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Did Apple give any indication hardware issues from 2016 MBPs have been fixed?
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I'm going to go out on a limb here declare the quality control issues are attributed to the manufacturing location. All the bigwigs are in Cupertino California, but all the manufacturing defects are occurring in China. If those bigwigs could simply walk across the street to check on production, those defects would be nil.
Do you have some sort of device near your MBP that could be causing interference? Or does your desk have some type of magnet in it for one of various purposes? I ask because I've not seen any MBPs come in with that issue, so it may not be very common (making it harder to determine the root cause.)
Nothing on the desk besides a lamp, MBP, charger, and monitor. As of now that's the only issue I still have and I can easily get over it. Very happy the keyboard hasn't had any issues under stress (yet). Maybe it's the placebo effect but the keys feel tighter and more firm if that makes any sense.
Nope, my experience was with two 2016 refurb MacBooks that looked like new, but were total nut cases considering QC.
I did notice the keyboard is actually different they did add some options to the option and control key so I'm wondering if they actually did fix the keys sticking issue. I'll head into the store and run the terminal command to spin up all cores to 75% full load and bench it to see but so far from everyone's feedback it looks to be fixed!
Well, Apple has been producing in China for many years, and most of their products in the past seemed to have better quality control than the 2016 Macbook Pro imho. Flight tickets certainly weren't cheaper back then and those bigwigs probably didn't visit the manufacturing site more often than now for the same reason.
That's why I believe the distance doesn't explain the recent drop in QC. I suspect that a lot of the issues like the clicky keys are actually product design failures that weren't detected during prototyping.
I dd not make any point, I did not state that there are only few people with issue, I just said, and if you read carefully you can see what I was saying, that you cannot claim the product (any product) is faulty just because of few complaints on forums.
Considering that the one with issue are usually the more vocal ones (and this site is a proof of that) it is a safe bet to say that even thought there are some units with issue (and again that can be said about ANY product), there's nothing that makes you think that A the issue is huge, and B that it is not as spread as some might make it look like.
Apple like many western company require China factory reduced the price, and they also seek cheaper replacement for cost saving, for example, Apple use BCM Wifi chip, and the chip will packed with radio module to form Wifi IC:
2015 MB12 use module IC manufactured by Japanese Murata
2016 MB12 by cheap Taiwanese Universal Scientific Industrial with a lot of quality issue.
Also the 2016 MB12 USB-C mux also replaced from America to Taiwanese for cost saving.
Also the Notebook marketing declined and Intel poor sales, Intel make the CPU not stable that before, their CPU but actually their process (14nm) is hard to improved, so they start tweak the chip lower voltage, reduced the safety gap and promote the chip more power efficiency that before but they don't tell you really true is they also reduced the stable and eliminated the "FIVR" used in Haswell and Broadwell back to old system by all voltage changed by motherboard (reliability reduced because motherboard much complex that becobut CPU cost reduced ) for cost save.
Those affect the MacBook reliability become drop.
However, other NB factory like Dell and Lenovo also reduced their quality much more that Apple,
(mean that Apple quality reduce but other reduced just more)
such as the XPS coli whine sound is actually by use the poor or/and reduced components.
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I did read your post, which is why I replied to it. And you ARE making a point... I bolded it above. You also made a point of stating the other poster "lost credibility", how so? Your point implies that the only people with problems are "the few" posting in the forum. How do you define "a few"? What about all of those that have had issues that don't even post in a forum? A product absolutely can be faulty based on complaints in a forum.
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A product COULD be faulty, but the amount of people in a forum is hardly enough to prove much conclusively.
Forums attract people with issues and fewer happier users. So reading a forum gives a HIGHLY skewed view of a product. They also attract trolls, haters and people with agendas of various types. We have several people here who continuously take time to attack Mac products and they don't even own them.
I read about problems here, but don't find them on my new new MBP units or with anyone I know, which includes professionals and a buyer at Board of Ed who has purchased hundreds of the new MBP for teachers in NYC.
Are there issues? Absolutely. Every product has issues. But don't expect to make balanced conclusions based on a Internet forum.
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Absolutely. For a long time, forums are where problems with the MBP-15/17 2011 dGPU were first reported, and many other Posters initially blamed the issue on the individual rather than Apple.
With that said, while some 2016 models are indeed having keyboard issues, relative to the total amount sold, these issues do not appear to be widespread. Further, it appears Apple has further refined the keyboard design - not necessarily because the original was bad, but because they could further improve upon their initial conception.
Yes he is referring to the noise on the release. That is what everyone is talking about when it comes to the keyboard issues with these notebooks. It is not software related it is strictly hardware.
A little disappointed the iFixit Teardown didn't even look at the keyboard to see if there was any change... https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Touch+Bar+2017+Teardown/92171
They did actually mention the keyboard changes. http://ifixit.org/blog/9185/2017-apple-laptop/ That lists the overview right from iFixit.
Everything said there originates from the rMB teardown though (seems to talking about gen 1 to gen 2 keyboard), so I'm not sure if they just copy pasted it into an overview for "both".
Yup, it's 1st gen to 2nd gen - they clearly say "it was changed to accomodate the new switch form factor".
Two things: first, even though there are some reports of Apple Store people claiming that Apple started reinforcing or changing the switches, I don't really think that's true, to be honest. Second - I don't think issues are widespread. Please, if you have keyboard issues, I really feel for you and you have every right to be dissatisfied, but I have to say that, other than hearsay, we still have no evidence that this keyboard is failing at a substantial rate. There is a lot of people without any issues out there. I know this may piss off some users here, and again, I understand them, but I don't think people should really be scared to go out and buy a 2017 MBP. Most likely they will get a great keyboard, and a very small percentage may have issues - and will end up here to talk about it.
Just my opinion, please don't get pissed if you disagree.
iFixit just did a teardown of the 2017 MacBook Pro, and this is what they said regarding the keyboard:
"The keyboard trigger looks like a more classic switch this go-around. The plastic butterfly mechanism appears to have thinned out to accommodate the new switch form factor. The keystroke and travel feel about the same to us, so perhaps the real change is reinforcement for repeated use."
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They did. See my previous post.
"The keyboard trigger looks like a more classic switch this go-around. The plastic butterfly mechanism appears to have thinned out to accommodate the new switch form factor. The keystroke and travel feel about the same to us, so perhaps the real change is reinforcement for repeated use."
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They did. See my previous post.