Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
You are incorrect, because I noticed it immediately, before even knowing it weighed more. And after using it for a week, then picking up my 15 Pro, it was immediately very noticeably lighter.

Then after the second week, when picking my 15 Pro up again to prepare for trade-in, I just couldn’t get over how much lighter it was.

I use my phones with no case or any protectors, so there is nothing to influence the feeling either way.

It’s an absurdly silly argument to say “no one can feel the difference” 🙄 I’m not sure why you guys are so stuck on that. It’s not that big of a deal that it’s noticeably heavier. The 14 Pro was also noticeably heavier than the 13 Pro. Did that one also bother you when people pointed it out? Why are you so invested in denying the weight difference?
This post strongly suggests you skimmed my post and only inferred whatever message you presumed I was going to say. Reread the first twelve words and the last word of my post, and it should become clearer to you my actual message.
 
stop blaming a demanding customer for Apples faults. Apple just lacks proper QC because they want to sell more for cheaper.

@thatJohann Thanks for posting your Oled Journey. I'm a graphic designer and I can't imagine having a product with a tinted display. My only question is why all the so called yt reviewers didn't mention that at all. I walked to my nearest Apple to try new 16s pro and max (i still have hard time deciding between those two) and out of 6 iphones pro only one max had a very nice display and all other 5 had a massive blue tint. Actually I was 100% sure after watching the first 5 bluestinted ones that all are the same and you are jsut joking with that correct ones until I saw the 6th the perfect or at least very good one. Like comparing to all the other it was jsut a completely different product, like night and day.​
Then why no major site mention this problem? If it was so common, we definitively see it in multiple major websites. Returning a phone for a defect screen is one thing, but returning a phone multiple times because you're not satisfied with the screen and then, buying a regular 16 with a "perfect screen" and then, again, re-buy another pro is just abusing. At this point, just pass on and stay with your current phone. You're not forced to have the most latest and greatest phone you know. Yes Apple is a multi-billion company, but they definitively charge us to cover abusing exchange like this. It's part of the whole pricing in the same way we pay Coca-Cola way too much because they sponsor major events.

Do the same thing on Amazon and your account will be blocked in no time.
 
  • Like
Reactions: smoking monkey
No. Brought the 15PM last year for the 5X Zoom but was never really happy with the size of the thing, so as soon as they announced the 5X on the smaller Pro it was a done deal. Much happier with the size which is more manageable for me, and also changed the colour from Natural Titanium to Black to freshen things up further. Very happy.
 
Then why no major site mention this problem?
Because they are mostly just ads sites and not review portals. Like 99% of all the reviews are just a creative rewriting of Apples ads. They got stuff from Apple, they are polite.
but returning a phone multiple times because you're not satisfied with the screen and then
I saw new iphones at my nearest appel store by myself and ok maybe if i would have seen only bluetined ones I would been ok with that but after seeing a good one with nice white balance and no weird blue tint after just slightly tilting the device I consider the blue ones just faulty and I think it should end up with a mass return.
buying a regular 16 with a "perfect screen" and then, again, re-buy another pro is just abusing.
What's wrong with that? If you can't find a product you are satisfied with, you go for a replacement and when you eventually find a perfect device without faults you switch over. Seems legit to me. I think you've ate too much of Apple zero carbon slogans.
At this point, just pass on and stay with your current phone.
Why? He should stay with lower tier phone just because Apple can't deliver a pro model without a faulty display?
You're not forced to have the most latest and greatest phone you know.
I don't know. Why? I thought you are earning your money and you spend it on products you like and you love to use. And you have full right to get a perfect device without a faulty screen or touch problems or stains on the body. Look at this forum, it is clear too me that Apple uses pre-orders just as some kind of beta tests of quality at their factories and the only problem I have here is that they ask the full price for that.
Yes Apple is a multi-billion company, but they definitively charge us to cover abusing exchange like this.
No. they push a faulty product bc they know 99% will be blind to those faults assuming Apple is so amazing and always had high quality products. The truth is, they deliver with each year lower quality products, in terms of quality control bc overall the design is still high. it is nice that you care more about a mulit-billion company than a simple customer, are you an Apple employee?
It's part of the whole pricing in the same way we pay Coca-Cola way too much because they sponsor major events.
YEah and same as pushing on the market 95% of devices instead of only 75% bc you have decided that most people will not notice faulty screens. Please understand that all 6 phones which were bought by that guy should been never put on the market in the first place. Apple is not losing any money here, it is only customers with faulty screens losing their money on a faulty products. They cut losses by deciding that instead of repairing all faulty screen before a release, they will repair only for those who notice the fault and return the product.
I would even say Apple should pay this guy some extra for much better quality control than their inspectors at the factories.
Do the same thing on Amazon and your account will be blocked in no time.
If I buy a book 6 times and 6 times it will be delivered with torn pages, you think they will block my account? Ok...I'm fine with that, still I don't think I have to pay for a destroyed book or a faulty iphone and if they block my account I can always switch a bookstore.

