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Think the word you’re looking for is he can be a flog most of the time.

If he does shave them, it’ll be a publicity stunt, most likely hoping it’ll get him more followers.
Not like he needs more followers or more publicly seeing as he’s in the media all the time
 
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Digitimes and Mac Okatara are very much alike. Fake sites they are

it’s appalling for digitimes to keep on posting (spamming rather) this about the iPad and it being revealed on March and now this news. They are a joke
They don’t get everything correct but do from time to time
 
They don’t get everything correct but do from time to time

but a lot of the time both sites put info like this it turns out not correct and secondly most of the info they release which is correct they put out they get from others like Ming chi kuo, other people etc etc because they have said it first
 
Taking hand written notes, doing assignments and reading papers in university, especially for STEM, require a big screen. Bigger the better. It’s either the IPP or Surface Book.
While these are valid use cases, and I personally know someone who bought an iPad for taking notes, I have to say that this is reserved for rich kids (which also applies to my case). iPad Pro 11 + Apple Pencil 2nd gen, even at educational pricing, would offset you $868 + tax. 12.9'' version is $200 more. That's a lot for taking notes. Most college students finish their program perfectly fine without it. Reading journal papers, in my experience, is not necessarily better than old-fashioned ways, including printing things out and reading them on a ("regular") computer, especially because you need to do a lot of search. And iPad Air, or even the base iPad, is good enough for a lot of these things, which again confirms "you do not need an iPad Pro unless ..."

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I haven’t pulled the trigger on a M1 Mac because I want to see what the new iPad Pro has to offer. I truly believe the iPad Pro is the future of the Mac. It can technically run both iOS and Mac software with touch and pencil support, which I think it eventually will.
The MacBook and regular iPads can stay as they are to please those that are devoted to those form factors, but Apple should run with the iPad Pro and give it all the capabilities to make it the perfect mobile computer, which I think it almost is.
Devotion to a device implies an irrational attachment. There is nothing irrational about choosing the right tool for the job, as each of these devices including the iPad Pro have different focuses. Even if your envisioned iPad Pro existed, it would come with its own set of strengths and weaknesses that would make it the best choice for some and not the best choice for others.

And I don’t understand why people believe the iPad Pro is becoming or starting to become an offshoot from the iPad line. Is there anything to support this or is it purely wishful thinking? All “pro” devices that Apple makes (Mac, MacBook, iPad, iPhone, airpods) are nothing more than fancier higher specced versions of the same product. How is the iPad Pro different? And all the Mac-like features that have been added to the iPad Pro that people cite as evidence that it’s becoming the “new Mac” have also been added to the other iPads as well (physical keyboard, external monitor support, multitasking, iPadOS name), and even to the iPhone (files app, mouse support). So again, what real facts point to the iPad Pro alone having this destiny?

Folks were using the 2018 iPad Pro to edit videos that the MacBooks couldn’t. Some were even using them to run their Youtube channels until the M1’s hit the market.
Which “high end 3D games” were you running on the previous MacBook Air?
The person you responded to was talking about iPad Pro vs iPad non-pro, not iPad Pro vs MacBook.

MacOS and iOS don’t look alike at all? Do you have vision issues? The lines between MacOS and iPad OS are thinner every year.
Yes, the line has gotten slightly thinner almost every year, but the line is still extremely thick. Surface level things like appearance and some features are prone to change, and it makes sense for a family of devices to become more and more similar on the surface. But the core identity of each device (ie. its focus) is extremely unlikely to merge (without some huge catalyst). If they were mergeable without significant compromise, a smart company wouldn’t have made two separate dedicated devices in the first place. Eg. the smartphone and iPod can be merged without significant compromise, which is why Apple already combined them when they made the iPhone. They didn’t make a dedicated smartphone without iPod functionality and then decide to slowly combine the iPhone and the iPod into one device with each new iteration. Because they’re smart, they did it in one fell swoop at the get go. But with the iPad, they knew they couldn’t combine it with the Mac without significant compromise. This is because macOS is more focused on robustness and versatility, while ipadOS is more focused on simplicity and ease of use. The two are opposite ends of a spectrum. That means they can borrow traits from each other here and there, but they cannot completely combine without compromising their respective basic goals.
 
