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Developers Frustrated at Apple for Just One Day's Notice to Submit Apps Ahead of iOS 14 Release Today
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Because she doesn’t know anything. 🤷🏻♂️
The moderators should delete every reply to this thread except this one, then lock it.
Reading through this thread has been insightful..... Its pretty much cemented the list of people who usually knee jerk support Apple no matter what the criticism is without any nuance or useful discussion.
As a Developer, I find this pathetic. Not that apple released iOS14 quicker than anticipated, but that these devs are whining that people will get iOS 14 before their app is submitted? What difference does it make for apple to hold back iOS 14 for a week really? I haven't seen anything significant with my apps compiled on iOS 13 running on iOS 14, so it's not like their apps are going to suddenly fail. So your users have to wait a day or two to put your widget on their Home Screen. What else? Your users won't know the difference.
Notice though that these are all "twitterati" complaints, does twitter allow much else but outrage anyway?
Notice though that these are all "twitterati" complaints, does twitter allow much else but outrage anyway?
The problem, as others have outlined before, is that you can't submit an iOS app without a GM or live version of the OS. So apps couldn't be submitted until yesterday. They gave developers 24 hours notice to submit their app, test their app on the release build (GM) and fix potential bugs that arise during that process.
Normally developers are given more time to do this, usually around 10 days, and it helps to get most apps ready for iOS 14.
I'm a software developer. If I released code that had only been tested on a beta operating system, I'd be tarred, feathered, then fired.
Most people in this thread have no idea what they're talking about.
I keep seeing this person post, and I won’t bash anyone really, but I’m starting to think this person doesn’t really understand a lot and likes commenting to say they commented, even if they have no idea what is really going on.
having said that, you are right. To submit the final version of an app it needs to be with the final Xcode build that will be released to the public. Same with iOS. I think one thing that helps a little bit here (but not much mind you) is that the build for Beta 8 is identical to the build for the GM so theoretically nothing should have actually changed behind the scenes. Could it have changed? Of course, but the odds are slim. So if developers tested their app on Beta 8, then hopefully they won’t have to test like crazy in GM to ensure functionality. Of course, they could also submit and publish a few days after today if they are concerned.
I get the frustration, though, since developers are used to one way happening and this time something different happened so I can’t blame them for their frustration.
For some it might be easy, just download the new Xcode and hit Archive & Build and that's it. For other it might not be, for example, what if your app crashes as launch, but it didn't when you compiled with the earlier Xcode, you didn't change anything so now you'll have to spend time to try to understand what is happening.
But the fact that people complain instead of updating their apps is not a good approach.
I perfectly understand what you’ve just wrote but it still amazes me why FR24 could do it but other devs can’t?
As Tim loves to say, "Only Apple could do this!" Such 'consideration' is always expected of Apple. No surprises there. Apple can do anything and get away with it, since there will always be enough developers for the platform no matter how many leave, and there will always be enough buyers, no matter how many don't.
What is more concerning and disconcerting is this trend in these fora where anytime someone anywhere in the world raises the tiniest voice of dissent or dismay or disbelief or disagreement where Apple is concerned, several members here feel the need to snub, mock, and disparage those voices. It is saddening.
If those developers were not being inconvenienced with this date, they would never have spoken about it. Clearly, they were caught off-guard here and something must be wrong for them, that they are raising their voices at Apple for doing this. What's there to belittle and mock the developers for it? They are our fellows, working to bring us apps that bring us joy, make our lives easier, more convenient, apps that we use for free or pay a pittance for (as compared to cost of software just a decade ago). The least we can do is be respectful towards that 'community'.
Also, practically, 24 hours to submit? What if I had an emergency? What if I could't for a week? Large teams can do this better, but individual or small teams of 2-3-5 may be struggling still to test out their app fully with the GM seed and release their app(s). These are unprecedented times, allowance ought to have been provided by a company like Apple, but they are Apple, which is precisely why it is both surprising and expected of them. Developers are being expected to release apps out in the public, and risk angry reviews when customers use the app and find issues the developers would have found with proper testing had they been given time as usual.
What is more concerning and disconcerting is this trend in these fora where anytime someone anywhere in the world raises the tiniest voice of dissent or dismay or disbelief or disagreement where Apple is concerned, several members here feel the need to snub, mock, and disparage those voices. It is saddening.
If those developers were not being inconvenienced with this date, they would never have spoken about it. Clearly, they were caught off-guard here and something must be wrong for them, that they are raising their voices at Apple for doing this. What's there to belittle and mock the developers for it? They are our fellows, working to bring us apps that bring us joy, make our lives easier, more convenient, apps that we use for free or pay a pittance for (as compared to cost of software just a decade ago). The least we can do is be respectful towards that 'community'.
Also, practically, 24 hours to submit? What if I had an emergency? What if I could't for a week? Large teams can do this better, but individual or small teams of 2-3-5 may be struggling still to test out their app fully with the GM seed and release their app(s). These are unprecedented times, allowance ought to have been provided by a company like Apple, but they are Apple, which is precisely why it is both surprising and expected of them. Developers are being expected to release apps out in the public, and risk angry reviews when customers use the app and find issues the developers would have found with proper testing had they been given time as usual.
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They need to test their app on the final build so they only had less than 24 hours
Reading all your comments makes me think this may be the first iOS that I don't install on release date, probably going to wait a week or so.......
Who am I kidding? I'll install it and just deal with the bugs until everyone gets updated. LOL
A lot of developers would probably be OK with at least an apology. It sounds like Apple wasn’t 100% certain they would release it and maybe that’s what happened. I think an explanation and apology would help a lot! Developers are the backbone of all of this - without them there would be no apps to add to the App Store making these phones much less useful than they are now!
So, you guys keep naming 1 app out of over 1 million that were able to submit their app and get it through Apple's review process in under 24 hours? Good for you
Just to be clear to everyone thinking all those months account for proper testing:
Yes, it sometimes does. But generally everything is a work in progress until the GM version is rolled out. Until the GM version is rolled out, EVERYTHING is subject to change / deletion.
Yes, it sometimes does. But generally everything is a work in progress until the GM version is rolled out. Until the GM version is rolled out, EVERYTHING is subject to change / deletion.
Fully understand the developers position on this, that said I question what is a good amount to fully test and release iOS14 software - a day certainly isn't enough - but was the week? I am sure Apple, facing extreme shortages on two of its more popular product lines, had to decide that it was best for them to release the new hardware to make sales v. delay the same further. And since the new hardware requires new software - here we are.
I am not saying it was the right move, but we need to remember that Apple is a for profit company and, from their perspective, they need to make hardware to make money to continue existing to ensure there is even an app store for developers to submit to. That said, a week longer was unlikely to break the bank - so I am sure there could have been more consideration given to the developer community.
All that said, it would have been more reasonable for Apple to at least release the new software on Friday - giving developers 3 days with the GM.
I am not saying it was the right move, but we need to remember that Apple is a for profit company and, from their perspective, they need to make hardware to make money to continue existing to ensure there is even an app store for developers to submit to. That said, a week longer was unlikely to break the bank - so I am sure there could have been more consideration given to the developer community.
All that said, it would have been more reasonable for Apple to at least release the new software on Friday - giving developers 3 days with the GM.
Well they were fortunate to not have their app break on the final build. It doesn’t always work that way, some developers run into issues the final build and have to scramble to fix it before release.
You would have to convince me that it is not some sort of AI commenting bot designed to appeal to the masses for maximum likes.
Where does it say most users will be updating on day one? Do you have a link to that assertion?
Haven't they had the betas for months? I realize there are changes, but very minor.