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Development of the iPod nano

maya said:
Major factors that Apple is going with USB 2.0 is:

1. USB 2.0 is backwards compatible and can work with Mac and PC, no need to have 2 products one with FireWire and the other USB 2.0.

2. Apple is moving to Intel based chips, thus getting an insane licensing deal on the use of USB 2.0. Cheaper too.

3. More USB 2.0 Consumer products on the market today than FireWire.

4. You can achieve the same results with USB 2.0 when compared to FireWire, with the exception of booting.

There you have it. :)
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The problem is, as it has already been said, that many of us don't have USB 2.0. Personally, I bought the last Powerbook and iMac models that didn’t have USB 2.0, and they are in plenty good shape to last me until the whole Intel switch thing is worked out. I have G5s at work, but would use the Nano at home, of course, where I don't have USB 2.0. USB 2.0 is backwards compatible, but you can not charge your Nano with USB 1.1, so you would have to connect Firewire to charge the Nano, and USB 1.1 to sync it. Tell me that is not two steps back!!
 
AidenShaw said:
Genius?

The Nano breaks no new ground - it does less than its predecessors (in general), has less memory (than most), and costs more than some

It's smaller than Ipods with more memory, and larger than iPods with less.

The major advance seems to be the end of white plastic (although Apple still needs to get rid of the white plastic ear buds).

And even the sacred Apple UI seems to be violating a number of patents and prior art....

It's a cute new Ipod - but "genius", "revolutionary" and similar superlatives are a stretch.
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I wonder how many new Ipod owners the Nano is going to get. Most of the people here seem to have picked up Nanos as their 4th (or 4th and 5th) Ipod....
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i was waiting to see your stupid post , as usual/

I have yet to find an Apple hater as big as u are!
 
sishaw said:
The Bible was originally written in English, with English letters? That would have been quite a trick.
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You know, I knew some smartarse was going to say that. I meant the first printed English bible - produced in the 16th century
 
mn_hawk said:
I was just at the local Apple Store today, and admit to being impressed with the Nano. I have a shuffle now as my need to carry around music is almost nil. I'm still amazed at how many of these things have sold worldwide. Shows how little I can read the "needs" of the public. However, I have to echo the sentiment of the posters concerning Apple's "apparent" lack of interest in their computer division. If Steve and co. spent half as much time hawking and preening over the Mac and OS X, we'd have much better hardware to work with. And don't get started on the whole "we need better processors" garbage . . . I have a mini that's more than fast enough for every day use, but was it absolutely necessary to make it SO small that I'm stuck with one RAM slot, a crippled hard drive and a lousy graphics card? My other choice was a monster G5 tower as I already own a monitor. That 5% glass ceiling is going to STAY there until somebody at Apple remembers that the word "computer" is in the company name.
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the point about minimizing the mini to such a degree that we cant even add two chips of ram is right on!!!! i love apple and used them all my life but they really make us bleed. they dont love us but i sure do love their products....even though they make us pay and pay for giving us as little as they possibly can.
 
USB 1.1 has power

rwmoore said:
USB 2.0 is backwards compatible, but you can not charge your Nano with USB 1.1, so you would have to connect Firewire to charge the Nano, and USB 1.1 to sync it. Tell me that is not two steps back!!
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Where did you get the idea that you can't charge with USB 1.1?

USB 1.1 and 2.0 have exactly the same DC power capabilities - 100 ma @ 5v for an "unpowered" hub, and 500 ma @ 5v for a normal hub or system port.

You wouldn't want to try to charge if from the unpowered hub port on the Mac keyboard, but plugged into any system USB port it will be fine.

http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/specs.html says that both USB 1.1 and 2.0 are supported...
 
AidenShaw said:
Where did you get the idea that you can't charge with USB 1.1?

USB 1.1 and 2.0 have exactly the same DC power capabilities - 100 ma @ 5v for an "unpowered" hub, and 500 ma @ 5v for a normal hub or system port.

You wouldn't want to try to charge if from the unpowered hub port on the Mac keyboard, but plugged into any system USB port it will be fine.

http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/specs.html says that both USB 1.1 and 2.0 are supported...
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apple hater :D

seriously, WHY?
arent PC boards as fun as macrumors?


or do you just like to project your opposing "superior" opinion on others cause it FEEELS GOOOD?
 
Lacero said:
deadhorse.gif
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Thanks Lacero!

I needed a good laugh this morning, and figuring out that your 'toon meant "beating a dead horse" cracked me up.
 
I'm sorry, my anger was really just sparked by:

Originally posted by JFreak:
apple isn't going to abandon firewire, but it seems that from now on firewire is for us professionals and you regular people have chosen usb instead.
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This seems to be saying professionals do not use USB 2.0, which is ridiculous.

I shouldn’t have vented on all Apple owners. I just like to be agnostic in my computing needs, and find platform evangelism pointless. I mention platform evangelism because Firewire seems to spark partialities due to Apple's role in its development. I’ve known several people who prefer Firewire only because it is more “Mac-centric.” Although, I completely understand one's preference if your computer only has Firewire and no USB 2.0 ports.
 
Jon the Heretic said:
...No colors, no FW and 50% less capacity. Those are far more important to me than a color screen...this is a music player (and with 50% less capacity, I am not sticking photos on it..and heck the screen is as small as that on my digital camera!)