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I haven’t pulled the trigger on a M1 Mac because I want to see what the new iPad Pro has to offer. I truly believe the iPad Pro is the future of the Mac. It can technically run both iOS and Mac software with touch and pencil support, which I think it eventually will.
The MacBook and regular iPads can stay as they are to please those that are devoted to those form factors, but Apple should run with the iPad Pro and give it all the capabilities to make it the perfect mobile computer, which I think it almost is.
Agreed about the iPad being the form factor of the moment, for me at least. The clamshell design no longer works for my lifestyle. Our small children pull, tug, bump, bang, scratch, and gauge the laptop. The iPad has a better chance of survival. Frankly, I'm surprised the laptop hasn't been replaced. I felt Apple was going somewhere with the Touch Bar and had hoped they would expand it. It's too bad they are returning to yesterday's keyboard and eliminating the Touch Bar.
 
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Devotion to a device implies an irrational attachment. There is nothing irrational about choosing the right tool for the job, as each of these devices including the iPad Pro have different focuses. Even if your envisioned iPad Pro existed, it would come with its own set of strengths and weaknesses that would make it the best choice for some and not the best choice for others.

And I don’t understand why people believe the iPad Pro is becoming or starting to become an offshoot from the iPad line. Is there anything to support this or is it purely wishful thinking? All “pro” devices that Apple makes (Mac, MacBook, iPad, iPhone, airpods) are nothing more than fancier higher specced versions of the same product. How is the iPad Pro different? And all the Mac-like features that have been added to the iPad Pro that people cite as evidence that it’s becoming the “new Mac” have also been added to the other iPads as well (physical keyboard, external monitor support, multitasking, iPadOS name), and even to the iPhone (files app, mouse support). So again, what real facts point to the iPad Pro alone having this destiny?


The person you responded to was talking about iPad Pro vs iPad non-pro, not iPad Pro vs MacBook.


Yes, the line has gotten slightly thinner almost every year, but the line is still extremely thick. Surface level things like appearance and some features are prone to change, and it makes sense for a family of devices to become more and more similar on the surface. But the core identity of each device (ie. its focus) is extremely unlikely to merge (without some huge catalyst). If they were mergeable without significant compromise, a smart company wouldn’t have made two separate dedicated devices in the first place. Eg. the smartphone and iPod can be merged without significant compromise, which is why Apple already combined them when they made the iPhone. They didn’t make a dedicated smartphone without iPod functionality and then decide to slowly combine the iPhone and the iPod into one device with each new iteration. Because they’re smart, they did it in one fell swoop at the get go. But with the iPad, they knew they couldn’t combine it with the Mac without significant compromise. This is because macOS is more focused on robustness and versatility, while ipadOS is more focused on simplicity and ease of use. The two are opposite ends of a spectrum. That means they can borrow traits from each other here and there, but they cannot completely combine without compromising their respective basic goals.
I said that it was unlikely they would merge, I was more pointing out that you can’t always trust what Apple execs say when it comes to technologies. I do think that some of the robustness that you speak of is slowly going to go away to a more iOS environment for the Mac.
 
I said that it was unlikely they would merge, I was more pointing out that you can’t always trust what Apple execs say when it comes to technologies. I do think that some of the robustness that you speak of is slowly going to go away to a more iOS environment for the Mac.

Why would Apple want to merge the iPad and laptop and lose out on billions of dollars. That makes no sense.
 
While these are valid use cases, and I personally know someone who bought an iPad for taking notes, I have to say that this is reserved for rich kids (which also applies to my case). iPad Pro 11 + Apple Pencil 2nd gen, even at educational pricing, would offset you $868 + tax. 12.9'' version is $200 more. That's a lot for taking notes. Most college students finish their program perfectly fine without it. Reading journal papers, in my experience, is not necessarily better than old-fashioned ways, including printing things out and reading them on a ("regular") computer, especially because you need to do a lot of search. And iPad Air, or even the base iPad, is good enough for a lot of these things, which again confirms "you do not need an iPad Pro unless ..."

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That is very small niche of people who use iPad pro for note taking.

