Let me ask you something. Does the iOS 13 app need to be sent for review if they didn't want to make any changes? I think part of the issue is this sky is falling discussion which leads people to believe no iOS 13 apps would run on iOS 14.
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Developers Frustrated at Apple for Just One Day's Notice to Submit Apps Ahead of iOS 14 Release Today
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Some iOS games and bank app will not run iOS 14 due to jailbreak detection code.
Including Pokemon Go which was just updated.
Most inde developer does not really affected by this as it's mostly big name companies really into those things.
Today my wife can not play AnimalCrosing poket camp due to iOS 14 incompatibilty. This thing does happens and is really bad for apple.
So there can be some legacy iOS 13 apps that still work without update and do not require resubmission?
Always were. Even iOS 7 run iOS 6 legacy style apps.
Just if bad thing happens your app just doesn't works across iOS versions this year's situation is really bad--both for developer and end user.
Got it, that makes sense. I didn’t realize a given app was so tied to the build specific code, but it makes sense now that I think about it. Thats exactly why you test. I appreciate the explanation.
Um all my apps work with iOS 14 just fine, without updating them. These devs are blowing this out of proportion.
you’re commenting wrong.
you’re meant to say that if the devs don’t like the deadline then they should build their own phone.
I'm seeing a lot of talk from the developers on here criticizing those who are not developers, and maybe it is warrented. I wanted to apologize if I offended anyone with my criticisms today. I'm not a developer, but I'm interested in learning the reason why you guys were frustrated and it's more of a timing thing rather than an actual app getting ready thing. I've been on IOS 14 for a couple hours now and my apps seem to be working fine. I'm actually excited for more of my apps updating and seeing what new things they can bring to the table.
However, since this is a thread about developers, I have to ask a question and this kind of goes with my laziness comment earlier. When you update an app, most of the time the notes for that update is just "bug fixes". I'm more annoyed when it comes to apps like Facebook (Including Messenger) or my favorite shopping and food apps, like Yelp. These are big name corporations yet they can't write something a little better than Bug Fixes? It's even more annoying when they update apps every week, to which I think they are updating just for the sake of updating. I really look forward to app updates where the app notes are actually specific. Apps like Pocketcasts are really good with this.
However, since this is a thread about developers, I have to ask a question and this kind of goes with my laziness comment earlier. When you update an app, most of the time the notes for that update is just "bug fixes". I'm more annoyed when it comes to apps like Facebook (Including Messenger) or my favorite shopping and food apps, like Yelp. These are big name corporations yet they can't write something a little better than Bug Fixes? It's even more annoying when they update apps every week, to which I think they are updating just for the sake of updating. I really look forward to app updates where the app notes are actually specific. Apps like Pocketcasts are really good with this.
Yea sorry, I'm not buying it that you're a dev if you don't get this is an issue. Apple actually deprecated an API between beta 8 and the GM not to mention the big issue of not being able to build an app for iTunes connect without the GM.
Apple‘s guidelines kind of encourage this and they also do this themselves in their apps:
2.3.12 Apps must clearly describe new features and product changes in their "What's New" text. Simple bug fixes, security updates, and performance improvements may rely on a generic description, but more significant changes must be listed in the notes.
I’m not a dev, I’m just saying all my apps have been working fine with iOS 14, without being updated for iOS 14. Non of my apps crashes and they all work buttery smooth that’s why I don’t get what the big deal is. Notice no customer or consumer is complaining because we don’t have any issues with the OS or the apps running.
Yeah, that was definitely a dick move on Apple's part. It's almost like they DON'T want a successful launch of these platforms.
This is all easily verifiable. We will see if the launch was successful or problematic in the coming days. I can only speak for myself but so far it has been 100% problem free. If its as doom and gloom as all these frustrated developers say, it will be out in the media full force. So far crickets....
