this are very convincing) but I do not accept the idea that the developer somehow owes anyone with a jailbroken device an apology or refund. They never said they were supporting that configuration. Someone with a jailbroken device made a wrong assumption and they got bit for it. Not the developer's fault.
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The developer disagrees with you:

"We have not been clear in our communication earlier this week when we launched Deus Ex: The Fall. We did not state clearly that the game would not support jailbroken devices and so we will be switching this off via an update, so that all the supported iOS devices will be able to play the game in the near future.

We feel it's the right thing to do in this situation and apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused. No customer should be out of pocket when we were not clear from the start, so we'll get the game updated as soon as possible so that everyone who wants to play Deus Ex: The Fall can do regardless of whether their device is jailbroken or not. As soon as this update is live we will communicate this via the Eidos Montreal Community channels."
 
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FirstNTenderbit said:
The developer disagrees with you:

"We have not been clear in our communication earlier this week when we launched Deus Ex: The Fall. We did not state clearly that the game would not support jailbroken devices and so we will be switching this off via an update, so that all the supported iOS devices will be able to play the game in the near future.

We feel it's the right thing to do in this situation and apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused. No customer should be out of pocket when we were not clear from the start, so we'll get the game updated as soon as possible so that everyone who wants to play Deus Ex: The Fall can do regardless of whether their device is jailbroken or not. As soon as this update is live we will communicate this via the Eidos Montreal Community channels."
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Great! That's actually a great response and I think it's a smart move on their part. However, I do actually stand by my statement that I don't think they owed this to anyone and they wouldn't have been wrong to stand by their decision.
 
inkswamp said:
The device is not supported therefore, I'm not sure why a warning about that is in order. Should they also have to warn that this might not run on Nokia phones? What about someone running an iOS emulator? Should they warn against that too?
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Terrible argument.

The app store description explicitly says what devices and iOS versions are supported. They should have said jailbroken devices not supported in the description before purchasing.

inkswamp said:
Great! That's actually a great response and I think it's a smart move on their part. However, I do actually stand by my statement that I don't think they owed this to anyone and they wouldn't have been wrong to stand by their decision.
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I'm glad you aren't a developer then because you have obviously have no ethics. I hope whatever career you DO work in isn't terribly important because you have no sense of morals.
 
donutbagel said:
You can buy remakes of them, not the actual game. There are also no retro versions for the old Pokémon games.
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No, Nintendo has the "Virtual Console" for the Wii, Wii U, and 3DS that sell straight ports of games from a number of consoles.
 
2IS said:
Are you talking about a law suit that would cost you money for an attorney and get you nothing in return? If you're lucky, maybe you'll get your money back for the app... Good luck finding a lawyer for $6.99

You can fool yourself that a LOT of jailbreakers don't JB to get stuff for free that would otherwise cost them, but you aren't going to fool me.
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Three words: Class action lawsuit.

Doesn't cost the affected parties any money, there are entire firms that "create" class action suits, seek out volunteers to name as plaintiffs and take it entirely on a contingency basis. Affected parties are eventually notified and get a moderate payout (while the attorneys and named parties make out like banshees).

This just screams class action and that is why Square Enix is now backing off of the anti-jailbreaking code. And if think your view of the jailbreaking community is naïve. Again - you don't need to jailbreak to pirate, and considering the vast number of iOS devices and releases are not jail breakable...

Oh, and I'm a lawyer.
 
jasvncnt said:
Really? You cant see where your scenario made no sense? Your going to compare installing a game you bought for windows and then complaining because you cant install it on Ubuntu, a totally different OS.......to buying a game for IOS that does not work on a JB'd IOS device?
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Yes because it's not the OS the game was initially intended to run on. The dev's don't usually consider jail broken devices when they make a game. The fact they work is a bonus.

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Swytch said:
Im only commenting on your assumptions, you know how many people who jailbreak their iOS device? maybe 100 right? there are how many people who have jailbroken an iOS device? more than 18 Million (http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/03/20/18-million-jailbroken-devices/)
that means you surveyed less than 0.01% of people.

explain to me how your narrow data pool make an "almost certainly true" assumption that 90% of jailbreakers pirate? Im not saying that this isnt true, but how does your data prove this in any way?
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It's doesn't prove it...

It's an educated guess.
 
tevion5 said:
Yes because it's not the OS the game was initially intended to run on. The dev's don't usually consider jail broken devices when they make a game. The fact they work is a bonus.
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By this logic a user account running on OSX with limited privileges isn't the same as one running with admin access. A jailbreak is just something that gives you root access, not a new OS.
 
tevion5 said:
Yes because it's not the OS the game was initially intended to run on. The dev's don't usually consider jail broken devices when they make a game. The fact they work is a bonus.
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I'm backing up what M00min said above me. Jailbroken iOS isn't any different than regular iOS other than the fact you're now the admin instead of Apple, and can install whatever you want.

Anything that works in regular iOS will work in jailbroken iOS. Why? Because they're the same OS. Not similarly. Not fundamentally. They're the same from top to bottom. The only difference is the amount of access you have to it. No one needs to make special exceptions for jailbroken devices when creating their apps.

It's an educated guess.
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Judging from your posts, I'd say you probably need to spend a little time furthering that education you're basing your guesses upon.
 
m00min said:
By this logic a user account running on OSX with limited privileges isn't the same as one running with admin access. A jailbreak is just something that gives you root access, not a new OS.
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No, because both those versions of OSX were released by apple. Jailbroken iOS is not. That is the primary difference.

It's essentially the same OS of course I know that, but because you've left the walled garden you can't expect everything from in there to work. That's not fair.

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Renzatic said:
I'm backing up what M00min said above me. Jailbroken iOS isn't any different than regular iOS other than the fact you're now the admin instead of Apple, and can install whatever you want.

Anything that works in regular iOS will work in jailbroken iOS. Why? Because they're the same OS. Not similarly. Not fundamentally. They're the same from top to bottom. The only difference is the amount of access you have to it. No one needs to make special exceptions for jailbroken devices when creating their apps.



Judging from your posts, I'd say you probably need to spend a little time furthering that education you're basing your guesses upon.
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Refer to the reply I gave M00min.

Also, you think most Jailbreakers purchase all their apps legally? That's nonsense and everybody knows it. I'm not saying they all do, but almost all of them.
 
goodwilldrums said:


That's a big assumption to make. What, nobody else would think to have folders to store apps?
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HAHA I'll give them folders, but let me just list a few that I can think of at the top of my head:

DO not disturb, SBSettings, Dash, Deepend, Live clock, Livepapers, Livewallpaper, iBlacklist, Fastblurrednotificationcenter, activator, auxo, swipeback, zephyr..................

Shall i go on???
 
App Store dev's never claim to have compatibility with jailbroekn iOS so don't go crazy when one app dsoent work.

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Renzatic said:
Judging from your posts, I'd say you probably need to spend a little time furthering that education you're basing your guesses upon.
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Personal insults, very mature.
 
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