Oh and on the whole eco argument. Maybe instead of talking all the time about the zero carbon emission, Apple would start to just control much better their products before releasing them to the public?
 
Last edited:
I find it comical that my S23+, S24+, and Pixel 9 Pro XL all had / have perfectly white, uniform, minimal shift displays. I hadn't needed to return any of these, they are perfect on the 1st try. My 2nd 16PM has blue shift (fine with me) and the bottom half of the display is a different shade of white (meh). Apple just doesn't care. They have more cash on hand than several countries' GDP. They can't QC their screen on my $1400 16PM? They can, they choose not to, and I don't feel bad when people return their phones because of it.
 
I did. I setup my 16PM exactly how my 15PM was and when I added a case, I could not notice the screen difference. The camera control really isn't a "oh wow" feature and isn't worth $1300. The 16PM feels heavier as well.
Is this a USA thing? Here in the UK we buy stuff and that's that. Seems to be a system going on where people buy then return. Seems crazy to me. Anyway I bought a 16 Pro coming from an 11. I bought a slim case for it to keep the buttons free. Good phone. Should last me years.
 
Haha, yep, exactly. Just like how the 15 Pro was 19 grams lighter than the 14 Pro, and everyone raved about that difference. But don’t tell that to anyone in this thread 😂
What if I told you that I put both a 15 and a 16 on a food scale and the difference is even less than advertised and less than one macadamia nut.
 
I must be the luckiest person on earth. I upgrade my iPhone every two years and never had a single issue with any phone I’ve had. Lucky me..
I wouldn't say I've never had an issue, but no major issues, and I've never returned an iPhone. Ever.

4, 6, SE, XS somewhere in there, 12 mini, 14pro, 16 pro max
 
stop blaming a demanding customer for Apples faults. Apple just lacks proper QC because they want to sell more for cheaper.

@thatJohann Thanks for posting your Oled Journey. I'm a graphic designer and I can't imagine having a product with a tinted display. My only question is why all the so called yt reviewers didn't mention that at all. I walked to my nearest Apple to try new 16s pro and max (i still have hard time deciding between those two) and out of 6 iphones pro only one max had a very nice display and all other 5 had a massive blue tint. Actually I was 100% sure after watching the first 5 bluestinted ones that all are the same and you are jsut joking with that correct ones until I saw the 6th the perfect or at least very good one. Like comparing to all the other it was jsut a completely different product, like night and day.​
Thx for sharing, validates what I was saying. Maybe YouTube reviewers were sent review units perhaps hand picked to have displays from Samsung, who I think are producing the properly calibrated displays. Just a theory. Others I'm sure don't mind the blue tint. But yea, I'm glad I got a good one finally, there's no need to settle and I won't.
 
This post strongly suggests you skimmed my post and only inferred whatever message you presumed I was going to say. Reread the first twelve words and the last word of my post, and it should become clearer to you my actual message.

While I’m sure some people notice the weight difference between the iPhones

no one can feel the difference between 187 and 199 milligrams.

Okay. You’re not even making sense 😂
 
  • Love
Reactions: whattodo11
What if I told you that I put both a 15 and a 16 on a food scale and the difference is even less than advertised and less than one macadamia nut.
I would not care one bit. The 15 Pro was noticeably lighter than the 16 Pro. There’s literally nothing to argue. You’re being ridiculous for no reason other than wanting to argue.
 
  • Like
Reactions: whattodo11
Okay. You’re not even making sense 😂
I was trying to avoid repeating myself and even worse spelling out for you what I thought was obvious, but here goes:

My post was not arguing whether or not you could tell the difference--which I thought should have been obvious from the first 12 words: "While I’m sure some people notice the weight difference between the iPhones". That statement is agreeing with you. My post went on to point out that the argument you chose to use as to why you (or anyone) should be able to notice the difference--ie. scaling up the difference from grams to lbs--was an illogical one. By scaling up the difference, of course it will be more noticeable. 6% of 1000 is much more noticeable than 6% of 10. So it's completely illogical to say that since one can notice 6% of 1000, one should also be able to notice 6% of 10. No they shouldn't, because scale matters. In my last post, I said to reread the last word of my original post, not the last sentence. The last word was "milligram", which you keep reading as "gram". A milligram is 1/1000 of a gram. If you still can't help but read it as gram, then I'll rephrase: "No one can feel the difference between 0.187 and 0.199 grams." Because scale matters.

