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Developers Begin Receiving Mac Mini With A12Z Chip to Prepare Apps for Apple Silicon Macs
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Apple was able to make the transition to Intel. Given the level of difficulty I thought it went well. I am sure this has been in the works and lots of planning so lets see what happens. I am excited for the future of Apple products.
It’s only using half the cores.
it’s clock speed is lower than even an ipad pro
it’s running a Rosetta-translated version of the benchmark
it’s not the chip that will be in real macs
So it’s all pretty meaningless.
It means nothing, it looks to be on par with iPad Pro A12Z if we halve it since the app is not detecting all cores yet and it is emulated. Also, this isn't the Mac SoC that's going to be in retail.
That's all you can compare it to right now.
By the way, just so you'd know, you're comparing a desktop CPU that's 65 WATT vs. a 5-8 WATT tablet SoC. That's like comparing a hummer truck vs. a bike.
not ..it's a lot. mine just baseline and 8 GB which only can run full HD while the demo saying can render 3 video 4k in final cut pro without lagging which totally I'm surprised how.
L2 cache double than mine 8 GB vs 256 and no L3 cache.
** I don't do video but more on software, which means I only interested in how the cooling system and speed of compiling compare to normal intel. I have used most of the intel proc including the real 64 Itanium(DEAD) compare to ours now amd64.
** a12 in my iPad mini tend to heat if long play asphalt 9.
. ** I think they focus on memory instead of SSD itself so a lot of caches can be done
not ..it's a lot. mine just baseline and 8 GB which only can run full HD while the demo saying can render 3 video 4k in final cut pro without lagging which totally I'm surprised how.
L2 cache double than mine 8 GB vs 256 and no L3 cache.
** I don't do video but more on software, which means I only interested in how the cooling system and speed of compiling compare to normal intel. I have used most of the intel proc including the real 64 Itanium(DEAD) compare to ours now amd64.
** a12 in my iPad mini tend to heat if long play asphalt 9.
** I think they focus on memory instead of SSD itself so a lot of caches can be done
You are replying to me but i can’t understand even one sentence of this.
Most likely they were using a mini with upcoming Axx and Thinderbolt 3 or USB 4 going through validation testing now. Remember, everyone, this wasn’t live, so any hardware/software hiccups were quickly attended to and demos we’re reshot.
None of what is in the DTK is ever going to make it in a production Mac. It’s a serious stopgap for developers only and that’s all it ever was intended to be. So much angst over hardware specs you’re never going to use.
hehe.. it's more on the
developer mindset compare normal people . It's for developer by da way
I understand that, but you need to use complete sentences. I’m interested in developer perspective (i also am a developer), but you say “mine” without explaining what that refers to, and your sentences are incomplete.hehe.. it's more on the
The Arm chips in iPads etc come with decent integrated graphics and with the power of Metal they're supposed to be as powerful as an Xbox One. I reckon the 'pro' desktop models will probably have the addition of discrete graphic cards and definitely the ARM version of the Mac Pro. I think the grey area will be the MacBook Pro models - if an iPad can do three streams of 4k using integrated graphics I'm sure the actual notebook chips with the benefit of dedicated RAM will be ridiculous!
haha i prefer like this hai->developer
.I never give a complete sentence to junior to the task. Just make it KISS.not ..it's a lot. mine just baseline and 8 GB which only can run full HD while the demo saying can render 3 video 4k in final cut pro without lagging which totally I'm surprised how.
L2 cache double than mine 8 GB vs 256 and no L3 cache.
** I don't do video but more on software, which means I only interested in how the cooling system and speed of compiling compare to normal intel. I have used most of the intel proc including the real 64 Itanium(DEAD) compare to ours now amd64.
** a12 in my iPad mini tend to heat if long play asphalt 9.
** I think they focus on memory instead of SSD itself so a lot of caches can be done
You're not very clear.
Final Cut Pro is native on the demo and using Metal on top of a heavily Metal-optimized GPU that's a beast compared to a weak Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640 on your Mac. iPad Pro with the same A12Z has been shown to render/edit 4k videos quickly. Here's a quick video I found where a video editor is comparing his iMac 2017 to iPad Pro:
I don't have an iPad pro. thank you for the video link.
** My country not on the list can loan it, so I think I can wait for the next 2 years to replace my iMac.
You've heard of the Mac Mini right?
Mac mini - Technical Specifications
See all the technical specifications for Mac mini with the M4 or M4 Pro chip.
www.apple.com
You don't need Thunderbolt 3, or USB4 to drive a Pro Display XDR at 6K/60Hz. You just need USB-C and a GPU that supports DSC/Display Stream Compression.
Pretty sure the point was that Chrome on iOS just uses WebKit - might as well use Safari
And that's precisely why Apple has banned benchmarks for the kit. This is a developer test kit and is NOT the final product, so of course it's not going to be optimized for speed. Techie neckbeards are foaming at the mouth to show the world what a piece of crap Apple Silicon is and benchmarks for this test kit would let them.
Yeah, not interested in benchmarks, overall feel of the device as running on ARM with macOS is what I am more interested in.
Given that the A12X and A12Z in the iPad Pro do not support the full resolution of a 5K Display, much less a 6K display output from their USB-C ports, I find it interesting that the Apple Silicon mini would be able to drive the 6K display, but stranger things have happened. And if I understand correctly, I don’t think the 6K supports a USB-C fallback mode, but someone will correct me if I’m wrong. I’m cleaning my garage out currently and am too lazy to look it up, anyways.
You don't need Thunderbolt 3, or USB4 to drive a Pro Display XDR at 6K/60Hz. You just need USB-C and a GPU that supports DSC/Display Stream Compression.
Pretty sure the point was that Chrome on iOS just uses WebKit - might as well use Safari
Oh, I get it now - doh! (slaps forehead).
What I'm seeing so far bodes well for the future usability of these systems. Rosetta 2 is pretty impressive out of the box, as are these "benchmarks" (quotes because I've taken them with a large grain of salt).
Maybe I'll pick up a future ArMini and slap it inside the shell of my G4.
Maybe I'll pick up a future ArMini and slap it inside the shell of my G4.
I don't know why everyone is so concerned about benchmarking these. They are a prototype machine and the sole purpose is to help move our software (I am a developer) to the new architecture. I am sure production machines will be plenty fast, but this is to get something working so that our customers don't get ARM machines before we've seen one ourselves.