The sky is falling if you're a dev hired by a company to build a very important app, then you get unlucky and have the build broken by the iOS 14 GM. Most of the time you're fine, but it's Russian Roulette.
Probably only a few apps will be affected, so it's not a big problem for everyone. Just stinks for devs.
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The crashing isn't the big deal for most apps, the big deal is there were changes made between the Beta 8, and the GM (which is the "final beta" so to speak that developers test against to ensure their apps are ready for the public.). Apple gave developers one day with the GM vs a week or two like they did in the past, and no notice that iOS 14 was going to drop. Most devs expected it to drop at end of September since no notice was given yet. Apple also didn't provide the tools to give finalized versions of iOS 14 apps until yesterday since you have to have the GM version of Xcode to build for the App Store.
Usually Apple releases the GM, which gives a week or more notice before iOS 14 drops and everyone expected that this year. During this time developers not only regression test their apps to make sure nothing broke between the previous beta and the GM, but they also use it to get their final builds of the app ready for submission before iOS14 launches. There was no time for that this year at all and many devs had to work literally all night updating their app catalogs.
Two of our apps at work broke. They worked fine on beta 8, the GM broke it, meaning developers had to first find, then fix, then regression test those two apps and that kind of work isn't instant then get the final builds prepared to send to Apple all one one day. We were very fortunate it was only two apps because we have over 50 in our app catalog. Most have not had proper regression testing because Apple simply didn't give us the time.
Crashes, when they happen are a huge deal too. Users will bash an app that crashes on them and rarely do they go back and fix a rating once the crash is fixed.
Consumers update to iOS 14 and your app doesn’t support new features. Who do you think the consumers blame? Certainly not Apple. And judged by many of the responses in this thread Apple customers seem to have little regard for developers. Maybe that’s why Apple has no problem treating them like dirt sometimes.
Yeah, every user is modally asked to update the moment it's available, so many of them do. The devs need more time.
That’s the point. Ideally you would be on top of new beta releases. Also this is nothing new- Apple has done several OS betas before GM for a long time now. Still it’s not Apples fault if your company can’t be on top of the latest recommendations from Apple... Apple usually tells developers by example or explicitly when a new paradigm has emerged... So it’s equally valid to say it’s not Apples fault you are building iOS apps like it’s iOS 8 still and your app is significantly broken in iOS 14...
Again I’ll say it’s not Apples fault it’s your businesses fault... If you are bootstrapping and it’s a challenge to keep up with Apple it’s still not Apples fault.
To be fair, if you buy something you don't know anything about, you don't care who's at fault. Like say you buy a sweater, and the zipper is broken because of a retail shipping mishap. Brand says Gap. Probably not buying Gap anymore.
It's in Apple's best interest to treat the devs well here to keep the ecosystem healthy. IDK what happened. Someone screwed up.
No reason you can’t be ready within a week of iOS 14 release to get your app submitted. You had all summer to build in iOS 14 features.
Also I don’t think customers in mass will get that frustrated your app is missing App Clips or something.. But if you still don’t have dark mode I could see some customers getting annoyed.. Dark mode is from iOS 13 though- nearly two years ago.
I'm putting my hand up as one of the people who was wondering why developers were complaining, and thanks to reading this thread I've completely changed my perspective.
I really hope developers are able to get their app updates out without it overly affecting their reputation since the situation is not something they could control. I don't think Apple was trying to mess with developers intentionally, let's hope they take this into account in the future though.
I wish this thread would kinda stop though, in 400+ posts it's literally the same arguments being repeated over and over.
I really hope developers are able to get their app updates out without it overly affecting their reputation since the situation is not something they could control. I don't think Apple was trying to mess with developers intentionally, let's hope they take this into account in the future though.
I wish this thread would kinda stop though, in 400+ posts it's literally the same arguments being repeated over and over.
Bahahah, I’m glad to finally see someone else say that. I would need proof to believe that it’s not a bot account with an occasional person behind the keyboard.