That's twice in a row you carelessly misread my posts and accused me wrongly. Please read closer in the future to avoid these unnecessary exchanges.
 
I find it comical that my S23+, S24+, and Pixel 9 Pro XL all had / have perfectly white, uniform, minimal shift displays. I hadn't needed to return any of these, they are perfect on the 1st try. My 2nd 16PM has blue shift (fine with me) and the bottom half of the display is a different shade of white (meh). Apple just doesn't care. They have more cash on hand than several countries' GDP. They can't QC their screen on my $1400 16PM? They can, they choose not to, and I don't feel bad when people return their phones because of it.
LOL! You did all this despite having so many phones? Why do you desperately needed an iPhone 16 Pro if you already have not only a S24 ultra, but a one month old phone (Pixel 9). You really seems to have an obsession with smartphones.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3Rock
You are incorrect, because I noticed it immediately, before even knowing it weighed more. And after using it for a week, then picking up my 15 Pro, it was immediately very noticeably lighter.

Then after the second week, when picking my 15 Pro up again to prepare for trade-in, I just couldn’t get over how much lighter it was.

I use my phones with no case or any protectors, so there is nothing to influence the feeling either way.

It’s an absurdly silly argument to say “no one can feel the difference” 🙄 I’m not sure why you guys are so stuck on that. It’s not that big of a deal that it’s noticeably heavier. The 14 Pro was also noticeably heavier than the 13 Pro. Did that one also bother you when people pointed it out? Why are you so invested in denying the weight difference?
This is the way my friend. Anyone who says you cant feel the difference is ignorantl. After using that brick for a week going back to many 15PM it was noticeably lighter and easier to Use.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DDustiNN
LOL! You did all this despite having so many phones? Why do you desperately needed an iPhone 16 Pro if you already have not only a S24 ultra, but a one month old phone (Pixel 9). You really seems to have an obsession with smartphones.
Had the S23+ a couple years ago. Sold that and got S24+ whenever that launched earlier this year. Traded in S24+ for Pixel 9. Wanted to try using iOS again, hence 16PM.

I enjoy tech. I don’t drink, gamble, other shenanigans and could have far worse hobbies.
 
I find it comical that my S23+, S24+, and Pixel 9 Pro XL all had / have perfectly white, uniform, minimal shift displays. I hadn't needed to return any of these, they are perfect on the 1st try. My 2nd 16PM has blue shift (fine with me) and the bottom half of the display is a different shade of white (meh). Apple just doesn't care. They have more cash on hand than several countries' GDP. They can't QC their screen on my $1400 16PM? They can, they choose not to, and I don't feel bad when people return their phones because of it.
s24 ultra has its own major issues with regards to grainy oled panels that resemble denim jeans. 🤣 and let’s not forgot about those green tints on previous Samsung devices either, my own personal one attached s22 ultra that I sent back major color shifting. Some is acceptable but not this bad
 

Attachments

  • IMG_4001.jpeg
    IMG_4001.jpeg
    154.8 KB · Views: 98
  • IMG_0089.jpeg
    IMG_0089.jpeg
    941.4 KB · Views: 101
  • Like
Reactions: Harthag
s24 ultra has its own major issues with regards to grainy oled panels that resemble denim jeans. 🤣 and let’s not forgot about those green tints on previous Samsung devices either, my own personal one attached s22 ultra that I sent back major color shifting. Some is acceptable but not this bad
I never had an Ultra, always the Plus so I wasn’t affected by those issues.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fred Zed
The amount of bootlicking in this thread is absurdly silly.

The weight increase is noticeable. Though the number is small, it is comparatively a significant percentage. Imagine your weight increased from 187 to 199 lbs. You think you wouldn’t notice? Come on, get real now 😂

The extra height is absolutely noticeable. I still have the 15 Pro and when standing them side by side, it is surprisingly significant.

Combined, that also slightly changes the center of gravity when resting on your pinky. All of that together makes it feel heavier.