The basic iPad $320 is well good enough for note taking, checking the news and email, web surfing, basic games, education software and productivity apps so on.

Unless you artist or do video editing it is waste of money.
 
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Microsoft has tried to pretend the tablet down with a FULL OS can serve people's work needs for years now, and the Surface tablet line is nowhere near making laptops obsolete in any way, and still has a lot of the impulse buy/toy factor, and I've owned several. The one useful model is the Surface Go, because it combines a somewhat slow, but small carrying burden that people can use to keep up with normal business while on the go. It has terrible touch interface and no real apps for it, so it will soldier on without the advantages of the iPad media consumption segment.

However, form factor is not usability or productivity. It is, at this point, gee-whiz and a 'sports car' for people who don't need to do even moderate hauling.

Apple has started shilling that same tablet-as-laptop dream as MS for YEARS as a MARKETING lure for a mature, replacement-not-huge-growth segment.

It is FAR MORE USEFUL for a Mac to be offered in the SurfaceBook format, with touch screen tech, but Apple will never do that because it would poach $$$$ from iPad and Mac lines.

THAT is why I consider even my first generation SurfaceBook the future, instead of a marketing ploy iPad-as-laptop 'future' daydream.
I think also the big problem is over 97% of the people who buy the Surface use it like a laptop and not a tablet. That is well not the case with the iPad as most people use it and carry it around like a tablet.

So if you always going to carry around the keyboard and set on desk and use like laptop than there are better laptops than MS Surface and MS Surface Go.
 
Why would Apple want to merge the iPad and laptop and lose out on billions of dollars. That makes no sense.
I said they were unlikely to merge twice now. And the laptop and iPad have already merged with the magic keyboard.
 
iPad Pro is not the future of the Mac.

Besides the fact that management has repeatedly stated the two serve different purposes and make no sense to combine, you still can't code on the iPad Pro and you still can't develop software, iOS apps or otherwise.

The way many programmers are able to streamline their creation is through a shortcut-heavy, full-sized, full-powered keyboard, and low-level access to the console and directory through the terminal, homebrew, git, installing things like python, node, etc. The iPad, a device geared towards consumers, doesn't allow low-level access, and you still can't turn off animations, freely navigate the file system, and crawl it via command line. It's just not built to be a device from which you develop, and no amount of touch control is going to enable that.
So what are you gonna do if Magic Keyboard Pro is released with M1 or M2 or M3 in the future and with eGPU support or high GPU built in that can run TopazLabs AI really fast and fan like in 16" MBP keyboard and coverts iPad Pros (not available to iPad Air)to big sur OS and great battery and all ports requested by many people. And 16" iPad Pro and another magic keyboard Pro. I'm not sure if iPad Pro is or not the future or if it will be above macbooks. Like iPhone introduction...an iPod, a phone and an internet communicator. iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard Pro can be an iPad, a Macbook Pro and a Mac...The keyboard alone can be like a mac mini.They can even make 27'' iPad Pro for professional artists and can be like a Mac with stand and keyboard. Also a magnetic Levo iPad holder floor stand will be a game changer esp when you want to use iPad Pro on bed or while in reclining chair esp when watching. Apple can make iPad Pros above Macbook Pros and price higher for maximum versatility. iPad Air and iPad Air Max can be just the current iPad Pro with limited capabilities.

Only the ignorant can afford to be certain. Apple has said many things they will NEVER do and yet they did. Even Steve Jobs said they will never make a phone. Even the big phones and OLED etc yet they did.
 
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Why would Apple want to merge the iPad and laptop and lose out on billions of dollars. That makes no sense.
Why would they have to merge anything? Why not keep both and give added functuniality to the iPad Pro?

There are people devoted to keeping the iPad as simple as possible, and also a vocally passionate cult devoted to keeping the Mac as pure and orthodox and touch free and devoid any evils that are not keyboard based. Which is great. But that doesn’t mean the iPad Pro cannot embrace the best of both worlds.
 
iPad Pro is not the future of the Mac.

Besides the fact that management has repeatedly stated the two serve different purposes and make no sense to combine, you still can't code on the iPad Pro and you still can't develop software, iOS apps or otherwise.

