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ITT: People who aren't devs or don't know the app store submission process commenting with no idea about what they are talking about.

The facts:
- It does not matter how many betas Apple releases. Apple does not accept update submissions for iOS 14 until the GM drops (so, yesterday).
- Review process takes a few days at this time of year, and that's assuming you get approved for your first submission
- If the app breaks on iOS 14, devs will lose money and get negative reviews because customers get impatient

This is 100% on Apple.
 
You developers had whole summer to update your apps! Stop finding an excuse to bash at Apple.

Focus on 14.1 that will be dropping soon.

Update: Dang complaining developers! because of you now iOS 14 is slightly delayed :(
that doesn't make any sense, we had all summer to respond to changes that happened all summer, we didn't have all summer to respond to changes that happened yesterday
 
You’d be surprised by how little users in general understand the transition may come with some pain. I don’t think you can post feedback for apps on the App Store on iOS betas (or at least are discouraged from doing so) simply because.

I agree, 99.9% of users will probably uninstall and leave a bad review
 
Damn... one day to finalize and update apps. Meanwhile, Apple extends the ‘grace period’ for mega companies to track us across sites and apps without identification/consent because “waaahhh... we need more time. 90 days isn’t enough.”

I know, apples and oranges... Still, it’s been a weird couple of months on the software front for Apple.
 
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Apple is probably hoping that users uninstall third party apps that didn't get a chance to update so users use their default apps and sign up for their services.
 
This only affects apps that don't currently work on iOS 14. There is nothing forcing developers to have iOS14 features on day one.
 
It’s not about Apples Apps it’s about 3rd party developer apps. Apple will do what they need but things like Pixelmator, AppClips devs, etc. have to finish testing things on the GM of XCode and ios14 before they can submit to Apple for review to be put in the store. It’s not just about patches but new apps too.

You missed the point. Some of us Understand why the developers are upset and get that you’re the one that will receive the bad reviews if your app doesn’t work. The point that was being made was most iOS 13 apps appear to function without issue so the issue won’t be as big to end users as compared to as it is to developers.

Now if only one of those apps wasn’t my banking app, that’d be great. I don’t know whether to blame the app developer or Apple for whether it’s breaking.
Well, yeah, that sucks when it is an important app or one you use frequently. We know the developer couldn’t release the updated app for review until yesterday afternoon at the earliest, so guess you blame Apple. Hopefully they will have the updated apps out within the week.
 
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2020 is full of cry babies. Apple gives you the tools in June and you have that much time to get it ready for this day.
2020 is a perfect example of a multitude of people insulting entire groups and industries without having any knowledge of who they are insulting. No empathy, no attempt at understanding things first.
Your post should be remembered of what not to do. If you want '21 to be better than '20, start empathizing.
 
It's the exact same thing the current administration did to employers with the payroll tax cut that was to begin Sept 1. Actually it was the same day with a 5pm est. deadline. I guess it's good to know these things also happen on such a large scale and not just once in awhile and not isolated in a bubble.
 
The replies here from non-developers who are just defending Apple without an iota of understanding of the issues involved is quite disconcerting.

You really expect people to have any idea of what goes into development. I deal with developers that somehow don't understand what it takes...
 
2020 is full of cry babies. Apple gives you the tools in June and you have that much time to get it ready for this day.

LOL really? Because according to Apple I can only submit a fix for an issue I found about yesterday, with the app they gave me, Xcode, yesterday. How does that work again?
 
I wish that was true, but the bugfix and expedited review we just did would say it's not.

I understand new bug could pop up in the GM. But apps that didn't run at all in iOS14 should have been long fixed, looking at Nintendo which waited until yesterday to release a fix for some of their apps.
 
Over at Apple Insider, there’s a defense of developers and Apple. I hear the complaints by developers, and Apple are certainly in the wrong here. Still, I’m fed up with most tech people not being fed up with this whole industry.

As I said on AI:

[at Apple’s perpetual release BS] Maybe not push products out the door until they are ready, maybe ...maybe???

Why are we supposed to be all forgiving when “Apple stumble all the time with OS upgrades”? [comment defending Apple]
Covid-19 aside (because this computer industry ******** happens constantly, every year, with or without pandemics):

The degree of special pleading that is constantly used to defend this industry’s perpetual ******** is grotesque. It’s even more maddening being one of a tiny minority of tech people willing to acknowledge it and call it out...

...and not be eager to lick the corporate boot, defending every company & developer, as users are tossed incomplete products (and, no, don’t give me the BS special pleading excuse “users should know not to be early adopters”), being thrown into usability chaos with broken and incomplete features, device slowdowns, app incompatibilities (no, end users shouldn’t have to “know not to accept the update until later”, when it’s literally pushed at them daily by Apple)...

... all because Apple are focused only on pushing new devices onto market, at rigidly set dates, to feed the dogdamned stock market pundits their fresh meat...

... and when developers are behind on updating for new OS releases & platform changes that have been telegraphed for years - looking at you, 32-bit holdovers (few have excuses, most don’t).

Everyone is in the wrong here, AFAIC:

• Apple, for their focus on Wall Street, perpetually ****** release cycles, unwillingness to do proper QA, bugs, & generally incomplete development at release day.

• Developers, for acting like they were taken by surprise when long-announced changes were finalized, well after betas were made available. [yes, I see your arguments that THIS TIME is different]

• Fanatics, for defending the behavior of one or both of them, and pulling out their “us vs them” tribalism ******** responses to legitimate criticism of Apple and/or developers [and of badly designed and planned tech].

No industry is as bad as those based on computer tech and its perpetual abuse of (and scapegoating of) their own customers and endless logical fallacy excuses.

Will Apple ever change?

All the lawsuits and anticompetitive claims are by other companies doing all the same BS. Yeah, this mess needs regulation, but you know it’ll never be the right kind so long as the people who are part of the game keep writing the rules.
 
This is all about Apple wanting its numbers for Q3 to not suck too much. Usually at this time of year that get the initial surge in iPhone orders so they’re mitigating this with the Watch. Devs are seemingly a casualty of this.
 
LOL really? Because according to Apple I can only submit a fix for an issue I found about yesterday, with the app they gave me, Xcode, yesterday. How does that work again?

I will agree I was a little surprised by the GM being release today.
 
The cynical side of me says "Why do you have to submit them and have them ready day 1?"

Because users of some apps, with no changes being made to the app, will experience different behavior on iOS 14, because though the names of the APIs haven't changed, how they worked did and the app doesn't handle it correctly. It was only possible to know the impact of that on a GM/RC because prior to that the technology may change (they even say it's an evolving technology...)
 
Except it doesn't work that way. We always had a week to 10 days to test our apps with the final build.

You also can't be submitting to the store with beta builds of Xcode. We only got the final version of Xcode yesterday and when this happens review times always go way up. So if our app does not work on iOS 14 it could be days to over a week before we can submit a build with iOS 14 that corrects those issues.

Well just look at all those users complaining thinking they are so entitled.

It is part of the reason why Apple treat developers like dirt.
 
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