You don’t need to come at me like I’m attacking your precious baby. I’ve been buying new iPhones almost every year since the 4 and will continue to do so because I like them. But that doesn’t mean facts don’t exist.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

I will admit that my sarcasm and calling you or people things does not help with the argument, you may be right in some things and not on others but why continue on minute details that even if you notice some of those details, 99% don’t?

I learned my lesson, let’s keep it civil next time👍🏻
 
  • Like
Reactions: DDustiNN
I didn't complain ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I got the Nothing Phone 2a. Its about the dimensions of the 16 Plus and has the same camera arrangement.

iOS is still more reliable than Android most of the time and has some great exclusive apps.

Android is no slouch though. It too has some great exclusives (shout out to Bundled Notes) and can do a few things iOS cannot (like Dreamcast emulation).

The Nothing Phone has a lovely monochrome skin over Android (which you can turn off if you like), battery to last 2 days and proper VRR, not a fixed 120hz. It charges quickly enough and the camera is excellent. I say this as a photographer as well.

Other people's mileage may vary but I do wonder sometimes why hte majority of the market, that is the general public and not the enthusiasts who post on internet forums like ourselves pay anything more than $399 for a phone at all. $799 really should be the price ceiling for everyone though. Bar the 5x camera there isn't one feature in a Pro iPhone that makes anybody's life better over the regular 16.

Apple (and by extension every other company that followed) have almost duped the market into believing anything cheaper than $799 must have something terrible wrong with it. This is why the iPhone SE lives inside an iPhone 6. Android phones are not the 'trash' some posters here would have you believe and the Samsung A55 and Pixel 8a sit nicely alongside the Nothing Phone 2 in offering exceptional value at an affordable price.

(Ah, but PRIVACY! they will cry. Just because you have Android doesn't mean you have to use any Google apps or services. Samsung offer a full suite of replacement apps that plug right into Microsoft as a backend. 3rd parties like Evernote, Notion and Dropbox never went anywhere either)

Apple continues to make excellent, reliable phones that make lots of people happy. I use their kit every day. But the world outside the walled garden isn't Fallout 4)
Hey man, sorry if I come too confrontational, just trying to discuss and learn too.

However you will have to pardon me, you have not made a single point on your original statement.

You alleged a 400$ phone running equal to the iPhone/top android phones and with better battery life. Sorry but it has worse battery life than the 2024 phones which it competes with, and even lost to some androids and iPhones of the 2023.

Also you cannot seriously compare the hardware between both as if they were the same… but the rest I give you it to you, but its personal preference mainly and I’m not knocking it, just like I don’t prefer dealing with android cause I don’t care for the benefits it has over iOS.

So, just to clarify the nothing phone is really a breath of fresh air, a great phone at a great price in a market of expensive phones and I am not saying iPhone is all and be all.

I agree there are androids out there on par, and although I am not the target demographic for the 2a, I acknowledge there are great androids out there.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fred Zed
This is pretty spot on

For years the Apple PR marketing team made people (mostly Americans) think anything below 800-1000 is a death trap but then companies like Google started giving people OLED, 120hz, two camera lens with flagship photos, for $400-450 and some people woke up.

It's not a scary place, it's just as good and in some cases better than iOS.

Don't be scared to try new things, Apple isn't this bastion of good and heroic privacy but just another trillion dollar company ripping us off.

I use both and as Gurman said, Apple AI is two years behind gemini for android.
I’m not American but I prefer iPhone over the rest. People will complain it’s boring, reused design or whatever, I like iPhones since are reliable devices and trust to be if not an improvement at least not worse than the previous model.

I buy it because I can afford it, and why not have the best even if inflated prices? I would be on the equivalent android if not (s24u or GP9 or other).

But taking your statement about sub 800$ phone trap. I guess Apple is so good that they brainwashed the competition, since now some Samsung and google models are over iPhone prices… (not counting foldables)

I agree with you though, iPhone is not all be all and people, specially those that can’t really afford the iPhone should try the other options.

There are great sub800 phones like the nothing phone 2a, example given by a commenter earlier.

BTW, companies don’t rip you off by buying their products, that’s on you, and normally subject to finances… you don’t say Ferrari rips of their customers when Porsche has cars with comparable specs for cheaper or in some cases better…
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fred Zed
The camera control really isn't a "oh wow" feature

That's also in the regular 16s and probably worth half the price, but I, personally, find it extremely confusing. I mean, Apple is not exactly known for providing two separate ways to do the same thing, and the touch thingy just feels wrong to me, but I'm not really a photographer, so I might not be the target audience here anyway.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.