The way many programmers are able to streamline their creation is through a shortcut-heavy, full-sized, full-powered keyboard, and low-level access to the console and directory through the terminal, homebrew, git, installing things like python, node, etc. The iPad, a device geared towards consumers, doesn't allow low-level access, and you still can't turn off animations, freely navigate the file system, and crawl it via command line. It's just not built to be a device from which you develop, and no amount of touch control is going to enable that.
So what are you gonna do if Magic Keyboard Pro is released with M1 or M2 and eGPU support or high GPU built in and fan like MBP keyboard and coverts iPad to big sur OS and great battery and all ports requested by many people. And 16" iPad Pro and another magic keyboard Pro.
 
So what are you gonna do if Magic Keyboard Pro is released with M1 or M2 and eGPU support or high GPU built in and fan like MBP keyboard and coverts iPad to big sur OS and great battery and all ports requested by many people. And 16" iPad Pro and another magic keyboard Pro.

All kinds of ports on the iPad and lots of ports on the Mac computer will not be problem in 6 years from now. The first USB-C came out in 2015 or 2016 and yet the PC world is slow, yes very slow at changing over. So people yell and scream where is the USB type A ports.

The problem is Apple and PC world. Apple moves very fast well the PC world moves very slow.

The future is all USB type C and thunderbolt and may be new thunderbolt 4 standard for 8K when it comes out , but it is the PC world that is changing over very slow.

And it makes me mad when you walk into Best Buy or a computer store or shop online and 90% of the peripherals are using slower USB type A speeds and not even the faster USB type A speeds but the slower USB type A speeds.
 
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All ports on iPad and lots ports on Mac computer will not be problem in 6 years from now.

The first USB-C came out in 2015 or 2016 and yet the PC world is slow yes very slow at changing over. So people yell and scream where is the USB type A ports.

The problem is Apple and PC world. Apple moves very fast well the PC world moves very slow.

The future is all USB type C and thunderbolt and may be thunderbolt 4 standard for 8K when it comes out:p:p:p , but it is PC world that is changing over very slow.

And it makes me mad when you walk into Best Buy or a computer store or shop online and 90% of the peripherals are using slower USB type A speeds and not even the faster USB type A speeds but the slower USB type A speeds.
Why would they have to merge anything? Why not keep both and give added functuniality to the iPad Pro?

Apple said they will not merge any thing because they said the laptop and tablet combo does not work thus they are saying the Microsoft surface is not tablet and not laptop and the user is frustrated.

And also probably that people will buy both and more profit to Aaple.
 
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Never forget the possibility that Apple itself is putting out some false rumors, because they're rooting out some leakers. They won't go after the people who print up leaks. But the sources, if any of this is genuine, are getting big lawsuits.
 
I said that it was unlikely they would merge, I was more pointing out that you can’t always trust what Apple execs say when it comes to technologies. I do think that some of the robustness that you speak of is slowly going to go away to a more iOS environment for the Mac.
Sure, of course you have to take anything a company says with a grain of salt, plus anyone can change their mind. But on the other hand, I don’t remember hearing Apple ever saying anything so repeatedly and emphatically for so long. This keynote comes to mind:
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This will definitely be turned into a meme if Apple ever changes their mind.

Why do you say the Mac’s robustness is going away?
 
Why would they have to merge anything? Why not keep both and give added functuniality to the iPad Pro?

There are people devoted to keeping the iPad as simple as possible, and also a vocally passionate cult devoted to keeping the Mac as pure and orthodox and touch free and devoid any evils that are not keyboard based. Which is great. But that doesn’t mean the iPad Pro cannot embrace the best of both worlds.
Yes, there is a Mac cult, and an iPad cult, and an iPad Pro cult. And then there are rational people who understand that every device has trade offs and that one should pick the particular device best for one’s needs.
 
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Yes, there is a Mac cult, and an iPad cult, and an iPad Pro cult. And then there are rational people who understand that every device has trade offs and that one should pick the particular device best for one’s needs.

I just do not know what people want Apple to make they seem to want some dream pro laptop. Want is it people want Apple to make?

Are they looking for some dream pro laptop like this.

Need more than a single laptop screen? This one has seven​



Looking for Apple to make some pro laptop like this?
 
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