I don't have USB 2.0--the lack of FW is a BIG deal to me. SO I am not getting a nano. No more slots free for USB 2.0. Maybe it would be different if Apple owned the intellectual property for Firewire and could leverage it however they wanted it...oh wait...! oK, I don't get that part. Anyway, the smaller capacity bugs me even more ---50% less at the same price point as the 6Gb mini.
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Well, only 33% less, actually. But your point is still well taken...
 
I picked one up this weekend and after using it for a few days, I think they did an amazing job with the design. I've owned every iPod since the 3G, and this is definitely at the top of my list. You can't imagine how striking the size is until you see it and you hold it, and you can't realize much better it is on the day to day until you get it and try it. I initially got it for my wife, but she is going to keep her mini and I'm going to relegate my 30GB photo just for the car. There is NO better iPod for day to day use!
 
AidenShaw said:
Genius?

The Nano breaks no new ground - it does less than its predecessors (in general), has less memory (than most), and costs more than some

It's smaller than Ipods with more memory, and larger than iPods with less.

The major advance seems to be the end of white plastic (although Apple still needs to get rid of the white plastic ear buds).

And even the sacred Apple UI seems to be violating a number of patents and prior art....

It's a cute new Ipod - but "genius", "revolutionary" and similar superlatives are a stretch.
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I wonder how many new Ipod owners the Nano is going to get. Most of the people here seem to have picked up Nanos as their 4th (or 4th and 5th) Ipod....
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Just having bought one, and showed it around at work today. This is the first iPod that seems to have the attention of most that yawned at the Shuffle and the iPod mini. Everyone is saying wow!

We can argue features till the cows come home. It will be the size/weight and quality of build that sells this thing this Holiday season. Nothing I have seen from others gives the user the experience that iTunes and the Nano can give.
 
y'all need to refer to usb 2 high speed, not just usb 2... ;)

that being said, usb is prolly cheaper with a smaller chip and lower power requirements... :cool:
 
CiBoys said:
i heard they are going to update the software so is syncable using the firewire.
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What someone needs to do is find those pictures of the dissected Nano and search all over the circuit board for some sort of a FW controller chip. If its not there, then no firmware update is going to help.
 
Myself, if I didn't have USB2, I wouldn't consider one. The 2GB one will take several hours to load if my old USB Digital Wallet is any indicator. Took an hour and a half to offload 1.2 GB of photos.
The biggest reason I got an iPod instead of an Archos was FireWire.

That being said, I played with one today - it's almost the same size as the remote for my car stereo. I'll be getting one in the next two weeks. "Amazingly small" is the first thing I thought. Next thing I noticed was the new clik wheel - much more responsive than the Synaptics one. Very fine piece of work.

BTW, don't be bashing Aiden - I find him a welcome voice of reason here, and more often than not, I learn something from his posts.

Z
 
50thVert said:
What someone needs to do is find those pictures of the dissected Nano and search all over the circuit board for some sort of a FW controller chip. If its not there, then no firmware update is going to help.
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You mean like the ones I already posted earlier? :p :cool:

Link
 
anyone seen the commercial?


pretty much just some hands flipping the ipod over and such witha black background. i don't know what song was playing.
 
Surreal said:
anyone seen the commercial?


pretty much just some hands flipping the ipod over and such witha black background. i don't know what song was playing.
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Yeah, saw the commercial during ABC's NFL game last thursday. And the song is "Gimme That" from The Resource. It actually is the playing on the nano in the commercial.
 
circuits

Although my knowledge in electrical engineering is limited, from what I can see there is FW circuits on there, for the simple reason that they would be related to the power source as well to charge the device and that is a USB controller. The other chips are audio/video/IO etc.... There is no firewire in there, also to my understanding a firewire controller is pretty big almost the size of the flash maybe a lil more..

My big question is, can us do it yourselfers upgrade this bad boy with more memory in the future, or is programmed to only handle what it has in the current state. It appears as if the whole flash memory module can be interchanged with a new one, obviously if the flash goes bad and it has to be sent in... I wonder
 
ryanyogan said:
Although my knowledge in electrical engineering is limited, from what I can see there is FW circuits on there, for the simple reason that they would be related to the power source as well to charge the device and that is a USB controller. The other chips are audio/video/IO etc.... There is no firewire in there, also to my understanding a firewire controller is pretty big almost the size of the flash maybe a lil more..

My big question is, can us do it yourselfers upgrade this bad boy with more memory in the future, or is programmed to only handle what it has in the current state. It appears as if the whole flash memory module can be interchanged with a new one, obviously if the flash goes bad and it has to be sent in... I wonder
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Ppl have already shown that you can charge the Nano via FW so that assumption is correct.

I was wondering the same thing too....on the 2GB the chips are soldered right on, but on the 4GB, they are on a separate daughter card, which makes me wonder if you could put two 4GB memory chips on there and make it an 8GB? or put the 4GB daughterboard and solder on the two 1GB chips to make a 6GB?
 
50thVert said:
Yes! those!

Now, SOMEONE who has knowledge of circuitry, dig through those and try to find a FW controller chip!

$5 to the first one who finds it! ;)
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I'm an Electronics Systems Engineer, however must admit I've never seen a FW controller/chip myself, so I'm not of much use in this case. :eek:
 
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