I thought these things didn’t even have Thunderbolt 3. How did they even connect a Pro Display XDR?
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I thought these things didn’t even have Thunderbolt 3. How did they even connect a Pro Display XDR?
I wouldn't put it past Apple to have something in that beta software that can detect when it's being benchmarked.
It's not on the fly, it's at installation time.
Their NDA is very restrictive, including no benchmarks. No idea if they can share impressions, but what are they going to say? "It's really slow and barely functional" is unlikely to be a statement and "My app has never run faster!" does not mean a whole lot within context.
Sooo, why is everyone clamoring for benchmarks on a device that isn’t representative of Apple’s upcoming Macs?
I can't see what all the fuss is about.
All Apple need to do is run the A-Series processor under current Intel based processor emulation.
Emulate A-Series processor functions from the current I9s.
Best of both worlds - future IOS compatibility together with keeping the boot camp paranoids happy.
Simples.
All Apple need to do is run the A-Series processor under current Intel based processor emulation.
Emulate A-Series processor functions from the current I9s.
Best of both worlds - future IOS compatibility together with keeping the boot camp paranoids happy.
Simples.
To what point?
All binaries will be "universal" for the time being, so they will run much faster on that Xeon.
Also no point for testing purposes, just put an DTK right next to it.
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We’re bored, we don’t understand that this is not the same cpu/GPU/bus/memory as the real macs, and even if we did we don’t understand engineering to know the implications of that?
It's representative of Apple current technology though. It would be nice to know where things stand as of today.
That solves zero of the problems apple is trying to solve.
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you have an ipad Pro with the same chip in it. That’s where things stand as of today.
It's a Mac mini and it looks exactly like a Mac mini.
a) some adapter and running at lower res/refresh
b) not at all (some other Mac being hidden under the desk)
c) these weren't the same as the DTKs sent out to developers
IMO c make the most sense, Apple must have some HW ready when they plan to chip (in masses) later this year, and it's plausible that they didn't trust external developers enough to hand them that HW today.
As a result we might see a MacMini later this year that is near 100% identical to the DTK except for a different SoC.
Before dismissing it out of hand, like you are on the board of Apple - think for a second.
As both sets of silicon get more efficient and cooler - it would all work - share the same cooling architecture.
Why can't we have the best of both worlds?
Just a word of advice, if you depend on the income you make from the Apple store as a developer, you really want to take their NDAs seriously. That’s all I can say, but it is not said lightly. Apple is very, very, very serious about their internal work and intellectual property.
Do not let strangers on MR or anywhere else who will quickly turn on you and say that you shouldn’t have done it once Apple boots you for life and possibly sue you to goad you into losing your livelihood.
Do not let strangers on MR or anywhere else who will quickly turn on you and say that you shouldn’t have done it once Apple boots you for life and possibly sue you to goad you into losing your livelihood.
I told you why.It doesn’t solve apple’s problems.
1) intel is stagnant and not even living up to its own roadmap. It hasn’t done so for years.
How does your solution solve that?
2) x86 is inherently less efficient than arm, limiting the form factors apple can use.
How does your Solution solve that?
3) apple wants to control its own roadmap and the complete technology stack?
How does your solution solve that?
4) Apple Silicone is faster than intel’s.
How does your solution solve that?
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Sure. And in 15 years 64-bit code, or code running on “insecure aarch64” or Apple silicone version 1 code or whatever will be axed. It’s the march of progress.
Because you're comparing two different technology stacks and on an unbalanced factor. This has nothing to do with cooling at all and they're not even in the same group. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Apple Silicon is a complete system on a chip (SoC) with its own GPU, neural engine, ISP, disk controller, memory controller, cache, unified memory, co-accelerators, etc.
Intel CPU is just a x86 CPU and on some, basic iGPU. (I'm ignoring the certain instruction sets that it may have but Apple won't care much for).
Apple silicon is NOT CPU only. It's also not about ARMv8 either.
Apple is integrating both software and hardware on a much deeper levels that has never been possible before.
Intel does not produce custom x86 chips for Apple, they may "bin" certain pref chips but they do not customize their designs to anyone (unlike AMD).
Apple is customizing their own hardware for their own software, that is *always* going to be faster than a general CPU that's designed for mass market.
Imagine if they know that certain group of software is slow on certain tasks, they can customize the next SoC to accelerate that task that'd be much faster than trying to increase the clock speed.
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They need to develop their app and that’s it. The 2 seconds of internet fame won’t be worth it.
Not sure why anyone would want one, given that their ports suck, they probably run slower than a $500 used intel mac mini, etc.
Well I'm assuming that they run better then the current Mac Mini's, otherwise I'm not sure what the point of transitioning was (outside of business issues with Intel).
I don’t think you understand what these boxes are. They contain 2 year old processors designed for tablets. The chips that will go in macs will be much, much faster.
To have something to bitch about for the next 3-4 months as to why Apple shouldn’t move to Apple Silicon and stick with Intel.
A lot of people are simply wanting to grasp at straws at this point, to justify switching to Windows. The next thing will be the lack or possible lack of discrete GPUs, or at least the lack of any answers from Apple regarding discrete GPUs.
Apple didn’t answer everyone’s questions regarding hardware last week and there are some OCD people here who want to pour over specs and dissect them down to the most minute details and Apple is waiting until the big reveal to disclose all their party favors. Lots of members (armchair engineers) here who are just going to be besides themselves for the next 3-4 months. Popping popcorn now!